User talk:Echo0816

August 2018

Hello, I'm Donner60. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Eugene Roche, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 04:10, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I left this message on my talk page. I repeated it here to be sure you see it.

"Names of family members who are not also notable public figures must be removed from an article if they are not properly sourced." Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Privacy of names. Privacy and impersonation are concerns in adding names to articles. These are among the reasons for the policy on sourcing.

While you are most likely who you say you are, without a reliable, verifiable, neutral, third party, published source, there is no way to verify it. You do not need to convince me, however, and you should not provide any private, identifying information to me or by edit to a Wikipedia article. ("Public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses" should not be used as sources. Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Avoid misuse of primary sources.) You must verify to the reader that your name has a basis for being in the article. In Wikipedia's sense, material is verifiable if it can be directly supported by at least one reliable published source.

There is a source in the article for Eugene Roche's children. While it is not in an in-line citation for that point, if I click on http://www.filmreference.com/film/88/Eugene-Roche.html, I can see that there is public information that Eugene Roche had nine children and what their names are. But you are not mentioned in that article or other sources that I could find about Eugene Roche. A quick internet search revealed no connection for you to Eugene Roche. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, your relationship is both private and unverified without a published source.

This policy is stated on several Wikipedia policy and guideline pages. For example, in "Wikipedia:No original research#Verifiability. "Main page: Wikipedia:Verifiability. Wikipedia's content is determined by previously published information rather than by the personal beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it. The policy says that all material challenged or likely to be challenged, and all quotations, needs a reliable source; what counts as a reliable source is described at Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources."

"Wikipedia editors are not indifferent to truth, but as a collaborative project, its editors are not making judgments as to what is true and what is false, but what can be verified in a reliable source and otherwise belongs in Wikipedia." Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth#Editors are not truth finders.

I am sorry to have to tell you that I can see no way to include any mention of you in the article - unless a proper reliable, published source can later be found to support it. Donner60 (talk) 06:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eugene Roche

I understand, I’m not concerned about it. He was my Uncle but he raised me with them. I only put it there because my brother (cousin) mentioned I should be in there. I am a Prop Master , very low key. I did my best till recently to stay off social media. Only a Twitter account and small Facebook as I had deleted it a few months ago but then started adding only family back.

Thank you so much for your assistance.

Best Regards,

BJ Roché Echo0816 (talk) 08:34, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]