User talk:El Temprano

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External links

There is a discussion about the external links that you have added to many bird articles at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Birds#External_link_naming. Are you associated with this external website? Snowman (talk) 09:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Parrot photographs

I wonder if you would contribute parrot photographs to the wiki. I would be grateful if you could uploaded the following to commons (or change the licence) which we do not have any photographs - Kawall's Amazon, Lear's Macaw (we have illustration only), Caatinga Parakeet, Bald Parrot, Golden-tailed Parrotlet, Madeira Parakeet. We have the following, sometimes a poor quality photograph, and it would be good to have more of a variety - Austral Parakeet, Mountain Parakeet, Canary-winged Parakeet, Tui Parakeet, Grey-breasted Parakeet, Green Rosella, Yellow Rosella, Purple-crowned Lorikeet, Yellow-crowned Black Cockatoo (in flight), Red-bellied Macaw, Slender-billed Parakeet. If this seems to many, the ones we have not got are a priority. Thank you. Snowman (talk) 10:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC) El Temprano (talk) 10:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC) You must be joking!

Unfortunately, he is not. But I understand you feel that way. To clarify, I do not agree with SnowMan's interpretation of things, and I think adding the links was an net benefit. But heck, it takes sense over rules to see that. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 18:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added might not comply with our guidelines for external links. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion, and doing so is contrary to the goals of this project. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Snowman (talk) 15:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Links to your website

I have recently become aware of the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Birds#External_link_naming, as well as the motion and your comments in the discussion.

I would feel that it would be a loss to Wikipedia if the links to your site were not permitted. They add valuable resources to the articles - and the motion, with its use of an alternative text for the link, such as

• Photos and text for the Buffy-fronted Seedeater.

would be very suitable, in my humble opinion! I understand the people who think that it should not have your name in the link - this looks wrong in my opinion - but I feel that your contribution is very useful.

I hope that you will reconsider your request to have all the links to your website removed.

I should point out that I have no interest in the bird articles as such - I came across the discussion, and feel that this is an Wikipedia issue, rather than a bird article one.

I am sorry if you feel unwelcomed, or your contributions not to be valued - they clearly are, from most of the discussion at WikiProject Birds!

Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

El Temprano (talk) 13:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC) Thank you very much for that. Along with some private messages from some editors I am beginning to feel less of a criminal pariah. I also appreciate that refusing to allow links to my website smacks of a degree of arrogance though I don't think it approaches the arrogance of guys like Snowman. Let me seethe a bit longer and think about the whole issue.

Regards, Arthur Grosset

Arthur, in this context, we do not ask you to add the links, others will do that. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 15:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Please be aware of Wikipedia:No personal attacks, and please consider that as a helpful suggestion. Snowman (talk) 22:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

If anybody is currently in violation of policies, it is not Arthur. This link to WP:NPA is wholesome inappropriate in this context. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 14:03, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

After considering the guidelines, I opted to leave a polite message about the policy of "no personal attacks", in case he should inadvertently end in deep water. I think that this was a helpful comment. My polite note on this page did not accuse anyone of making a personal attack. Snowman (talk) 16:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Read WP:BITE. Your continued policy and guideline trumping is a clear case of WP:BITE. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 16:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Politely informing a new user of an important wiki guideline is helpful. Snowman (talk) 17:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

No, this kind of policy thumping after first chasing away a user, who came back despite of that after intervention of several people, is very counter productive, and is exactly what is not needed at this time. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 17:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

• Arthur, may I take this opportunity to thank you for allowing us to use your website as a possible link for articles requiring it - I am glad you reconsidered. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:35, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

A message for Snowman and Kim

Snowman, as I left the message that started this section, it's on my watchlist, so I couldn't help but notice your and Kim's messages. From where I am sitting (as a neutral observer), while the words may have been polite, the implication was not. I have not seen Arthur make any personal attacks, so to refer him to that particular guidelines would appear unnecessary. May I also be a bit rude (most unlike me, but very very occasionally - as I find with my little rascals at home - it's necessary to make a point!)and suggest that rather than you and Kim discussing this on Arthur's talk page, perhaps you could continue it on one or the other of your own talk pages? I am putting these comments in a collapsing box, so it doesn't have to be read by Arthur. Perhaps you could put your comments to each other in one too? As it's not my discussion, I would consider it rude for me to just do it! OK, I've had my 0.02 worth, so I'll leave this to you two. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:35, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Purple Heart Award

		The Purple Star
		I, Smallman12q, hereby award my fellow wounded wikipedian, El Temprano, with the Purple Star for having to tolerate the puerile behavior of editors who did not assume good faith. I hope that this imbroglio will not dissuade you from further contributions.Smallman12q (talk) 13:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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