User talk:Ekael777

Welcome!

Hello, Ekael777, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

• The five pillars of Wikipedia
• Tutorial
• How to edit a page and How to develop articles
• How to create your first article (using the Article Wizard if you wish)
• Manual of Style

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! Ian.thomson (talk) 17:21, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you must sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay, I understand. Like this...(Tim.Wahl)

No, four tildes (~~~~). Look next to the 1 key on your keyboard. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay let me try again....like this?...(Ekael777 (talk) 18:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC))

That's it. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Welcome again

Hi. I'm an administrator here on Wikipedia. It looks like you've gotten off to a rough start here, but don't worry, we're a pretty forgiving bunch. You can go ahead and remove those warnings above. It's clear that you didn't know how to use talk pages and have now figured that out. Please try to discuss contested changes going forward rather than repeating them.

Let me know if I can help. Alternatively, you could add {{helpme}} to your talk page and someone will come around to answer your question. (I did something special so that one won't trigger the call for help.)

Welcome and happy (or at least happier) editing. Toddst1 (talk) 19:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thanks very much for believing me. I don't know how to remove the warnings above. Do I simply go in the edit and delete them? Any help on navigating this site would always be welcomed. I don't have any friends that have made an account with Wiki. Someone suggested I do this last night. Sorry for messing up and taking up your time. Thanks again. (Ekael777 (talk) 19:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC))

Quit advertising your book

Wikipedia is not for advertising, your book does not meet the notability guidelines at any rate. Just because exists does not mean it belongs here. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:38, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I am confused now. So I can't put my book up at all? I thought I couldn't post the link. Now I can't put anything up? It is going to be sold on amazon.com. I didn't it was a big deal to put that up. {{helpme}} (Ekael777 (talk) 19:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC))

So if I get the people that are following my progress on facebook (hundreds of people) does that meet the guidelines? Furthermore, there are plenty of postings that I have seen for movies that are going to be coming out, future books...etc. If I had never looked at wikipedia, I would have never have known that Edgar Allan Poe wrote something on Azrael. Is that considered advertising? Does my book have to be out first in order for it to not be advertising? {{helpme}} (Ekael777 (talk) 20:25, 14 October 2010 (UTC))

The issue isn't "no links in general", it's advertising. The warnings had the gist of 'no links for purposes of advertising, no advertising'. The last warning doesn't even mention links, it just said that Wikipedia is not for advertising.

The notability guidelines (found here) are not about how many people on Facebook are aware of something (or else Wikipedia would be a lot smaller). The general notability guideline requires that a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Just to be clear, the reliable sources guidelines can be found here (in fact, all blue words are links to something). Even when your book is published, you would need something like articles about it from magazines or newspapers you have no connection to, to verifiably demonstrate that the book has had an impact on culture.

Poe isn't going to acquire more money or fame from being mentioned in the article, so how would that qualify as advertising? Ian.thomson (talk) 20:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Getting help

In addition to the advice you already got you can also get help on the Helpdesk. Add a new section (link "New section") to that page and ask the question on how to do something. In addition, when you follow-up on a talk page precede your message with one or more colons (":"), one more colon than the text you are responding to. --Mortense (talk) 17:29, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Followup

Just FYI we also believe in WP:Do not bite the newcomers, and usually advise that people writing about their own products please read WP:Conflict of interest, all the way down to how to contribute to articles even if there is a conflict of interest (hint: suggest corrections and small improvements only, not wholesale creation or additions, in article Talk). It's required that a non-conflicted party create the article, with lots of independent, WP:Verifiable WP:Reliable sources backing it up. It's understandably disheartening to PR people, small business owners, and anyone writing articles about subjects which have not yet established WP:N Notability, especially the WP:GNG General Notability Guideline. I also recommmend reading WP:Writing your first article and WP:Improving articles. Yep, there's a rather vast amount of reading. What? Did someone say it would be easy? It was a Heinlein book, wasn't it - Wikipedia is a Harsh Mistress? --Lexein (talk) 19:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)