User talk:Dtrebbien/Archives/2008

PROD on Talk:Riemann-hilbert correspondence

Did you mean to place the PROD on Riemann-hilbert correspondence instead of Talk:Riemann-hilbert correspondence? In either case, WP:RFD should be the place to take the deletion request and not WP:PROD. If you meant to delete the redirect and not the talk-redirect, I can transfer this to RFD. If you meant to, in fact, delete the talk-redirect, this can be speedy deleted as housekeeping. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

My bad. I meant to request the deletion of the Riemann-hilbert correspondence redirect, not its talk page.

« D Trebbien (talk) 03:20 2008 January 1 (UTC)

OK - I'll toss it on over to RFD momentarily. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 January 1 --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you « D Trebbien (talk) 03:35 2008 January 1 (UTC)

French communes

• This is the source for the graphs looks like it is from INSEE . Perhaps this could be used as a reference? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 20:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree though in ten years the graphs will be out of date but I still think they are useful in reading population change and it saves having to add fiddly tables which I'm unwilling to do ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 20:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't speak Dutch but before every graph it looks as though it cites the statistics of INSEE which for me is a reliable source enough. I think population change is important for understanding other factors too -e.g a declining population can reflect a declining socio-economic propserity in the village. If it is referenced I don't think it is a problem. Best to think of what's better in the long term though. I thought I was doing a fairly good job setting them up ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 20:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No its a set graph, although hands down it is a rather intriguing way of devising it - trust the Dutch to come up with that!! lol! I think its OK as it shows a lot about change in the last few decades and seems to be reliably constructed using a bot. Hopefully these will all become fairly detailed articles eventually ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 21:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

In thousands? Lol -how many people do you think there are in these villages!! What you see is what is -e.g 800 people etc. I'll try to add an INSEE reference next to the graph when I continue so the source of the data is clear ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 21:13, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I could just directly reference the site here ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 21:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Arthur Spencer Roberts

Hi Sandpiper. Thank you for starting the Arthur Spencer Roberts article because it is turning into an interesting article. One thing, though, that you can do to improve its quality is to avoid introducing facts implicitly. Let me explain what I mean.

I, like most readers, do not have and have not read the book Chiaroscuro: The Life of Arthur Spencer-Roberts. Thus when I see the sentence "The family moved to Hastings during Roberts' youth on medical advice that a southern climate would improve his tuberculosis.", I immediately wonder if I missed the part about Roberts getting TB, a fact that was implicitly asserted in this sentence. Another example is the sentence starting with "While a new recruit at the start of World War II", which, after reading, leaves me thinking When did he join?, Why?, and Was he drafted or did he join voluntarily?.

Here are some other examples:

• medical advice (Who gave this advice?)
• In 1939 as a gunner (When did he become a gunner? Did he start as a gunner?)
• while the army stayed in India (Why were they staying in India?)
• where both his and his wife's father had served (Where did the article say that he married someone? [below] Where was the short introduction for Mavis' father, or, why was her father mentioned here?)
• but he again took a teaching job (Did he temporarily forgo an art career for a teaching career?)
• Privations of life in the wilderness and a desire for company (Was life on the Isle of Arran lonely?)
• After returning from one such visit (Which visit? There was more than one?)

...

I know that many of these things will be worked out in the long run; this is, after all, a stub, but since you have the book, it would be easier for all editors if you incorporated as much of this information as possible.

« D Trebbien (talk) 04:48 2008 January 2 (UTC)

Hi Dtrebbien. I wrote the article the way I did to accurately quote the source. I don't know who gave the medical advice (it doesn't say). There was no part about him getting tuberculosis, only having it. It is a very eclectic book jumping about all over the place, seeking as much to get the feel of the guy as to arrange facts in order. For example, I was not entirely happy stating they lived in Glasgow as it is implied by his father working there rather than stated. I was told elsewhere he was in fact born in Ireland.

I don't know whether he started as a gunner. I would guess this is likely, but the book does not say (or it might, but not in that passage). It reports him refusing to join a newly enlisted mate marching up and down the sea front in Hastings, but it doesn't say if they volunteered or were called up. it mentions training in Wales but not how they got there, his superior shooting at a civilian car before being invited to the occupants wedding, and a squaddy electrocuting himself. I have refrained from presuming anything it doesn't exactly say.

I presume they stayed in India because it was british territory needing an army, but it might have been because the government wanted to slow down releasing soldiers back to civilian life. I cant know from this book. The fathers served in different regiments, but there is some more detail on this. Apparently they were on opposite sides of a river during the same campaign. I have no idea if they knew each other. The book does have a section talking about empathy for the various soldiers and the effect on him of visiting the somme battlefields and his decision therefore to paint a picture about it. I don't know how many he might have painted on this theme, or any other info about his volume of work and which pictures are most famous.

I started adding bits while reading along as the only practical way of reordering information. Yes, I know we need some more obvious normal bio details (the book doesn't say when he was born, for example), but they are at best mixed up. Some more precise dates, length of trips etc, may be ascertained by more careful reading. I didn't introduce the sectioning, someone else did that: I hadn't got to that stage yet and while splitting it chronologically might make sense, it is not entirely natural from this source, which hops backwards and forwards on topics. Similarly, while there is more detail on some points, as it is obviously missing on others it is difficult to initially assess the correct level of detail for particular sections.

It did have a description of the wedding, in Hastings, on a windy day, where all the ladies skirts were blown up over their heads. My difficulty is whether such an amusing story is worth repeating, or isn't very helpful in the face of more important shortages.

It never states exactly what he was teaching. Sounds as though it was several subjects, probably private schools, mentions his doing drawings to illustrate several subjects. His wife was also teaching, sometimes they were at the same place. As another example of the books difficulties it says a headmaster was pleased to employ them as a team in one sentence, then next sentence appears to go on about her working at a different school. Hard to sort out. Then again, this is his biography: it seems likely from having got to the end of it that she was happy to be working earning money while he stayed at home and painted. Ultimatley, she was probably right as he became known and could earn money from painting, they did OK and had fun. But how much to introduce what she was doing? Do we mention her refusing to give greta garbo tea on some greek millionaires yacht? Possibly yes, the millionaire seems to have been something between a good customer and an agent, and a friend. How about the odd person turning up naked? Someone already chopped out the sentence I put in about him being offered acting work: I though it relevant becasue although he never took it up, in the judgement of a professional director he must have had the necessary looks/charisma/whatever and this says something about him.

Doesn't say how many trips to the USA. yes, several, and they seems to have enjoyed staying in posh hotels and with millionaires. I was myself wondering how many over how long when mentioning their return to find their house falling over the cliff.

I got into this because I was looking for illustrations for another article, and Roberts did some drawings. Having discovered a bit about him it seemed likely he was a good enough artist that he ought to have an article. However, he is not long enough dead to have earnt a place in history and just too long dead to have got onto the internet for sourcing. On the whole, I don't think he was too good at marketing. Sandpiper (talk) 10:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sandpiper. Everything seems okay, then. If the book doesn't say something, then it can't appear on Wikipedia.

It might be fun to incorporate the part about how the couple enjoyed staying in posh hotels with millionaires, as it somewhat gives an overall impression of their actual personalities.

As for some of the other facts, like Mavis' refusal to serve greta garbo tea, or an odd person turning up naked, I think that you made the right decision to not include them. While funny, they are practically bits of trivia and if readers remain interested in Roberts, then they have an incentive to acquire the book.

Does the book cite sources? If so, maybe you could add the references to the article's Talk page.

« D Trebbien (talk) 16:36 2008 January 2 (UTC)

Heng Pov

I note that you feel the article on Heng Pov to be unbalanced. May I ask what you would suggest? DS (talk) 22:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Here's why I thought it was unbalanced:

I don't know very much about Heng Pov, but when I first read the article about him, it seemed to be somewhat slanted toward sympathy for Heng Pov. The article states that he was shot in the leg while on duty as a police officer, resulting in his leg being amputated, which, at this point, makes me feel sorry for the guy. The next sentence says that while he was out of the country for medical treatment, he was charged with committing a whole list of heinous crimes. This is so sudden of a transition (in the writing) that I wonder what actually happened; ie is Heng Pov innocent or is there really corruption in the government. The next sentence says that Heng Pov was seeking refugee status (This evokes sympathy somewhat, as many refugees really are trying to escape unfair persecution) and that he issued a statement accusing other government officials of corruption and involvement in murders. This seems to "clarify" the confusion caused by the previous sentence and leads the reader into thinking that Heng Pov is just an innocent fall-guy. The next sentence, in which it was stated that Heng Pov was convicted in absentia, clears up any doubt that he really was innocent, at least from my perspective as a United States citizen, because no one in the U S can be convicted like that. Then I read that Finland tried to become involved, but I don't really know why, and as Finland is, in my view, a "good country", it seems that Heng Pov is absolutely innocent. However, the next sentence states that he was deported and sent back to Cambodia where he was sentenced with several life sentences. This leads me to think that it is a giant cover-up. And, if I wanted to read more, the external links section is Heng Pov's statement and website, and two other pro-Heng Pov documents.

It seems that it would be extremely difficult to maintain a neutral point of view here, but I think that it would help to include more information about the Cambodian authorities' perspective on the subject. Additionally, here are some questions that should be addressed:

• Whom is he accused of murdering? Why?
• Why was he charged with corruption?
• Why did Finland become involved?
• How much counterfeit currency is he accused of possessing? Also, which illegal weapons?
• What was Hok Lundy's response to Heng Pov's statement?

...

Also, maybe the external links/references section can have more sources that aren't pro-Heng Pov.

« D Trebbien (talk) 03:05 2008 January 3 (UTC)

In no particular order: it's a bit difficult to find non-pro-HP sites. $US 30,000. He applied to a whole bunch of countries for refugee status; they all rejected him except Finland. He's accused of murdering (among others) a judge, in 2002. He was charged with corruption because... well, apparently he's made several very powerful enemies; whether he himself is corrupt, I'm not sure. Also, I've been trying to figure out the timeline myself; it's a bit difficult to follow. DS (talk) 03:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand. It's difficult to follow the events for any hot topic. Also, I am sure that it is more difficult researching this subject because of the language barrier.

In the meantime, I think that it might be good to leave the tag on the page as an invitation to others to contribute what they know about Heng Pov.

« D Trebbien (talk) 03:38 2008 January 3 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Proceedings of the Steklov Institute of Mathematics

A tag has been placed on Proceedings of the Steklov Institute of Mathematics requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ww2censor (talk) 05:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Michael LaHood, Jr.

A tag has been placed on Michael LaHood, Jr. requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Malc82 (talk) 20:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

February 2008

Please remember to mark your edits as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits (see Help:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.' Thank you. Jfire (talk) 21:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Duly noted. Sorry for any confusion. « D. Trebbien (talk) 21:11 2008 February 3 (UTC)

Thanks..

for giving me my first barnstar! :D kawaputra^torque 10:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Also thanks. although, the article itself was not my idea. Oldag07 (talk) 12:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! And it doesn't matter that you didn't start the article. I looked at your contributions and you seem to be a solid contributor. « D. Trebbien (talk) 15:31 2008 February 4 (UTC)

Thank you re: Mikhail Khorobrit

Thank you I was working on the article when the Speedy deletion thing popped up and therefore I removed it. Thanks for your super-speedy remark even before I had time to do much work on the article.--Mcpaul1998 (talk) 01:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Nonsense tag

So I just use {{db-nonsense}} if i want to identify an article as nonsense? --Thebluesharpdude (talk) 02:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Alright thanks. --Thebluesharpdude (talk) 02:26, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Roger that. --Thebluesharpdude (talk) 02:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Ma'agan Michael

No worries. I'm gradually going through all the kibbutz articles adding infoboxes, categories etc. пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

For the spelling/grammar edits. Zenasprime (talk) 04:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Organic farming issues

I'm not following the details, I only got into this because I removed what I saw as vandalism, and I think I agree with you're editing in general - though like I said I'm not tracking the details; but it looks like you fixed spelling errors in P3rkypat's talk page comments here. Probably not a good idea to tinker with his talk page comments, particularly on his own user talk page and especially while you're in the middle of a dispute. Just let errors be to avoid any concern over refactoring. Cheers.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 04:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. « D. Trebbien (talk) 02:08 2008 March 18 (UTC)

Thanks

...for this. Made my day! Renee (talk) 19:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Zbl and JFM templates

Thank you for creating these much needed templates! I've posted a note advertising them at the Math Project page, since they should be used whenever Zbl or JFM info appears in the bibliographical references, similarly to MathSciNet. Would you be able to create a template for Lecture Notes in Mathematics as well? It should link to the full text of a specific volume (full text of all LNMs is accessible through SpringerLink) and have fields for the author, title, conference proceedings information (if applicable), etc? That would be very helpful. Arcfrk (talk) 03:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Arcfrk, I am glad that you like {{Zbl}} and {{JFM}}.

As far as Lecture Notes in Mathematics, unfortunately full text is not available to most people. (Are you at a university?) For example, when I visit the link which you provided, I do not see the little green squares next to any of the titles.

All is not lost, though. Every book has a digital object identifier (DOI) as well as every chapter of every book in the LNM series. For example, Representation Theory and Complex Analysis has DOI 10.1007/978-3-540-76892-0 and the chapter "Unitary Representations and Complex Analysis" within that book has DOI 10.1007/978-3-540-76892-0_5 .

If you look at {{cite book}}, you will see both chapter= and doi= fields. Here is an example:

Vogan, Jr., David A. (2008). "Unitary Representations and Complex Analysis". Representation Theory and Complex Analysis. Lecture Notes in Mathematics. Vol. 1931. doi:10.1007/978-3-540-76892-0_5. ISBN 9783540768913.

which is rendered with:

{{cite book| last=Vogan, Jr. | first=David A. | year=2008 | chapter=Unitary Representations and Complex Analysis | title=Representation Theory and Complex Analysis | series=Lecture Notes in Mathematics | volume=1931 | isbn=9783540768913 | doi=10.1007/978-3-540-76892-0_5}}

Cheers. « D. Trebbien (talk) 05:03 2008 March 24 (UTC)

But even if it's not available for free to everyone, since we provide a reference anyway, wouldn't it make sense to link to the source? At the moment, I am doing it manually (only occasionally, given how labor-intensive this is), and yes, I've used doi for this purpose. However, a template-based solution, with

input: LNM volume number, some bibliographical information in human language;

output: a link to the source, which frequently contains alphanumerical gibberish

seems much better. Not only will it remove the aforementioned labor-intensive component, but also the links will be created in a uniform way (e.g. you can decide that they all refer to the last freely available page that contains the abstract and links directly to the text). Do you think that you can implement it? Arcfrk (talk) 05:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Arcfrk, may I have an example of what you mean? « D. Trebbien (talk) 01:57 2008 March 25 (UTC)

Wolfberry polysaccharides

I respect your point, D, but I made an exception for this particular nutrient and how it was discussed on the wolfberry page where it's been for more than a year. The proponents of special polysaccharide roles from wolfberry have no published literature consumers could go to for understanding their claims, however derived. They just state it out of the blue, and expect gullible people to believe it. I wanted to challenge that and rather state facts about polysaccharides, so felt it justified to make my point visible. I am willing -- with your help -- to rewrite that section to avoid sounding obstinate.

We write an article about wolfberry or any topic on Wikipedia to be factual and provide a scientifically-founded concept about a topic for the encyclopedia. There is a camp in the wolfberry products industry who only want to make money, through applying any means at any cost to deceive consumers. My position is to debate and expose their misinformation with actual science and plain truths.--Paul144 (talk) 04:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Red Dog DYK

Thanks! I was going to wait 24 hours or so to see that it survived that long before adding it, but I'm glad it apparently got through patrolling *and* you found it worthy of DYK nomination. This is my first non-self nom. Have a good night :) TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 02:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh and quick question on this article. Thanks for the clean-up, but I'm curious as to why you commented out the section about the 4WD Club? If you don't want to include it, why not just remove it? I don't care either way, I've just never seen it done via a comment out rather than removal. Thanks! TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 04:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what a 4WD drive club is, and after another user became irritated with me after trying to speedy delete West London Sharks, I am more cautious about removing material that seems to me to be un-important or non-notable. I might be the only one. « D. Trebbien (talk) 04:37 2008 April 7 (UTC)

Yikes, that's rather rude. I promise, I don't bite. I assume, absent obvious evidence to the contrary that people add and remove content for good reasons. I can't really explain a 4WD club clearly because I'm not a car person. 4WDs there are SVU type vehicles and they meet to travel to certain areas that are inaccessible by regular car. Clubs are those who meet regularly to planned destinations -- if that makes sense. I really wish there were a wiki article to link you to. Google is verbose but not very explanatory. If you don't think it's worth a mention, feel free to remove. Going off line now but am happy to discuss further. Thanks again for the cleanup, wiki needs a better proof reader and I need better grammar TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 04:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Mundhum

Hello - I have sought to address your concern, by replacing the blog links by the full publication information of the "History and Culture of the Kirati People" (alas no specific pages though). I have also added fresh book sources. Please examine my changes and let me know if a problem persists. Vishnava (talk) 02:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Vishnava (talk) 13:47, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 11 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Red Dog (Karratha), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

- DaughterofSun (talk) 09:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! « D. Trebbien (talk) 03:04 2008 April 12 (UTC)

Camling phonology table

Hi - could you please have a look at the phonology table, which is referenced from the Rosetta Project (link provided)? I think I've messed up the formatting. Vishnava (talk) 15:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

It appears that Circeus has made some changes to Camling language to try to fix the table. Is the way it looks now the way you would like it to appear?

« D. Trebbien (talk) 03:02 2008 April 12 (UTC)

Yes, thank you and to Circeus too. Vishnava (talk) 14:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Haraprasad Shastri

Hi! Thanks for the note. The computer I am using right now is not capable of using Bengali font :( I shall add the name in Bengali font soon. Thanks a lot. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for all your inputs for Haraprasad Shastri. Class is a grade. First clsss was/is the highest grade a student could/ can acquire. In Sanskrit College, those who secured a first class in Sanskrit post graduate examinarions were endowed with the title of Shastri and they generally opted to use that title. I think, altough I am not sure, the same system is still there. Regards - P.K.Niyogi (talk) 05:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Cambodian names

I note that you recently inverted the defaultsort that Gene Nygaard put on the Heng Pov article. The thing is... I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that's how Cambodian nomenclature works. For instance, Heng Pov's political enemy Hok Lundy has a daughter named "Hok Chindavy"; doesn't this imply that the family name precedes the personal name, and thus that it should be sorted as "Heng, Pov" instead of "Pov, Heng"? DS (talk) 14:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. That's interesting.

It does appear to be correct that in Cambodian, "last names" come first. (I was looking at two, other articles about Cambodians, Ieng Sary and Lon Nol, as well as a few others.)

Another natural question is whether, when referring to a person by their Cambodian name in shorthand, the first name is to be used. For example, on Ieng Sary, there is a sentence (Sary and Saloth Sar studied at Phnom Penh's Lycée Sisowath where their future wives, the sisters Khieu Thirith and Khieu Ponnary also studied.) where perhaps "Sary" should be "Ieng".

« D. Trebbien (talk) 02:08 2008 April 16 (UTC)

In fact, user:Kiensvay has confirmed that, in Cambodian names, the family name precedes the personal name. As for your other question - I don't really know; you'd have to ask him. DS (talk) 23:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Costières de Nîmes

Thanks for your comments, it's nice to know that there is more than bots following what we are doing. Costières de Nîmes was most certainly included in the jurisdiction of Inter Rhône, the committee which represents the entire viticulture and commerce of the CDR and the Rhône valley, and federates all activities for the promotion, economy, and technology of the region. As I remember, the Inter Rhône was created in the mid 1990s while I was living near Châteauneuf-du-Pape for 12 years, as a solution to the chaos of the many AOC syndicates that existed more in name than in actively promoting their wines. Costières vinyards are concentrated in the area around Rémoulins and Uzès where the whole CDR thing started in 1650. How the decision to include Costières came about, I have no idea, I was no longer as close to the sources as I used to be.but I would assume that as that part of the Gard has few wineries of renown and no other central governing body, that it was a convenient move. Costières is the last outpost for wines that retain the characteristics of CDR. Although, like the Lirac, it is a slightly lighter red with just a tad more tendency to fruit than the undergrowth, leather, animal and prune that typifies the left bank CDRs, the Costièrs has rather harder tanins and marks the transition to the wines of the Langedoc. If you feel that more information is appropriate, please feel free to voice your opinion, but I may not have the time to do this. At the momentI am in the process of filling a lot of gaps and stubs on CDR, and creating new ones to bridge the gaps which I hope others will jump in and expand. If I don't include all these details in the CDR article, it is because I feel that there is enough info out there on wine and it is not the destiny of Wikipedia to become a wine guide. I think that just more than a stub is probably all that is required. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, I assume the information is correct. I have added the link to the page. Kudpung (talk) 17:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

re:Tomas

You may be right, the message wasn't signed and I assumed it was from you. I'ill repost it on his talk page. Thanks. Kudpung (talk) 04:46, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

No worries. « D. Trebbien (talk) 04:55 2008 April 19 (UTC)

Mecca Time AfD

Hi Dtrebbien - I request you to have a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mecca Time - I had created this article early today thinking it was significant, but later I found that only a BBC report and a Gulf Times article are the sources of this information - all other sources have picked the BBC article, nothing else. The participants in this conference in question are virtually unknown, and I couldn't find any background information on this idea or controversy. I had a discussion with Erechtheus, who had first raised the point, and Johnbod, whose feedback I had requested. Yet, I feel the best thing to do is to get wider community opinion, and your input will be appreciated. Thanks, Vishnava (talk) 14:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Vishnava. I have been traveling recently and have just read your message, Mecca Time, and its AfD.

I am using a public computer now which is blocked from editing nearly anything other than my talk page because the computer's IP address, 24.227.237.190, was used by User:Scibaby, or something, I don't know. Anyway, I'll write my response here and copy it to the AfD later (or you could).

Merge with Prime Meridian (per User:Julesn84) or GMT, perhaps under a "Controversy" section, but no more than a sentence or two stating that the choice of timezone 0 is arbitrary, mentioning Mecca Time as an example of contest.

I do not think that notability is an issue here because there were two, well-respected news sources that wrote about this. Instead, I think the issue here is "one-time event" (I can't find the link in WP: to the wording right now), and here is my thinking: if Mecca Time is a term that was conceived (and only used) during this conference of Muslim scholars, then there would be no possibility of expanding the article; its content is currently locked with the conference. Therefore, I suggest waiting until the term becomes more widely used to have a separate article about the subject.

(As a sidenote, I would be interested to know whether there is more coverage in Arabic, which I cannot read, than English.) « D. Trebbien (talk) 15:00 2008 April 25 (UTC)

Raghavanka

I have played down the adjectives now and removed the tag. Thanks.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 12:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

many thanks!

Wow - its quite special for me! I truly appreciate this and the help/advice you've given me over this past month. Once I started, I got addicted to DYK-writing, and its quite pleasing to see my work get on the main-page. I hope to diversify soon, write an FA. Thanks again! Vishnava (talk) 14:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

CSS changes

{{helpme}}

Recently I have seen a few changes to the appearance of the "article difference" pages, including dotted borders around changes (reverted) and today, a slightly darker background color.

I like the new appearance because it was difficult to determine where changes were made if, for example, the only difference was an extra space.

Where do I comment on this change? « D. Trebbien (talk) 14:16 2008 May 2 (UTC)

There were several discussions, none of which I can find at present. However, you can restore the dotted borders (or something similar) using the code here. If that's not what you want, feel free to post another {{helpme}} here, or try the village pump. Algebraist 15:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I forgot about monobook.css and promptly added my preferred customizations. « D. Trebbien (talk) 22:50 2008 May 2 (UTC)

Request re Klaipėda Geothermal Demonstration Plant

Hello D - could you maybe take another look at this? Novickas (talk) 15:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Is there anything in particular to look for? « D. Trebbien (talk) 00:07 2008 May 5 (UTC)

Nothing in particular - just a lookover, which you have done, thanks. Novickas (talk) 01:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Omid Tahvili

Thanks for your sharp eyes. Please check the article if it is okay now. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Kesiraja

yes, it is true that the only work of KEsiraja which is available is his grammar, Shabdamanidarpana. The other five works are considered extinct now, which is why he is primarily known as a grammarian, though in reality he was a lot more.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Images at Wikimedia Commons deleted

Hello. I have deleted commons:Image:3 obscure mealybugs.jpg & commons:image:Obscure mealybug.jpg because images licensed the by-nc licences are unfree for commercial use. --Benn Newman (talk) 02:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

William Miles Maskell

On 10 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Miles Maskell, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 15:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks so much for your support in myRfA, which closed successfully this morning. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Nilpotent group

I think a straightforward induction argument would be good in the nilpotent group article. The one in p-group is (supposed to be) so brief, that it is easy to miss something. It wouldn't hurt to have a longer proof in the nilpotent groups article. Then one could have a footnote in the p-group proof to point to the longer proof in nilpotent group.

At some point a few editors (I, NBarth, and someone else working on the central series style articles) were even considering having a whole article on the normalizer condition. I think there would be no problems making a version for nilpotent group. The only difference is that instead of inducting on the group order, you have to induct on the nilpotency class (since the group could be infinite). It is always nice to see finite group ideas applied for infinite groups, so this would be a doubly nice thing to have.

BTW if you are interested in group theory, that article is undergoing major work right now. We just finished getting group (mathematics) to GA status, and now the plan is group theory. There is a whole group of editors at WT:MATH / WP:WikiProject Mathematics too. JackSchmidt (talk) 21:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

PS Thanks for {{JFM}}! I glanced through your past user talk to make sure I wasn't repeating invitations to WP math and the group theory collaborations, and noticed you had created those templates. The Zbl and JFM reviews are often quite good, and often quite different, so I think it is an incredibly good idea to have both in the bibliographies, and your template has made this much easier. JackSchmidt (talk) 21:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jack. Thanks for the invitation. I will take a look. « D. Trebbien (talk) 19:50 2008 May 27 (UTC)

Mikado yellow

You added {{refimprove}} to mikado yellow. There are three statements there. One was about the Lincoln and had a reference. Another was about Oberlin and is referenced there. I don't see the point in cluttering WP with duplicate references for the same fact unless there is a specific policy that says otherwise (just like disambiguation pages aren't referenced). The last was a general comment which is supported by many web sites, none of which really stands out; I don't think it's worth arbitrarily picking one. Ma^t_chups 13:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Matchups. I added {{refimprove}} because I felt that number 1 was not referenced, and the reference for 2 seemed to be different from the claim in the article. It is a minor point, but the website for 2, "1968 Lincoln Colors", does not actually say that it was used on the Lincoln Continental.

In retrospect, {{refimprove}} seems a bit strong for these minor things, so I have removed it.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 17:41 2008 June 15 (UTC)

Albucilla

Thanks for the barnstar. I'm not opposed to toiling in solitude, but it is nice every once in a while to have one's work recognized. I appreciate it. Ford MF (talk) 20:51, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Double Room Refs

D, should we leave note here on on the discussion page for Double Room? Forgive the bumbling! Just need some clarification. All references are on the website for Double Room. What more can we reference? It is what it is. Please tell us. We kept it simple as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrodyE (talk • contribs) 17:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi BrodyE. Leaving a message here is fine, and you aren't bumbling; actually, I think that you are starting off very well.

When I added {{refimprove}}, I was mainly thinking about our Wikipedia:Reliable sources guidelines, which essentially say that sources must be reliable, third-party, and published. An example of such a source for Double room would be an article or webpage which analyzes the impact/importance of the journal.

I also realize that such a source may not exist, as the journal is relatively new and may be unknown, and the use of {{refimprove}} may have been a little too harsh. If you do try to find a third-party source and there isn't one yet, then feel free to remove the tag.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 17:49 2008 June 16 (UTC)

D, hi. The best I can do is a general google search link ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=double+room+journal+prose+poetry&btnG=Search ) that produces multiple references to the journal all around the web. It hasn't yet been reviewed by The Atlantic or NY Times or anything really big. Is this ok? Should I post the google search link in the External Links? ... BrodyE (talk) 23:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Generally links to Google search results should not be placed on article pages; they don't need to be anyway, as many editors will check Google hits for more information when reviewing a topic.

There is an interview by Didi Menendez which I think will be good. I have added the citation and removed the {{refimprove}}.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 23:36 2008 June 16 (UTC)

Thanks so much, D. I'll be more conscious of this issue. I have some more journals to add soon that I hope you will check out. Yours BrodyE (talk) 12:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd be happy to. I'm glad to help. « D. Trebbien (talk) 17:08 2008 June 18 (UTC)

Biting newcomers

I would suggest I was quite polite actually to what I consider (still being polite) a very poor edit removing referenced material [1] --Matilda ^talk 02:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The removal of the paragraph may have been an accident. Sometimes I see "anonymous" IP edits in my watchlist which have this problem, and I am not really sure if they meant to remove such a large chunk of an article. Of course, some excisions are quite clearly vandalism, but that is another story.

I am cautious about biting the newcomers because I have seen a few great writers be scared off by bot messages and other, somewhat unpleasant tidbits.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 02:08 2008 June 19 (UTC)

• It wasn't an accident when you look at his other edits and he came to my talk page afterwards but didn't look at the article talk page where I had discussed it. He wasn't merely removing a paragraph - he was reinstating British info about the circus - info that was already in the article with a reference but subservient to Moscow info which was also referenced and which he removed. I am normally very conservative about biting newcomers but this was to me quite deliberate series of edits. However I appreciate why you were contacting me but I assure you my actions were deliberate and considered and not my normal pattern of contacting newcomers [2] but in response to his edits and contact on my talk page (after he had made the edits but before my reversion and subsequent message.--Matilda ^talk 02:26, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

• I notice that you removed my warning [3] - I don't think that was appropriate, users can remove warnings from their talk pages, you can remove vandalism or improper notices - this was a proper notice and should not have been replaced or refactored. --Matilda ^talk 02:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

• Okay. I see it now. I am sorry for jumping to conclusions. « D. Trebbien (talk) 02:34 2008 June 19 (UTC)

you've got translations ;)

Hello, Dtrebbien. You have new messages at Travellingcari's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

glad it helped, please let me know if you need more. I'm happy to help. A bit time crunched now but can generally do within 24 hours or so. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a final count of 42 supporting, 2 opposing and 2 neutral. I would like to thank Keeper76 especially for the great nomination. I look forward to assist the project and its community as an administrator. Thanks again, Cenarium ^Talk 01:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Changes to {{botanist}}

Hi Ryan,

I made some changes to {{botanist}} after seeing this edit and this one. The Categories were great, but the second parameter of {{botanist}} seemed redundant with a DEFAULTSORT.

Looking at {{stub}}, I made changes so that the second parameter is unnecessary (and now ignored).

I thought I should let you know.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 04:03 2008 June 25 (UTC)

I always wondered if there was a way to allow DEFAULTSORT to take over sorting that. Thanks! Now, is there a way to bring the <hr> lines back? When used on small stubs, a template without the break lines looks fine to me, but this information can easily get lost in a huge article when there are no break lines. Thoughts? --Rkitko ^(talk) 11:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I liked the break lines, too, and I am not really sure why they have disappeared. I am thinking that by unfortunate coincidence, an admin was altering the main monobook CSS at the same time as I was changing {{botanist}} and removed/altered some or all of the .notice, .metadata, or .spoiler styles. Indeed, I checked the HTML output to make sure that the <div> tag was still being rendered as before, and someone has reverted my changes to the original, making my edits less likely to be the culprit of the sudden destyling.

Do you remember what the colors were?

« D. Trebbien (talk) 14:44 2008 June 27 (UTC)

Re: Servpro

(crossposted from my talk) Yeah, well, that's the way it goes; the articles should stand alone in explaining their notability. The only thing that possibly asserted notability in the article was the claim that the company was "large", and that really doesn't tell much without exact statements and sources saying what really makes the company "large". Simply put, WP community found out long ago that one-sentence article about notable company can be indistinguishable from an one-sentence article about a non-notable company, so we'd terribly appreciate the second sentence if that isn't too much to ask, thank you for asking =) As a general rule, CSD deletions are without prejudice, so feel free to recreate the article right away (doesn't seem like anything important was deleted anyway) - it definitely looks like it would stand there if only its notability would be explained right from the beginning. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 12:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Nellie King

Hi Dtrebbien, I noticed you placed a {{notability}} tag on this article. WP:BIO, specifically WP:ATHLETE, indicates that, "Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league" are generally notable. Of course this is a guideline, not a policy, so it is not a certainty. However, I wanted to alert you to this guideline in the event it would influence your thoughts on this article. Regards, Accurizer (talk) 12:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I wasn't aware, and in this case I think, then, that {{notability}} should be removed. « D. Trebbien (talk) 12:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Only a question

--Puttyschool (talk) 17:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Hi Dtrebbien, I noticed you placed a {{notability}} tag on this article W-PuTTY-CD. At the same time I was adding the stub {{compu-prog-stub}} tag So that other people can help by finding more resources or enhance this article, According to my understanding to stubs I think the stub tag means that this article still needs a lot of work to be a final one.

Can you please help me by explaining why you add the notability notice? As this will help me and others while writing future articles or enhancing existing one.

Thank you for your help and support.

Hello Puttyschool. Yes, it is true that stub articles are works in progress, but stub articles must also establish some notability, which per consensus, is defined as having "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". In this case, there are no more specific notability criteria for computer software (unlike, for example, academics, athletes, TV episodes, music albums, schools, or websites) so that statement, the so-called general notability requirement, is the only option.

This definition probably seems fairly non-intuitive at first glance, but it arose through negotiation between editors, using the never-ending stream of newly-added pages to aid in its finalization. You might like to look though that list for yourself, Special:Newpages, to see what you would keep or delete (if any deletions), to get an idea of the non-triviality of this issue and insight into why it is worded the way that it is.

Getting back to W-PuTTY-CD, I placed {{notability}} on the article mainly because I would like to challenge the writers who wrote it to better explain to the casual reader why this piece of software is worthy of note, or notable. Several statements can establish this, and here are some examples from notable software-related articles:

1. Linux is one of the most prominent examples of free software and open source development
2. Firefox had 19.03% of the recorded usage share of web browsers as of June 2008, making it the second-most popular browser in current use worldwide
3. The GNU Compiler Collection ... has been adopted as the standard compiler by most other modern Unix-like computer operating systems
4. etc.

These are all part of the lead.

I am not saying that W-PuTTY-CD has to be nearly as large a project as those, but hopefully they give an idea of what types of statements, which, by the way, are completely factual and supported by independent, reliable sources, satisfy the notability criterion.

Also know that I came across this article and was not familiar with this topic, so you may better know where this stands in the list of SSH clients.

I hope that this helps. If not, please feel free to ask more questions. « D. Trebbien (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

(As you might guess, there are a lot of new articles about academics, athletes, TV episodes, music albums, schools, or websites.)

Thanks

Your comment on Battery Weed is appreciated. Station1 (talk) 21:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of W-PuTTY-CD

An article that you have been involved in editing, W-PuTTY-CD, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/W-PuTTY-CD. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 16:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thankspam

Thanks for your support in my RFA, which passed with 140 supporting, 11 opposing, and 4 neutral. I will do my best to live up to the trust that you have given to me. If I can ever assist you with anything, just ask.

Cheers!

J.delanoy^gabs_adds 20:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Your Neutral comment for Rlevse's RfB

Hi. I've copied your signature to the top part of your Neutral comment at Rlevse's RfB, so that Tangobot can correctly parse the list of signatures and !voters on this particular RfB. The report, here, throws an error when there isn't a signature after the first paragraph, so I copied your initial signature. This also made more sense if I moved the "Regarding Bureaucrat Tasks:" line to a new line, matching your original signature's indentation. Please double check my edit, here, and revert or edit as you wish. Thanks in advance, UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 13:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you UltraExactZZ. I was wondering how to make "Regarding bureaucrat tasks" start a new "paragraph" from the start. Your changes appear fine. « D. Trebbien (talk) 22:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

original research and software

Dear Dtrebbien I think, but not sure, when software is released in any form it not an original research, but it is a product of final research. Also for software when source code is available, this is a Reliable Source.--Puttyschool (talk) 19:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

By "original research", I mean a style of comment whereby editors write their personal conclusions, rather than re-writing (or re-phrasing) published claims. It is difficult to point to examples, because editors try to remove original research as soon as possible. Also, I do not particularly like the example given on Wikipedia:Original research. So, here are some contrived examples:

1. Mac OS X is more secure than Windows because there are fewer computer viruses which target Mac OS X.
2. A few have claimed that the multiple inheritance feature of C++ is useful. However, most projects can be programmed without multiple inheritance and the diamond paradox can be avoided this way.
3. Though Arthur Cayley and William Hamilton are credited for discovering the Cayley–Hamilton theorem, it was actually Ferdinand Frobenius who proved it in the general case, and the theorem should be credited to him.

I am not sure if these help, but there you go.

• Comment I got it, thanks.--Puttyschool (talk) 23:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

And I hadn't really thought about it, but I think you are right that open source source code can be termed a "reliable source" – in a limited sense. Here, though, the problem is that the source for W-PuTTY-CD is not independent of itself. (Darn reflexive property!)

« D. Trebbien (talk) 23:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

RfB Thank You spam

Thank you for participating in my RfB! I am very grateful for the confidence of the community shown at my RfB, which passed by a count of 154/7/2 (95.65%). I have read every word of the RfB and taken it all to heart. I truly appreciate everyone's input: supports, opposes, neutrals, and comments. Of course, I plan to conduct my cratship in service of the community. If you have any advice, questions, concerns, or need help, please let me know. Again, Thanks! — Rlevse • Talk • 08:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ayaspell

Dear Dtrebbien; Do you think this will be a good article? please if you have time, ask Google--Puttyschool (talk) 08:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Puttyschool. I looked at Ayaspell and did not see a claim (written in English) that can be made about the project to show notability under the current guidelines. (Maybe there is one in Arabic? I was looking for something like "produces the official/default dictionary of Firefox/OpenOffice/...")

I did end up taking a look at the Arabeyes Project, which is notable for being the de facto official localization project for most Unix software. There is already a page, Arabeyes, but would you like to improve it?

« D. Trebbien (talk) 23:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

3 axis stabilized spacecraft

Please check if {{references}} and {{context}} from the 3 axis stabilized spacecraft article can be removed!

Kind regards!

Stamcose (talk) 19:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Stamcose. It's getting there. I have removed {{context}} after adding a basic lead. {{Unreferenced}} should not be removed just yet because the article needs to cite a published work which verifies the main claim of the article (that 3 axis stabilization is used by "most" modern spacecraft). Many things will suffice: a textbook, a journal article, an educational video – anything published. You can write some identifying details about your source below and I will help you to add a citation to the article. Or, take a look at {{cite book}}, {{cite journal}}, or Help:Citing sources.

Regards « D. Trebbien (talk) 00:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

W-PuTTY-CD

Dear Dtrebbien Till now this article Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/W-PuTTY-CD did not receive any (Keep/Delete) comments, I checked it yesterday, found no comments, then add one of my own, in a funny style. Most articles, in the log of the same day, received more than three comments, but this one did not; even a single one. I’m trying to search the guides for this situation, till now I don’t find an answer. What are the procedures if it did not receive any? Thanks and Best Regards.--Puttyschool (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Puttyschool. What will probably happen is the discussion will be "Relisted". Here are some recent examples: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burning of Parliament and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dileepji.

I think that in this case, several editors who normally participate in Articles for Deletion are avoiding this because it is not a clear-cut case. For example, I did not nominate it for deletion, opting instead to add a {{notability}} tag on the article, because there aren't very many new articles about open source software, and there is no strong precedence. Also, while I feel that the subject fails the general notability criterion, I do not object to its existence on Wikipedia. « D. Trebbien (talk) 23:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Martian Monkey

Hi, would you mind telling me what needs to be changed on Martian Monkey that it warrants the cleanup tag? Thanks, ~ AmeIiorate _{U T C} @ 01:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

This is just a minor thing, but there are too many headings; it struck me as unusual. Feel free to remove {{cleanup}} if you like. I tend to place such tags on new pages to challenge their creators with improving them as much as possible while the subjects are still fresh on their minds. « D. Trebbien (talk) 01:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, I've merged some of the sections together and removed the tag. If there's anything else feel free to let me know :) Take care, ~ AmeIiorate _{U T C} @ 02:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

well done!

On 30 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wimmeria mexicana, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Victuallers (talk) 21:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! « D. Trebbien (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

RFH

Dear Dtrebbien I post for you a Request For Help, (RFH) a new invented terminology, in this talk page Talk:Ain_Shams_University Can you please talk the time to understand this talk page, and provide me with a simple guide? Sorry for wasting your time.--Puttyschool (talk) 13:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Puttyschool. Don't worry. You're not wasting my time. I'll be right over. « D. Trebbien (talk) 23:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear Dtrebbien,

Thank you very much for resolving all conflict issues related to Ain Shams University.

Sorry, Still I’m annoying you with questions, I have one more.

I spent about three hours searching for a common license for Egypt public site, Then posted my conclusion in few lines. Then After 12 min, an admin rolled them back, I don’t know the reason. Before post My Adds After remove I don’t care about removal even costing me 3 hours but I want to know the reason.

RFH what was wrong?--Puttyschool (talk) 23:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

other than [do]--Puttyschool (talk) 00:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Puttyschool. It seems that Ashashyou removed your writing, but probably by accident; this is easy to do. I will partially revert.

By the way, every page has a History, which you can view by clicking on the word history at the top. Here is the History view for Talk:Ain Shams University). It looks like this:

File:Revision History of Talk-Ain Shams University.jpg

Those links on the left, "last", go to Difference pages which show what changes were made between edits. The following image shows what the Difference view looks like between your last edit and Ashashyou's last edit to this page:

File:Diff oldid 229484293.jpg

The things on the left in yellow are removals and the things on the right in green are additions. I have highlighted a paragraph that you wrote that was removed with Ashashyou's edit, which is why it is on the left.

It takes a while to get used to this, but it is a very helpful tool, as you can see. More information is at Help:Page history.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 00:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for this information, Ashashyou the User Boxes guy, the one who was Increasing the list or Ain Shams University Faculty of Medicine, Ok I'll remove his words as The Famous, The greatest, ....

Thank you very much.--Puttyschool (talk) 01:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Translation Round 2

Happy to help, however a bit pressed for time this week and next since I'm attending an out of town wedding and then moving. Assuming there's no rush? Mid-month is probably doable, let me know if you need it sooner. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 20:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

:) Sounds like a plan. Hope the move is uneventful too, tracked down a bed today so that's a step in the right direction. Hope yours went well and you're all settled! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 01:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Just a note that I haven't forgotten. I'm *still* moving, just finished painting today. Will try to get to this as soon as I can. TCari ^{My travels} 01:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. There's no rush at all. Besides, I really understand moving :) It sounds like it is going well, though? « D. Trebbien (talk) 12:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

It is, just need to figure out how to get this ottoman on an NYC bus. If I manage that, then it will be really successful! :) TCari ^{My travels} 13:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Hah! That's a feat indeed! And it looks really nice, so how could they say no? « D. Trebbien (talk) 13:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Gave up on thr ottoman, but did get a large bed in a bag. All settled, finally. Your translation is on my short to do list, tomorrow or Thurs at the latest. Mid last week of the month counts as mid, right? ;) TravellingCari 00:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries, happy to help. No moves in the future so I should be around if you need more translations. TravellingCari 01:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Translated text

Whoops, a little late but here you go. If you need some clarification, please let me know.

Dr. Carmen L. Cristobal

Carmen Lelia Cristóbal studied at the National University of Tucuman, where she obtained the title of, “Doctor of Botany” in 1959. Her speciality is the Sterculiaceae family, her doctoral thesis, about the Genus: Ayenia earned her two prizes, in 1960, she received the “Ernesto Padilla” prize, from the Miguel Lillo Foundation, and in 1961 the “Cristobal Hicken” prize from the National Academy of Sciences. She began her work as a docent in Tucuman and at the same time began her work as a CONICET investigator in 1962. She published more than 40 works, in which you find 4 taxonomic revisions of genuses with numerous species, Byttneria with more than 100. She arrived at Corrientes in 1964 in order to work with this faculty as a professor of Botany I. Simultaneously, she lectured as part of the Faculty of Exact Sciences (guessing department name there – hard to translate). It was here she had the luck to be part of the first promotion of students who she taught in Corrientes.

In a faculty of Agronomic Engineers, the Dr., as she had become known, was unmistakable. She received attention for her beauty, her intelligence, her enthusiasm and for her dedication. From her arrival of working with Engineer Krapovickas, man to man, and both joined the faculty in the second round. Thanks to her activity, the Department of Botany was created and soon, Corriente was a site known in national botany.

When IBONE was created in 1977, it already had many disciples (followers – don’t know the term usually used in sciences) and collaborators and the group has only multiplied, the Doctor and the Engineer, counted as grandfathers of the field are working with young people who are the grandchildren of the early followers.

In 1965, the faculty acquired 25 microscopes and 20 Kiowa binocular loops and from then, supervision of optical instruments was under the responsibility of Dr. Cristobal/ When the building was contructed, Dr. was in charge with her own personnel, of calculating the dimensions needed for classrooms microscopy and magnifying glasses, as well as to propose the number, size and layout of the tables that are in use today.

All educational materials that are displayed in the cabinet in the hall was brought by her European Botanical institutions or collected during her travels, and was used for botany classes over forty years.

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Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Diff_oldid_229484293.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. OsamaK 10:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

This image is from WikipediA to WikipediA, Sure you are kidding--Puttyschool (talk) 23:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

He means well. It's okay. « D. Trebbien (talk) 00:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

RFH

Dear Dtrebbien

• In reference to Ain Shams University, I Don't know the reason of {{nofootnote}}, also I don't know if I can remove it by myself, for the second { {cleanup-university} }, I think this is my best clean up.

But for Ain Shams University Faculty of Medicine, DespiteAin_Shams_University_Faculty_of_Medicine#Notable_faculty_graduates (every shorting from me, is followed by an append) I’ll appreciate any comments from you. Thank you for your help && support--Puttyschool (talk) 19:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

• Note W-PuTTY-CD was deleted; I don’t care as I remembered your words, but I’m quite sure than Wikipedia lost it, and it was a very good practice for me--Puttyschool (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

{{nofootnote}} means that there are no in-line citations. In-line citations are added with <ref> tags, resulting in a superscript number in square brackets, like this (view the source):

You can read more at WP:Citing sources#Footnote system.

These in-line citations are helpful for readers to quickly determine where information came from. As such, they usually contain page numbers of books mentioned in a References section, or one of the cite templates ({{cite journal}}, {{cite newspaper}}, {{cite web}}, etc.).

Sometimes ref tags are used for general side comments (clarifying remarks) because they look very similar to how footnotes are typically done in books.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 23:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, This caused an instance reflection on this page Check my history--Puttyschool (talk) 15:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean an "edit conflict"? « D. Trebbien (talk) 02:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I found a lot of spelling and language mistakes you fixed; so I change en-5 to en-4, that’s all.--Puttyschool (talk) 13:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I read a lot, still I cannot map to an example from this page Ain Shams University--Puttyschool (talk) 15:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean. Would you clarify? « D. Trebbien (talk) 02:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

All Referances are valid--Puttyschool (talk) 15:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Q?, what will happen if I removed {{nofootnote}} by myself?--Puttyschool (talk) 16:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Puttyschool, you can remove it yourself, but it might be re-added because there is only one use of <ref> on Ain Shams University. I think that with a couple more, the editor who originally added the tag would be happy, as would other editors who like to fact-check.

{{cleanup-university}} on the other hand has been there for a while, and I think that with your recent changes, it is no longer necessary and should be removed. « D. Trebbien (talk) 02:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess you mint references other than the official web site. I don't know too much about education in Egypt even about Egypt, but I think that the one who originally wrote this document, knows what he was doing? I found the same style in a lot of documents, so it is Ok to keep it till finding more references.--Puttyschool (talk) 13:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Q? Ministry of Education official web site, listed in Arabic only, I think this makes it an invalid reference for English Wiki, I'm in Arabic.--Puttyschool (talk) 15:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I just removed {{cleanup-university}}. « D. Trebbien (talk) 02:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

• Is this Okay Talk:Ain_Shams_University_Faculty_of_Medicine, adding an RFH in a talk page?--Puttyschool (talk) 19:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you can put RFHs on Talk pages. Know though, that not very many people know what this abbreviation means (you kind of invented it), so be sure to say "Request for Help". « D. Trebbien (talk) 23:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

• Q?, what is the revisions policy to establish Fidelity? Babelions creates this before ancient Egyptians who used it since the early days of the culture (7000BC). Discovering wiki is Is challenging, Consumes most of my free time, soon I’ll be fired!--Puttyschool (talk) 20:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Puttyschool you made me laugh. But hopefully you don't burn yourself out on Wikipedia, because editing Wikipedia is supposed to be fun, not tiresome or burdensome.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 23:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Puja Chatterjee

Hi there; the article which I deleted, and which has, incidentally, been deleted in various forms on several previous occasions, indicated that this performer finished up in sixth place in the competition. Had she won it, or even been runner-up, then this would imply notability, but in my view notability stops at some point above 6th place. I should point out that the article does not appear to make any other claim to notability apart from this competition. If I simply re-create the article as it stands, another admin will undoubtedly delete it again. If, therefore, I restore it, do you plan on expanding it to enhance assertions of notability? If so, I will restore it. If you feel that notability is adequately expressed by her 6th place in the competition, then I must ask you to seek a consensus view at WP:DRV. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 10:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

My friend, i do not take offence at your going to WP:DRV, and as you know I suggested that you should do so. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 18:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Harvest Foundation

Was there a deletion discussion on this that I missed? « D. Trebbien (talk) 02:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

This had been tagged for speedy deletion because it did not provide independent verifiable sources that it met the notability guidelines. I agreed with the tag. There is nothing to stop you recreating. Incidentally, if your use of "wholistic" is intentional (seems pointless, since not obvious how it differs from "holistic"), you need to put it in quotations marks to show it's a neologism and not just a typo jimfbleak (talk) 05:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

As lacking independent, verifiable sources is specifically not a criteria for speedy deletion, I respectfully ask that you undelete the article for now and nominate it for deletion instead.

Incidentally, I was curious about the author's use of wholistic, too, and s/he responded about this on the article's Talk page.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 11:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Restored article and talk, left as was prior to SD jimfbleak (talk) 12:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I spent some time looking for references and found none (the same as when I first reviewed it as a new article). Therefore, I proposed that it be deleted. « D. Trebbien (talk) 12:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Semi colon

Your point is taken. Ref. Russula xerampelina. I live and learn. I always thought that it was a cross between a comma and a full stop. Not as final as a full stop , but more so than a comma. I probably do use semi colons in places where they shouldn't be. Thanks for that...and be happy...Luridiformis (talk) 14:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 5 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cyril Tenison White, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you for your contributions! - Mailer Diablo 04:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

re: Summaries

First of all, thank you for running your bot on the Esperanto Wiktionary. All help with maintaining interlanguage links is highly appreciated. One minor thing: the edit summary is grammatically incorrect. Please make it read, for example: aldoni en, fi, fr, hu, it, ja, ko, ku, pl, ru « D. Trebbien (talk) 02:26, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello Dtrebbien, I am sorry, but the summary is not my translation, it is included in the m:pywikipedia-framework, I can sure correct the translation in the script, but still the other bots will make the incorrect summary then, therefore I suggest You add the corrected translations to sourceforge, many thanks, best regards, --birdy _{(:> )=|} 05:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello, please see my response at [4] are the other translations wrong too? Thanks, --birdy _{(:> )=|} 00:55, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Spacebirdy, thanks for pointing this out. I have responded on the Sourceforge page. Regards, « D. Trebbien (talk) 01:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

JIDF

Hi Dtrebbien Please check The Jewish Internet Defense Force And discuss with if any thing was wrong with my edits--Puttyschool (talk) 18:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Puttyschool. I looked though your edits to the article and they appear fine. This one was particularly spot on.

Be mindful of the three-revert rule, though, especially around where you were reverting User:J Hoffer's "is promoting violence, Islamic terrorism, and".

« D. Trebbien (talk) 17:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Dtrebbien

You are a wiki encyclopedia, my knowledge increases with each RFH
About the spot, in addition it is only listed on the JIDF website, not a reliable source, the article is a mess as it is concerned with Israeli-Palestinian conflict, in this conflict, the word Islamic terrorism is used a double sided weapon, one side uses it to motivate the west while other side uses it to motivate the East, this is why I always combat, but the fact is “terrorism” is unreligious and the word itself is dangerous.
To verify my words check right side edit [5] then left side edit [6] and finally my roll back [7] all in few hours.--Puttyschool (talk) 02:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Dtrebbien Please share your point of view, Thank you for your time--Puttyschool (talk) 18:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello again.

I do not think that I will participate in this discussion for two reasons:

1. I haven't been following the progression of this article very well. If I joined in now, I would be ignorant of the history.
2. I think that the article should be deleted in its current form for the simple reason that the article does not contain a statement which shows the Jewish Internet Defense Force to be notable, even after a number of editors have contributed to its content and have had the opportunity to do so. It appears to me that JIDF is a Facebook group that is just as notable as the "Israel is not a country! Delist it from Facebook as a country" group (which of course does not mean that I agree with "Israel is not a country! Delist it from Facebook as a country"'s position) and both are non-notable as of now.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 23:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Dtrebbien for all of your help. You know I’m assuming you are my wiki teacher.
Not only you are speaking in terms of WP:XX but I like your analyzes very much
If you don’t like watching TV like me, this article and the talk page can be an alternative, in addition you will be familiar with what I described as "Cold wars on web"
The most interesting thing, is that if you visit facebook, you will find a lot of groups, holding the same name, but the country name differs, I don’t know what makes such group|s notable except they are created by silly Childs
By the way, I discovered that the name raised as facebook list Palestine as a country, and the first created group was "Palestine is not..." I think this facebook deserves a lot of studies by Stephen R. Covey--Puttyschool (talk) 03:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the compliment, Puttyschool. I am always glad to help out constructive editors. « D. Trebbien (talk) 01:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Dtrebbien
I borrowed the arrows from your signature, looks good, thanks« PuTTY^SchOOL 13:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

A study deserves time to read! « PuTTY^SchOOL 18:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

That is pretty interesting. Thank you very much for the link. « D. Trebbien (talk) 01:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, look at this: "42% of damage incidents ... have essentially no impact." I always wondered about this. « D. Trebbien (talk) 01:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Dtrebbien
According to my POV, this is a very important study, especially that "English Wikipedia" is now one of the most important references used by the entire world
Do you want a practical example, Roll back the history, Even he don’t want to discuss:-)!!!(I’m studying this case; so I don’t want to revert his edits only I'm collecting references, and finally I’ll re-write it when I have time), about the above case(JIDF), I think (my POV) when editors form both sides tried to understand each other they produced a very good article based mainly on WP:RS and a very long talk page
You know it is rare to find such conditions with scientific articles
Still there is a very long time for peoples to believe that Nationalism is outdated. ;-)« PuTTY^SchOOL 13:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm with you Puttyschool. Namely I was very happy to read the first sentence of of the paper's Summary section: Wikipedia matters. This really is true, because Wikipedia is one of the most visited websites on the Internet, and it is nice to see that this fact was acknowledged. Hopefully the popular activity of criticizing Wikipedia, particularly among academics, will start to go away too.

I would venture to say that most Internet users have read a Wikipedia article about something at least once, so I don't really understand why some feel compelled to criticize Wikipedia's existence, when it helps a lot of people to quickly review facts about a topic for free.

(Also, I wrote a few sentences at Talk:Al-Azhar_University.)

« D. Trebbien (talk) 23:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I’m working in the field of Microprogramming and Wikipedia makes me feel that CPUs can bind the whole world, Wikipedia is based on collecting cultures from different places all over the world, but the other bad side is that not all humans are fair by nature, so it has some drawback, studies will show all drawback and the next step must be how to overcome drawback, but totally Wikipedia is one of the greatest internet sites ever found. The strangest thing is when I switch some article, from English to French to Arabic, I found three different POVs, and so I’m searching for a study about this. The third point, I was tracing users, I found (according to my POV) i) some are working in groups. ii) Some for sure are paid for writing. iii) Some are representing X POVs especially who disappear fast. And I think I’ll discover more. So we are following the normal cycle, like the spiral of Stephen R. Covey, we discover drawback, then we solve, then discover more and solve, and there is no end.
Also there is no long term definition for human’s maturity other than “still under development”.
Thank you for your comments on the talk page, But do you know why I’m studding it, it is 1033 years old university, and I found 20% of the article is a about a statement of the Grand Imam, not stated as the university POV, so why to take 20% of the article, and why not to move it to his page. Check which user added it then disappeared, so I believe this article needs a lot of studies and deserves monitoring but I have one drawback, I’m not too much a religious person and I need help from one of editors participating in WikiProject_Islam_members, think about my POV, it is 1033 years old university, in a country with 7,500 years of documented history, is that all “the true encyclopedic materials”. So I was asking Hurmata to document the reason for his changes especially he removed a very important section “the university defined degrees from 1K years”, as I want to understand how things are going. « PuTTY^SchOOL 15:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi My Wiki Teacher, hope you are fine :-) « PuTTY^SchOOL 20:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello PuTTYschool. Yes, I am doing well. Things have been a bit busy, but they always are, you know?

How are you? « D. Trebbien (talk) 14:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I’m fine enjoying my time with Wikipedia, learning more about Wikipedia and the world in general, I think I was encapsulated in a old QFP before joining Wikipedia« PuTTY^SchOOL 20:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Funniest Pets & People

I have removed your speedy delete tag — a rare move on my part — because the SD criterion does not apply to TV shows, unfortunately. A {{prod}} would be entirely appropriate, though (hint, hint). - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 19:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I {{prod}}ed it. « D. Trebbien (talk) 19:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (154/3/2). I appreciate the community's trust in me, and I will do my best to be sure it won't regret handing me the mop. I am honored by your trust and your support. Again, thank you. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow

Before I even got to adding it you had - thanks for that - the Australian project has limited categories/articles about inter-ecological region invasives - still scratching my head on that one (its alright I am bald) SatuSuro 03:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem . I tend to get overly excited when I see new articles about plants. « D. Trebbien (talk) 03:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Its an interesting one in that the great hero von mueller actually created a weed issue in the name of leaving tracks! SatuSuro 03:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I thought that was interesting, too. It was a good idea, but with unforeseen consequences. « D. Trebbien (talk) 03:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Weird watchlist entry

{{Helpme}} I recently saw the following in my watchlist and I am confused:

Hi Dtrebbien. As you can see, my watchlist says that Tinselfairy1 protected Hard to believe that this is legal. Apparently its effects are much more intense than that of weed., but how can this be? I thought only administrators could protect pages.

« D. Trebbien (talk) 00:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

• Probably a glitch. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 00:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)