User talk:Dweller/Archive2018

Thanks

Dweller, just a note of thanks for your reminder to all concerned. I hope 2018 fares better for you and yours. With regards, --Jack Frost (talk) 09:53, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Happy new year to you and everyone who reads these words. And those who don't. Or can't. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:59, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Re: Sorry

Understood. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:09, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

<Sticky> Special notice

Thanks to really horrible RL stuff that I wouldn't even wish on an FAC opposer, my availability to edit/mop/Crat/OS stuff until further notice* will be unpredictable, possibly sporadic and definitely severely limited.

I'm a grumpy old so-and-so at the best of times, but right now, I really need cheering up. You can cheer me up by posting here about some really great content work you've done, or other editing that is in line with the old-fashioned values in my sig. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:59, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

*Actually, has been for a while, if I'm honest

As requested - Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/List of London Monopoly locations/archive1 Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:04, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I haven't been at ANI or blocked today!!!!!! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:36, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Don't tempt me... :-) Bencherlite^Talk 18:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

It's about to happen... see User talk:Medeis#"Ah, fuck it". At least this time it's not me who's got it completely wrong!! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that, Dweller. Best of luck in your RL and hopefully you can return to us soon. I'll promise to stay extremely old-fashioned in the mean time, like back in the good old time when Wellington boots were still made of wood. Regards SoWhy 19:28, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello Dweller, don't have any edits that qualify, so have thisUser:Example User has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

This stuff is helping. Tyvm. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

[1] I take it/hope all is better now? Regards SoWhy 12:19, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Sadly not. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:23, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that :-/ Regards SoWhy 12:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

• After two years of utter hell and the loss of everything I'd worked two decades to build, thank to an (ex)spouse, I feel your pain. Life can kick you in the teeth even when you do everything right. I can only offer the assurance that things will get better. Most likely. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Made that mistake but made it early in life - only one decade wasted. Anyone who's in the Bath area is welcome to come and sob into a cider together. It's been that sort of week here, too. GoldenRing (talk) 12:44, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@GoldenRing: I know it's an old cliche, but - been there, done that. Cider? You could try some Electric Bear, and then write the article for it :-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Update: RL events have left me tired and sad. I don't know if/when I'll return to editing. Apologies to anyone whose messages are not being responded to. You're not ignored, I just can't prioritise Wikipedia at the moment. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Sending love. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

"Tired and sad"? I sincerely hope this isn't a suicide goodbye message. In the event I am overreacting, you will be missed here and I hope you do return.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 17:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Dweller isn't suicidal (or hasn't been when we've chatted), he's very tired, and dealing with a loss. Dweller, if there's anything I can do, let me know. - Dank (push to talk) 18:13, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-retiring from Wikipedia

Sorry for any unanswered messages. It's been a difficult few months. I may make some occasional edits to Wikipedia but I think the best thing to do is mark my account as semi-retired. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:20, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Good luck. Fair winds and following seas. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:34, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see this. Your sane, sensible and always kind presence will be missed. I hope you'll feel able to return in due course. Johnlp (talk) 10:54, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

What? But Alf Ramsey is not FA yet...! Best wishes, Alex Shih^Talk 08:43, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Involvement

The reason for it is that simply acting on consensus actions in AE does not actually make an admin involved... if it did, almost no admin would be able to add to the consensus there. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 14:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Yup --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you ...

Call of the Wild

Precious six years

... for improving article quality in January 2018! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Precious five years!

Precious

Five years!

Best wishes for the RL stuff! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks but I'm confused - you said 6 years in the previous section to this! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:03, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion, - it's six years that I named the prize, which Phadriel began in 2007, Precious, and five years that I noticed you being precious. - The cabal thanks you for holding up the old-fashioned values! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Lol thanks --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:08, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Saw you were poking around interesting pages: One for your attention

Dweller, aware you're semi-retired but lately active on some interesting pages, I wanted to bring to your attention the curious case of Walter O'Brien, which struggles with the fictional CBS show and the real-life version who appears to consult U.S. Army and others on what we must see as vetted, technical, and competitive projects including artificial intelligence. In all lights, the page runs afoul of WP:NPOV. Perhaps some fresh eyes but veteran eyes are warranted to sort out fact and fiction, and what belongs on the fictional character page and the real-life page? 172.56.7.24 (talk) 03:36, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I just don't understand the topic. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:37, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for improving article quality in Febuary 2018, even in semi-retirement! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

... and in March! Happy Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

... and in April! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:25, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

... and in May! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

... and in June! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:30, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Fac things

Dweller, I hope you're well. Just a quickie—I've been reading this (very interesting by the way—the cricket world Cup was unbelievable!), and I wondered if you wouldn't mind casting an eye over this one? Not, I emphasise, for any kind of review (it's had plenty—see the TP), but to see whether at first glance it's ready for me to nominate. I haven't got any distance: it looks OK, but this is my first tme, and of course MRDA  :) is that OK? Cheers! ...SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 18:07, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Serial Number 54129, sorry for slow response, but I am semi-retired from WP. If it's not too late, I'll cast a glance. Is it? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:16, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Dweller, thanks for the reply, and no problem about delays...sorry to interrupt your retirement! Well, as I said, it had got a fair amount of peer reviewing anyway, so I nominated it at FAC; feel free to comment of course  :) Hope all's well. ...SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 12:49, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

I would just like to thank you for kindly reminding me about citations, Thank You Ross Crawford. OTBC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross Crawford (talk • contribs) 16:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I wrote a user script!

Hey Dweller,

I've written a user script to enhance search results.

It provides menu items for turning these features on/off:

• Sort
• Single-spaced results
• Wikicode for list items (for copying/pasting)
• Etc.

The page Help:Searching has been revamped, and the above features work especially well with the special characters and parameters presented on that page.

It's SearchSuite.

Hope you like it.     — The Transhumanist    02:04, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm sure I would but I'm pretty inactive now and even at the best of times, find scripts very difficult to implement. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:45, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit summary in "Century"

I have no issue with these edits to "Century", but I do have an issue with one of the edit summaries:

(→‎Start and end in the Gregorian calendar: everyone agrees there was no year zero. It's the argument about it that's the issue)

The Anno Domini system of numbering years was created by Dionysius Exiguus in 525. He did not explain how he calculated or estimated the incarnation of Jesus, which he intended to commemorate. He also did not indicate which year of his notation he thought the incarnation occurred in; Using modern notation, he might have thought it was in 2 BC, 1 BC, or AD 1. He also did not make any suggestions about how to represent years before AD 1; he was only concerned with years in his Easter Table, which started in 532. So the statement that there was no year 0 is not universally agreed to. I would be cautious about extending your reasoning to any other article. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:27, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Does "anyone" seriously contend that the year before 1AD should be called "0"? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:31, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

No one seriously contends that a document that uses consistent notation should use "1 AD" and "0"; "1 AD" and "1 BC" go together. But if one decided to use, for example, astronomical year numbering and designate those years "1" and "0", it would not be a valid argument that the century before the first was -99 to 0 inclusive because Dionysius intended 1 as the year of the Incarnation of Jesus. He might just have well intended 0 or -1. So a person who wanted to designate the century before the first century as -100 to -1 inclusive would be on equally solid ground. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:31, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I just don't understand your responses. The section is labelled "Gregorian calendar" and the sentence specifies "in the Gregorian calendar". --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

The Gregorian calendar can be extrapolated backward from its adoption in October 1582, in which case it's sometimes called the "proleptic Gregorian calendar" (but not everyone bothers with "proleptic". Notation that uses year 0, year −1, etc. can be used with the proleptic Gregorian calendar. ISO 8601 requires this (although it would use the notation 0000, −0001, etc.). Jc3s5h (talk) 14:45, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this is an encyclopedia, not a science journal. When people read about the Gregorian calendar in an encyclopedia, they expect to see information related to the Gregorian calendar. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

A thank you

		The Reviewer Barnstar
		Thanks very much for helping to review Mowbray—thanks to your helpful suggestions, it passed. I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to look in. Cheers! —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap shit room 14:50, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:16, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

11 years of adminship

Wishing Dweller a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Chris Troutman (talk) 01:56, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Wow. 11 years since RfA. Time flies. Thanks, Chris. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:17, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Keeping in touch

Hey, I just wanted to update you on what I've been up to, and some of the things going on around the 'pedia that you might not be aware of...

As you know, I'm quite involved with Wikipedia's navigation systems.

One of the systems I had not been directly involved in for years, the portals, was nominated for deletion (yes, all portals, and the portal namespace) in an RfC that drew over 500 Wikipedians to comment.

It wasn't going well for portals, due to the pile on effect. I noticed that they hadn't notified the pages nominated for deletion. So, I intervened. :)

Many editors came to the portals' defense, and it turned out that many people are interested in portals, and we now have a thriving Portals WikiProject of 84 members.

We're in the process of automating portals, and I thought you might be interested in what we've been up to, and what we are up to now.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   22:20, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

P.S.: By the way, the current issue of the Signpost features an article with interviews about the RfC conflict and the Portals WikiProject.

England manager

Dude, I know the score, but Mattythewhite has helpfully tagged the article with a few [citation needed]s, per this edit. If you ever find any real time and inclination here, we should resolve them I suppose, or else just let the tags rot the page to hell and see it demoted. I'll see what I can do but we're mid-family-pet-tragedy at the moment so time is short. In more ways than one. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:37, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about your news. That's horrible. I'll see what I can do. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:13, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Match

Do we know now what will be the date of the first match in 2018 in the History of Norwich City F.C.? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

04 August! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 21:30, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/History of Norwich City F.C. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Birthday honours for Van Morrison

Hi I recently undid your edit on the above page concerning his knighthood. I like you, initially thought there was an error on the year as he was on the 2015 birthday honours list but I checked out the sources and in fact the list is simply "PRIME MINISTER’S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BIRTHDAY HONOURS" which the Queen approves but the knighthood itself is conferred at a later date as per [2] and Van's knighthood was conferred in 2016. It might be worth mentioning this in the Recognition and legacy section though. Cheers. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:58, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Domdeparis sorry for slow response. You did good here. Accuracy is king. I'll take another look to see if it's clear now. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:40, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Paperwork

Bots aside, I think you'll see from the history of those pages that few 'crats actually do all the paperwork... That said, Graham87 might be glad of a bot taking over! WJBscribe (talk) 14:52, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi WJBScribe. Thanks. Graham87, what do you think? I'm not technical, but it doesn't seem a particularly difficult task for a bot. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:41, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! :-) It probably wouldn't be too hard (except that adding in notes would still require human intervention, I imagine), but that list isn't much of a bother for me, given the infrequency of resysopings, and the fat that I sometimes enjoy quasi-bot-like work (see my recent edits). I also maintain the former administrators list, which can be a bit more work. I had a discussion about this with MusikAnimal and Moe Epsilon last year. Graham87 10:46, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I'll leave it in your extremely competent hands and try to help in a helpful not cackhanded way whenever relevant. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:48, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Barnstar for you!

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		From your work and talkpage entries, I fully think you deserve this. Mikael Häggström (talk) 09:05, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh I really like what you wrote. Thank you. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:12, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

May I add my signature to the barnstar? It's been quite a long time since a previously unknown Wiki user has been so nice to me. Thank you! --Ecelan (talk) 16:11, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh I'm blushing now! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 17:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Rob Brezsny

You are cordially invited to comment on reliability of sources on Talk:Rob Brezsny. Thanks. Kleuske (talk) 11:01, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

1 Maccabees 6:43

Unfortunately, the Greek construction involved isn't very precise in its meaning. The nominative singular name Ελεαζαρος is followed by a masculine nominative singular definite article, so what follows could be a description (Alexandros ho Megas) or an alternative name, etc. It's certainly not any ordinary or direct way of indicating "son of", but it should be kept in mind that Jerome claims to have had access to the lost Hebrew original text of 1 Maccabees... AnonMoos (talk) 08:54, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

AnonMoos, thanks. With the definite article there, could one reasonably translate it in a scholarly manner as "Elazar Avaran", rather than "the Avaran", "called Avaran" etc? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:58, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't know what Αυαραν means, so it's hard to distinguish among subtleties of translation. I thought of the "Hauran" region, but apparently that's known as Auranitis in Greek... AnonMoos (talk) 09:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Some of the sources think it's a nickname. Jerome clearly has a different tradition, but we know Elazar's dad was Matityahu, so unless Jerome thinks Matityahu also had a nickname or he thinks this is a different Elazar, he's either mistranslating his Hebrew text, or he has a defective one. I wonder if he had a Hebrew text translated from the Greek, rather than the original? That would make a lot of sense. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:33, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

History of Norwich City F.C. scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that I've scheduled History of Norwich City F.C. to appear on the main page as today's featured article on August 4, 2018. If you need to make tweaks to the blurb, it is at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 4, 2018. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:59, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Lovely, thank you my friend. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:20, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Heh... sarcasm or not? Ealdgyth - Talk 14:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Idea for an alternate cascade protection

Would a new protection level, "Pending admin review", be feasible? An alternative to Full protection but similar to Pending changes, only requiring admin tools to approve. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:18, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm intrigued, Coffeeandcrumbs, under what circumstances would this be useful? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 22:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

ERRORS is the best use for it.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Let me elaborate. Instead of fully protecting the 5 or 6 sub-templates for the Main Page, we could use this to allow Extended confirmed users to make minor corrections. If anything could be controversial or is any where near substantial or significant, the admin could just decline and say: "Reverted pending admin change with no prejudice. Please discuss." We could cut reports at Errors to less than half.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:58, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Interesting. Any talk page stalkers with a view? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:11, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not in favor of putting extra burden on administrators unless it's severely limited, such as for a handful of templates. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Lechis

Hi, I saw you had a question (When I was checking the history on that page) on why they couldn't just use the pole as a lechi as is often done. One thing with an eruv wire is that is has to be at the top of the lechi. In many cases the wires on the telephone pole cross in a T with the pole so it's not on top, and putting something on the top of the pole would be too high so a shorter lechi is used adjacent to the telephone pole. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 20:27, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Ah that makes sense, thanks. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 20:44, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Can a user with no rights rename accounts?

I'm curious about something that you as a bureaucrat might be able to explain to me.

I ran across the account Mohamed Ouda today after noticing he had re-created (not moved) a rejected draft in main space. I moved it back, then looked at his contributions.... and it's full of user account renamings. Mohamed Ouda has been here since 2008, he has less than 500 edits on en-wiki, and no user rights (other than autoconfirmed), although his talk page says he's an admin on the Arabic Wikipedia. I thought only bureaucrats could rename accounts. Can anybody do it? Could I as an admin rename accounts? Or is he doing something he shouldn't be doing? ~Anachronist (talk) 03:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

(tps) Anachronist, Mohamed Ouda is a global renamer, see m:Global renamers for more information. You are about four years out of the loop, my friend. Alex Shih (talk) 04:05, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

@Alex Shih: I kinda figured I was missing something. Thanks. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:08, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for improving article quality in July! Three days to the game ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:29, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:51, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

It's today that we watch the history of Norwich City F.C.! Thank you, and The Rambling Man and all who helped! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:03, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

... for improving in August! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

... and in September! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

... and in October! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

... for article quality improvements in October! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

... and in November! - Have you voted? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jbhunley/Bureaucrat chat

Hello fellow bureaucrats, in regards to a current RfA that has met its time, I would like your assistance in judging the community consensus presented in the discussion at Jbhunley's RfA. Your input would be most welcome at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jbhunley/Bureaucrat chat. Best regards, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:37, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your helping maintain the integrity of the Main Page!

		The Outlaw Halo Award
		In the last 17 days alone, we've identified and fixed more than 100 errors at the ALL NEW TRM ERRORS page!! Thanks so much for your diligence and your dedication to ensuring our readers get the best possible experience from Wikipedia! The Rambling Man (talk) 09:13, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

That halo suits me very nicely, thanks. The tail is a bit inconvenient when sitting. Especially on the bog. Glad you think I'm horny. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:17, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

RE - AE

RE - this comment (I don't want to derail the AE to the side topic of ARBPIA arcana) - WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 applies to all users, not just IPs - users that are not WP:EXTENDEDCONFIRMED may not edit ARBPIA relate page - some of these are ECP-protected (the "hotter" ones), some aren't (and at times - e.g. Acid throwing#Middle East - it is a sub part of the page). As for the user in question - they edited two talk pages (and one page) of articles that I had watch listed. I was concerned by the initial soap boxing (which was on a talk page). When they edited the second article (which at the time was not ECP protected) - I informed them of the applicability of the ARBPIA3#500/30 rule to their edits With most users a polite note (such as this, which I hope is polite enough) suffices. In this case - I received a series of personal attack in exchange and they continued editing the page.Icewhiz (talk) 12:40, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I've identified a glitchy bit of Arbcom drafting and posted about it at the enforcement page. As for the user's behaviour, I think I've made it clear that my view is that his response was totally unaccaptable. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:44, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

[3] it was worse before. I raised the issue and proposed the current version. What I do think we might want to do is instead of writing who is prohibited from editing, we might want to write who is allowed to edit. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 16:00, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Saying affirmatively that it is only WP:EXTENDEDCONFIRMED users with accounts (which can be rescinded, and has been, in some cases of EC gaming) would be better (and in parenthesis, one could say EC is 500/30).Icewhiz (talk) 16:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

All good ideas. Anything that's clear. Especially for newbies. We need to remember that ARBPIA is exactly the kind of thing a newbie might be attracted into editing by. Something they feel passionate about and is relevant to them. What we need to do is harness that passion, rather than stoke or frustrate it. We're not exactly rich with an influx of new editors. And even if we were, well, I just like the idea of welcoming and developing new Wikipedians. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:22, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

I would change:

All IP editors, accounts with fewer than 500 edits, and accounts with less than 30 days tenure are prohibited from editing any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

to

In order to edit any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict an editor must be registered and have more than 30 days tenure and have more than 500 edits

Sir Joseph ^(talk) 18:40, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Might as well make it official. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Amendment_request:_Palestine-Israel_articles_3

And/Or

Hi, I can't tell if my comment was accepted or not. Pinging @Doug Weller:. The version "Registered accounts with fewer than 500 edits and with less than 30 days tenure are also prohibited." is wrong. Literally it says that to be prohibited you need to have both less than 500 edits and also less than 30 days. But in fact either of those things alone makes you prohibited. I suggest that it would be less liable to misreading if worded with fewer negatives: "Registered accounts are only permitted if they have been registered for at least 30 days and have made at least 500 edits." Cheers. Zero^talk 23:37, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Zero0000: I agree, I'll see if I can get it changed. Doug Weller talk 07:29, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Missed the fact that it's at ARCA, I've supported your wording there. Doug Weller talk 07:33, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry, I missed these messages. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:36, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Long time, no see

Hey Dweller,

A lot has happened since last we connected. I've taken on curation of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals, and participation in that project has grown to nearly 100 users, including several programmers and about 15 admins. We've been working on a new portal design, and I was wondering if you would take a look at it. Please check out Portal:Lithuania, click on the various < and > symbols, and let me know what you think.    — The Transhumanist   12:56, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand portals. What are they for? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:30, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Happy Bureaucratship

Wishing Dweller a very happy bureaucratship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Kpgjhpjm 02:21, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:19, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Ryder Cup

Hello, each Cup, we typically don't update the score each and every hole, and it is messy and requires too much. Typically we wait until the match is over. Also, proper wording was taken out by that editor who never edits golf and had little or no understanding of the correct terminology. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:06, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I think you've confused me with someone else. I've not added any scores. Just a useful template. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:10, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I should have clarified. I was explaining why I was reversing that other editor's edits. I figured that's why you added the template. Sorry about that. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:15, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

That's OK. When these live events take place you can get people rushing to edit and tempers can fray, so it's a useful template. And for the readers, they should know that when they see a score, we're not a news site. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:21, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

The Beat, the Diamond, one "Eggs and Bacon"...

I've started expanding the article, based on the book and gathering other sources from the info contained therein. Would appreciate some ad hoc copyediting in my wake... The Rambling Man (talk) 06:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm sure I can rustle some of that up for you. So long as I don't have an unfortunate defecating incident, like our hero managed. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:25, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I've done pretty much most of the Ipswich career section now. Needs proper job copyediting. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:49, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

English

Per this, check the article. I think you added it???? We should be told. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:53, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Here's the source. I think it's right in the article now. I remember fixing it - I think it was right in one place and wrong in one, at one point, probably when you did the nom! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:02, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Lambo

If the rumours are to be believed, I think we have our next joint venture.... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I think that like the man himself, his biog will be unstable for a long time. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:05, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I think 250 edits to it in the past 2.5 years is pretty stable...! The Rambling Man (talk) 12:49, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Looks like a done deal. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:10, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Copyright

Lots of material lifted from Kevin Beattie's autobiography. Just wondering what permission you have to use this?

Don't worry, covering this. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:22, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

The Beat

So, what's the schedule? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:11, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

We're nearly there I think. I can't remember what's outstanding - finding it difficult to find more than trivial amounts of time onwiki atm. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

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Sorry, I've edited through your protection

Thanks for the note, but the point is to stop people who are ignorant or careless; since you think there's some sort of real benefit to leaving a note at that page, no objection. Nyttend (talk) 11:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:06, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Improving the Polish proverb article

I appreciate your offer to help improve Heaven for the nobles, Purgatory for the townspeople, Hell for the peasants, and Paradise for the Jews article. Feel free to edit it now or in the future, or join discussions on talk. That said, I think there's little else we can do outside getting the two offline Polish sources that seem to be in-depth treatment of this. Everything else is pretty much already in the article, and for the most part, seems to be discussing the proverb or any of its derivative or originating elements in passing. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:25, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Old Fashioned Values

.... are nothing without the Angostura bitters. Best Regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 02:36, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Hamster Sandwich I'm not sure what you mean (had to Google the expression). Certainly am a little bitter about a couple of things right now, but, as ever, trying to remain Old Fashioned. In line with my fourth pledge, do let me know if I'm falling down on the task. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 07:13, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the disambiguity! An Old Fashioned cocktail must, must have a couple of drops of Angostura. Take my word for it, they are my favorite cocktail, and a poorly made one is always a disappointment. I suppose I was prompted by a particularly tasty looking specimen at the page you created. A thank-you for that, if you will. Best regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 07:24, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Ah... I'm not very well-up on cocktails. I prefer drinking old water from a couple of hundred miles away. It was Miniapolis who first connected the idea with the drink, and Hammersoft who added the fun image. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:19, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

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Your ARCA post

Too many tildes I think, I've done that before.[4] Doug Weller talk 18:35, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

I do it all the time, thanks. As I often stick in my edit summaries: I hate wiki-markup. Cheers Doug. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 19:05, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Of course....

It never rains, it pours...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:27, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

No problem. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:52, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Move review: Paradisus Judaeorum

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Happy Saturnalia

		Happy Saturnalia
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. And to you. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 18:15, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Merry

		Happy Christmas!
		Hello Dweller, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?" My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 19:13, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 23:04, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Austral season's greetings

	Austral season's greetings
	Tuck into this! We've made about three of these in the last few days for various festivities. Supermarkets are stuffed with cheap berries. Season's greetings! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:06, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Cas. And to you too. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:47, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

It is not old-fashioned...

...to double-!vote. Happy New Year. ―Mandruss ☎ 12:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

How odd. Sorted, thanks. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:06, 28 December 2018 (UTC)