User talk:Elbert Ainsteinium/Michael reaction

Group discussion

Hi guys I started the talk page here to discuss ideas and plans for the article.

The assignment this week wants us to add links to other pages and include images (the latter being tricky requiring sources that aren't copyrighted) let me know if you have some ideas. For the links I was thinking to other pages that talk about basic concepts the Micheal reaction uses like resonance for example. For the image I think we could make our own from ChemDraw and might want to wait till the ChemDraw tutorial this week. Reply to this comment to continue the thread. Elbert Ainsteinium (talk) 17:29, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just edited the Kohler part of the article and inserted the citation for our CHEM 203/213 textbook as a source. However, this source needs to be corrected somehow because the automatically generated source is kinda funny. Just putting this here so I remember to do this. I will leave a follow-up to this message when it’s been completed. Sach548 (talk) 20:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Group Notes from sandbox:

A section on the talk page states that the reference "Kohler. J. Am. Chem. Soc., 1907, 37, 385" which is used to support the "new definition" of a Michael reaction does not appear to mention the Michael reaction. We should consider searching for this source based on what that user mentioned so that this claim can be properly cited. If this cannot be found, we may need to remove the source or initiate conversation with the user that pointed it out. I just posted to the talk page to see if that user has seen anything recently

Let’s use a textbook definition to adjust this section

Since we were told a 1,6-Michael addition was possible in CHEM 213, I'm interested in building a small section on the Michael reaction page to talk about this. However, the page defines a Michael reaction as being a 1,4 addition, so I'm not sure how we could explain that the 1,6 addition is also a Michael reaction. Research is needed on our part to determine where the 1,6 addition originated from and who defined the specific 1,4 addition of the Michael reaction. The page states that Kohler was responsible for this definition (the same person as my comment above); however, this source needs to be changed because it currently doesn't back up the claim.

Add a simple mechanism from the literature to show how it works

Micheal addition is a key step of many polymerization reactions, I'd like to include a small section talking about this.

add an applications section - add a few main applications of the Micheal reaction

Possibly fix the mechanism. It is confusing to follow along and it could be made clearer

Have the enolization step first then show the resonance structures

follow the rest of the mechanism below, from left to right — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sach548 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]