User talk:ElvisSinosic

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Regarding edits made to Elvis Sinosic

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Gogoplata

Hi Elvis. Do you have any sources verifying you were in fact the first to use the gogoplata in MMA-competition? All content on Wikipedia needs to be attributed to reliable sources for verifiability so unless there is one verifying the claim it'll be removed. Cheers and just ask if you have any questions, --aktsu ^(t / c) 03:05, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to make sure we're on the same page seeing you added a link to a video of the fight as a reference: the claim in question is that this is the first time the move was used in MMA, not that it was used by you in the fight. Cheers, --aktsu ^(t / c) 05:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if this where I am supposed to reply. That match occurred in RINGS Japan on October 14th 1997. The earliest recorded instance of the Gogoplata in MMA after this date was Aoki in 2006. I am not aware of anyone else doing it prior to Aoki other than myself. This video pre-dates that by 9 years. I am not aware of anything prior to my match. It should be noted that this was RINGS rules which is a form of MMA as MMA was still developing in different organisations which had different rules. Rings had two types of rules. RINGS rules was open hand striking and no striking on the ground. Though not full MMA as we know it today (and hence why not on my record) it is generally considered a form of MMA which eventually evolved in MMA as we know it (RINGS King of Kings tournament came from this and many great fighters such as Fedor, Minotauro, Babalu, Henderson and more fought in these events). —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElvisSinosic (talk • contribs)

(I originally wrote a reply believing the claim was you were the first to simply attempt it, but reading Gogoplata now I guess you actually finished it which is a much different situation as that is leaps and bounds above just an attempt.) Hmm, this is a somewhat tricky situation as Sherdog specifically says "[Aoki] applied what many longtime followers of MMA have said is the first successful gogoplata", which -- no offense -- trumps what you as a person claim being an actual publication passing Wikipedia's guidelines on sources and all. Assuming Sherdog in this case didn't give you credit on the grounds of your match with Tamura being regarded as "not MMA" (as you said, it's not on your record), would you be OK with a change in wording to reflect this? With Sherdog being Sherdog, you can't really say "I disagree, it was MMA and I want credit". I think the best we can do is to simply mention the facts (did finish, RINGS-rules, not regarded as MMA) in a neutral manner. Note that this is a pretty slippery slope as we should preferably have a source saying you actually did and did finish the move to avoid getting into original research territory (which is not allowed). As it stands the argumentation is basically, "Look at the fight. That is a gogoplata." which is dangerously close to if not already violating that policy. --aktsu ^(t / c) 09:03, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Look I'm happy to reword to something as MMA-Style Match (RINGS rules). I don't want to cause any problems. Saying that as well I don't mind contacting Sherdog and looking at have them re-update their records. To be honest, even I had forgotten that I had done (it was so long ago). It wasn't til I started converting my VHS to DVD and rewatching the footage that it all came flooding back. Just looking for recognition for what I've achieved. :) (ElvisSinosic (talk) 10:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Why did the bot remove the image? Is there something I forgot to do? Or do they not allow images in the content? (ElvisSinosic (talk) 03:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]

File permission problem with File:Gogo By the King.jpg

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