User talk:Draxis

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Hello, Draxis, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Be Bold

"I'd like to make a quick note, I was unfamiliar with how to edit on Wiki. It is not something I had ever really attempted to do (moreso out of nervousness of doing something improperly)... As per after this debate ends, I will likely stick around as an editor on Wiki simply because this has sparked alot of thought, interest, and creativity - and that my friends, is good stuff. Draxis 18:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)"[reply]

I am glad to hear that... just remember to Be Bold... you did a good job sticking up for the article you believed in, that's a sign of a good editor... whether you win or lose (and we've all lost articles), you did it correctly, without yelling or being immature about it... feel free to message me if you need any help in the future... have fun, and happy editing... - Adolphus79 18:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind words! My first project, besides fighting for The Protomen article to remain is going to be a more simple task. Do you have any suggestions for my user page? I would certainly like to make my first article about myself, as that is something I know a thing or two about at least! Draxis 19:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think everyone just started like yours is right now... mine sure did... as you learn the wiki markup, and as you learn more about wiki, it naturally fills itself in... take a look at other user's pages, and see what you like about their's, then steal it... that's what most people did... ;) - Adolphus79 20:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted?

I'm just curious. As being somewhat new to the Wiki editing side of things, maybe I completely misunderstood the system. But what was the point of us debating and providing evidence for two weeks straight in regards to The Protomen?

That was the article that sparked me to become an editor and since then I've been seeing a trend. Anyone involved on the delete side would never provide any sort of argument, they simply voted per nom delete. I was told it wasn't a vote. Don't get me wrong, I saw plenty of pointing of fingers and sockpuppet this and sockpuppet that.

But what makes no sense to me is the fact no argument, explanation, or evidence was EVER provided to say this band was not notable and clearly plenty was given to show that it did meet certain guidelines to have a home here on Wiki. I'm just curious - and I don't mean any disrespect when I say this, but was it your opinion that mattered all along - not ours? Or was it simply a vote?

It very much seems like this place is based off a "guilty until proven innocent" system. I really believe if you attack someones work it should be your job to explain why it should be deleted. I'd honestly like to understand, because I am now afraid the things that I would personally like to write about would simply be deleted.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Draxis (talk • contribs) 05:22, 2006 June 22

Hello Draxis, thanks for your message. I'm sorry for you that something you spend so much time on has been judged for deleteion. I don't know it it makes you feel any better or not, but your case is not exactly unique - it can happen to new editors and experienced editors alike.

Let me address deletion in a general sense first. We actually start with a presumption of keeping the article. If you want to read through other closed deletions,if it is a toss-up (or "no consensus") then the article gets kept. Articles about people (or people who have come together to form a band in this case) are interesting cases because there are so many people who would love to have an article written about them, or their best friend, or the cool band they saw last week. That is why we have notability guidelines like WP:BIO and WP:BAND.

Another thing about deletion is that people with brand new Wikipedia accounts coming to add to the debate are given different weight than long-standing accounts. As you say, this is not a vote. It is too easy for people to try to "stack the vote" with sock-puppets and by telling all their friends at school "hey, come help me here on Wikipedia".

In this particular case, we have an article that appears to fail WP:BAND. It has already been determined to be deleted by consensus previously. The oringial nominator explained both these two things. Others came and agreed wit the nominator. It is not necessary for them to give long explanations of why they agree with those two points - saying they agree with them is sufficient. The newly arrived editor comments were considered. Overall, no one voting "keep" made any argument that overcomes long-standing community standards (as embodied by WP:BAND) and no evidence the band's notability has changed much since the last vote-for-deletion. That is why the article got deleted by consensus.

I hope you don't let this experience steer you away from Wikipedia. Instead, I hope you will take a closer look at our guidelines as to what sort of articles we are looking for. You may want to spend some time editting existing articles rather than taking a chance on something brand new right away.

If I can be any further assistance in explaining this action, or in helping you with anything else in Wikipedia, please let me know.

Thanks, Johntex\^talk 14:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe one of the major issues here, and one that many have talked about before, is that WP:BAND is horribly biased in favor of artists belonging to RIAA labels, which The Protomen are an independent band performing covers of music from the Mega Man series of video games. Because of this, it is unlikely they will ever be able to satisfy remotely 80% of the requirements for WP:BAND, however, The Protomen have been covered in several reliable sources and have performed at high profile locations such as San Diego Comic-Con. You can cite guidelines and ridiculous Wikipedia lingo all day, but when it comes down to it, The Protomen are quite notable, even if Wikipedia's "standards" do not agree. It's very similar to the webcomics debate. What defines notability is a rough guideline created by ridiculously over-exclusionary methodology, which is ultimately opinion and personal taste rather than based on fact. -- JBladen (talk) 05:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hello Draxis

Gretting Draxis would you like to start a wikiproject?. User:Ja_Volim_tebe send me a comment if you would like to start a wiki project with the users: user:CrnaGora , user:Johntex , and me , user:Ja_Volim_tebe . Talk to us about a wiki project if you want to be in our group :).

hi i was wondering, my friend's last name is draxi, i was wondering where it originated, like what country/region, etc. thanks