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Invitation to RedWarn

Hello, Drat8sub! I'm Ed6767. I noticed you have been using Twinkle and was wondering if you'd like to beta my new tool called RedWarn, specifically designed to improve your editing experience.

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Ed6767, ok I'll have a look. Will let you know. Drat8sub (talk) 21:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		Thanks for cleaning up the China-India skirmishes article! Thanoscar21talk, contribs 23:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanoscar21, thank you very much. The article actually needs a good copyedit after the skirmish over. Drat8sub (talk) 23:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Away from SPI...

... you may have a case for requesting page protection on some of the pages involved. However, given the road which has led to this point, it may look like you're gaming the system to gain advantage in a content dispute.

Your initial accusations of vandalism last week, over a genuine content disagreement (ignoring WP:AGF), and your condescending comment, "repeat after me 3 times", did nothing to help achieve consensus, and very likely helped elevate the dispute to the level it's now at.

Sometimes the best thing to do is to step back and let others take the lead, and this looks like one of those situations. It's passed the point at which "the other side" is capable of seeing your arguments in good faith. Cabayi (talk) 14:24, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Cabayi, a sock puppet is a sock puppet, does not matter if content dispute or not. The ip that you are talking about is the third one, I am talking about 1st and 2nd. They are obvious sock-puppet. The 3rd ip did not make personal attack, thats why I have made case seperately. Case 1 is very clear to any one that they are sock puppet. Drat8sub (talk) 14:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I know there is content dispute and thats why the case 2 is seperately placed and I've written "suspected sockpuppet" because I am now sure but from their words its seems like. Drat8sub (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

2020 China India Skirmish

Drat8sub Your edits are against Talk page consensus. There is very ample evidence to show that most of the injuries that you are reinstating are minor in nature. Please go through the Talk page on this topic Should we mention Injuries?. And regarding the captured soldiers, China has said that it has never detained any Indian soldier. Doesn't 'never' mean 'at no point in time'. So they did not have any Indian soldiers at any point. See this as a proof Chiba says it never detained any Indian soldiers. It is amply clear that at no point of time anybody was captured. You are giving more weightage to speculations than official statements. Kindly revert your edits on this subject. Trojanishere (talk) 17:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)Trojanishere

Trojanishere, that is not per what Chinese spokesperson said, it the interpretion of Aljazeera, The same article quote chinese satement where the spokesperson did not mention "never" or "at no point". Chinese spokesperson clealry said, "presently they don't have". All reliable source says soldiers were kept. Untill and unless there is official statement from Army, or Govt. we have to rely on what reliable sources says. Drat8sub (talk) 17:47, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Drat8sub, The article explicitly says this - 'When asked about Indian media reports on Friday, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said "China hasn't seized any Indian personnel" after the two sides fought with nail-studded batons'. So if China hasn't seized any Indians how can it release them? That's why it is saying that they never captured any. It is simple English. And the article doesn't have this : 'Chinese spokesperson clealry said, "presently they don't have"'. Where does it have it. I have read the entire article it doesn't have it. Read it again.Trojanishere (talk) 17:58, 20 June 2020 (UTC)Trojanishere

Trojanishere, that spokesperson on the same day says, "presently has not detained any Indian personnel". And the above statement is "hasn't seized", not "hadn't", the spokesperson is talking about present condition. I hope you understand where you are getting wrong. He is particluar about the day, he did not mention that they had not captured. Which simply means they did not deny any claim. Drat8sub (talk) 18:03, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Drat8sub. You first said that the claim that they did not have any pows at present is mentioned in the article. This has been proven wrong. Further, how do you know that he said that spokesperson on the same day says, "presently has not detained any Indian personnel"? Where is your citation of him saying that on the same day? And again you say 'He is particluar about the day'. How do you know that? It can also be that it means they haven't captured anyone in the present conflict, which by the way is still going on. So it is still present tense.Trojanishere (talk) 18:21, 20 June 2020 (UTC)Trojanishere

"You first said that the claim that they did not have any pows at present is mentioned in the article"....when did I say that. Secondly, reports are of same date and they mentioned the date clearly in the article. Drat8sub (talk) 18:32, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

PTI said China on friday that it hasn't detained any soldier and Aljazeera said When asked about Indian media reports on Friday which means they are asking him on 20th as Friday is 19th. And soldiers were retuned on 17th/18th June. So, date is very clear. Drat8sub (talk) 22:25, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

HELLO Manjappada Kerala Blasters Fans IS NOMINATED FOR DELETION

Drat8sub CAN YOU HELP ME Iamfarzan (talk) 09:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Iamfarzan, I've just seen that it has been deleted or may b merged, but I don't see the discussion. Can you add the discussion page link here so that I can go through to see on what basis it has been done. Drat8sub (talk) 16:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Coderzombie, can you please clarify, because I don't see the redirect page. Is it deleted per G4 of CSD ?? Drat8sub (talk) 22:39, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I think Coderzombie is doing this because he is Bengaluru fan. he is the top contributor of Bengaluru FC and West Block Blues. if not what's the difference between

West Block Blues, Manjappada Kerala Blasters Fans, The Juggernauts (Ultras) because all three are club fans group. right? Drat8sub. Iamfarzan (talk) 01:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Drat8sub I think this is the discussion page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manjappada and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manjappada (2nd nomination) Iamfarzan (talk) 01:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Iamfarzan, absolutely pathetic and unacceptable behaviour, such an ad hominem attack on any user is totally against the community. He is an experienced editor and created and improved far more articles than we all combine. Before labelling anyone and whataboutry think twice thrice or ten times. Better you apologise to Czombie. Iamfarzan, Czombie has not done anything wrong as he just used the guidelines and that too in appropriate manner. I was also concerned about the article already, thats why I opened a thread at your talk page to know if you are the same user and to see how protographs and information has been added in the article, as I knew it has been previously deleted and I had serious concern because after the sockpuppet investigation when two other accounts were blocked, a blanked Manjappada page was created by one of the closed account which I had to delete per CSD. I can understand the frustration of a page being deleted, but we have to work as a community, but that does not mean you will bring allegation and rivalries and whatever here. No absolutely not. Coderzombie, if you've seen this I am extremely sorry as this is happening at my talk page. And I got the redirect link. I think discussion for the topic is best at the talk page of Indian football project. I am opening a thread there. By the way, Jaggernauts (Ultras) should be deleted immediately, yet to meet GNG for sure, may be will take two years to even make a substantial print. Drat8sub (talk) 03:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

very sorry Coderzombie, sorry for that my friend and i took three month to complete the this article that's why. very sorry.Coderzombie. Iamfarzan (talk) 03:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Drat8sub and Coderzombie how to solve this problem? Iamfarzan (talk) 03:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I am opening a thread at the WP:IFTF, that's the best place to sort it out. Drat8sub (talk) 04:02, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

okIamfarzan (talk) 04:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Requesting to review the new draft

Like you said we created a new draft for manjappada.Now we need your assistance regarding the approval of this page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Manjappada_Kerala_Blasters_Fans -kindly follow the link Shahoodu (talk) 10:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Shahoodu, first it has gone beyond our hand. Why are you creating or making the draft again and again and that too with same materials. I can't do anything in my capacity now. As mentioned by the reviewer you need to get approval from an admin, which I'm not, for creating the article. Better will be give it a time. As I did not tell you to create the draft, rather I said I'll create the draft with necessary materials and with new structure and go for WP:AfC. So keep patience, after a month I will start working on it, right now pre-occupied with some other projects. So, don't worry the article can be created if it has Significant coverage and in this case it has good coverage. Ok ! So, now I hope you'll stop creating the article or the draft. I will surely work on it, right now you need to calm down as it is not helping the creation of the article. Drat8sub (talk) 14:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you drat8...We hope you will consider creating the draft for us after a month.As per your suggestion,we wont be further doing anything regard this..We hope you will surely help us regarding this.And sorry for disturbing you again..Please take your time...Do you mind if I ask you any other wiki related doubts on this talk page?? Shahoodu (talk) 04:57, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Sure, you can ask and you can ping me at your talk page too. Drat8sub (talk) 05:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Thankyou Shahoodu (talk) 03:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

One doubt

As per decision by the admins ,I moved the page Kerala Blasters Reserves into Kerala Blasters Reserves and Academy like the other Indian clubs..While searching on google it is still shown as Kerala Blasters Reserves.Can you explain me why Shahoodu (talk) 06:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Please note its Kerala Blasters FC Reserves and Academy Shahoodu (talk) 06:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Shahoodu (talk) 03:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Shahoodu, wasn't active much on last few days..the above thing may be due to Google algo...I don't have much idea how it works, but with time it gets updated.Drat8sub (talk) 13:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes it worked...Thank you for responding Shahoodu (talk) 03:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the guide

Since I was new to wikipedia and was using a smartphone ,I didnt know much about the rules and guidelines of editing in wikipedia.The first article I tried to edit was Sahal Abdul Samad .It contained nothing but just a few paragraphs.I tried my best to make it a better one.But the way I did the editing was without any neutral point of view.Thanks to you ,now that I know how to write article in neutral point of view.So I want to thank you and need your support in future. Also I want to apologise to you If I had done anything wrong. Shahoodu (talk) 04:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Shahoodu, everybody did mistakes in the starting, I did too and lot. The concept that prevails in public in general anybody can edit in wikipedia is not correct...the correct perception should be anybody can do edit or add anything in wikipedia only with reliable source while keeping in mind the five pillars of wikipedia and the guidelines. Anyway, everybody do mistakes and those who try to learn from those survives and other have to leave, I hope that you are reading those guidelines and policies carefully and will do valuable edits in this encyclopedia. And all the best and ping me at your talk page if you need help but don't ask for support in discussion (WP:CANVAS). Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 05:08, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

I am slowly learning and will not to repeat the mistakes...Thank You. Shahoodu (talk) 05:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Shahoodu, sure..and while replying please use (:) colon with one extra than the previous user. Go through WP:TALKPAGE and Template:Reply to also to know how to use talk pages efficiently. And also go to my user page and when you scroll down you will find templates of wikipedia guidelines, principles, basic imformation etc, add those templates at your user talk page also, so that you can navigate through the policies and guidelines quickly. Drat8sub (talk) 05:44, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

OK Ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahoodu (talk • contribs) 05:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Mistake in Wikipedia article

Hi there, you have mistakenly written New Caledonia in place of India in your page listing the Indian football under 20 wins. Please check and correct the same. Thank you. 2405:201:4006:BA40:E554:9598:ABD7:4EB (talk) 11:12, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, corrected. Drat8sub (talk) 14:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Re:The club thing

Hey! Good find. It's a blog post so I am going to wait a bit longer. Yeah, the guy is quite animated but you also need to keep your cool too. It is very easy to lose face when we start getting all ramped up. But yeah, I still think this team will literally be Mohun Bagan but just under a new ownership... but for now I am happy the name changed to New Kolkata ISL team for now. I was surprised nothing more was made of it but I am more than happy for that. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 21:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

ArsenalFan700, one thing I want add, which I totally missed, about the champions article. Initially I was little skeptical about your proposal of adding Durand and IFA shield thing. But guess what... the argument that isl supporters give for top league is that it gets the champions league slot..right? now when NFL was there, the NFL champions did not get the slot for Club chmapionship, rather the Federation Cup, whereas the NFL champions are the national champions...see the irony. So, yes you were correct indeed we need to add those lists too and write the chronology carefully. Let me know when you finsih the draft lists though I visit your sandbox, in the mean time I will add citations to the existing list in the article. Drat8sub (talk) 23:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

question

why mb page still hasnt updated past tense and dissolving date, or why was new one atk-mb made if could only update details on mb's page which takes similar logo etc. again some users make mess, you said to be reliable so should know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.7.48 (talk) 07:37, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Right now we are having a discussion here, Mohun Bagan A.C. should be moved as ATK Mohun Bagan and New Kolkata ISL team should be deleted. Will be decided after consensus. Drat8sub (talk) 12:42, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

A football for you

	A football for you
	Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Its a request ❯❯❯   S A H A 11:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the football, I appreciate your effort, but this comment was unecessary. There is a thin line between good faith and bad faith, if you persistently do the mistakes and don't understand the policies then not only me, no other editor can assume good faith. Secondly, you are not a new editor, at several occassions I've pointed various policies, mostly regarding sources, manual of style, opinions, structure, edit war etc at various articles so that you can improve those articles specially the EB articles...which I also want to see in better condition & that why always suggest how best you can improve, but now you make me think that I was wrong, I shouldn't have suggest you, you are kinda getting hostile now, seems from your last weeks' editing and comment pattern. I hope you'll be as friendly as you were before and never get personal. Regards. Drat8sub (talk) 17:59, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

ISL

Hi,I've seen that you are a mojor contributer in Indian football related articles. I've noticed that many of them are being neglected and need to be updated. Some low profile specimens are even vandalised hidiously by IP guys. So I need your support to improve such pages. I hope you'll understand. Thank you.ISL fan (talk) 14:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

ISL fan, there are around 1200 articles in the main space related to Indian football. It's sometimes hard to look after all pages. I try as much as possible within a short period of time. But I agree with you, that there are small articles which are constantly being vandalised and are often neglected. You can also stop vandalism and disruptive editing, with the help of the guidelines. Since, you are new to the wikipedia world, let me add a welcome note at your talk page which will navigate you to some core guidelines of wikipedia. Read those guidelines properly. And any time you need help regarding any article, you can ping me at the article talk page to check the matter or at your talk page but remember don't ask for support in any case, it's against wikipedia policy of Canvassing. Hope you will do great here and looking for wonderful contribution. Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 15:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:Civility

Looks like you need to watch what you say as well. For example, in this edit, you make a sock accusation and you should not do that without evidence. Focus on content, not on the editor. --regentspark (comment) 14:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

RegentsPark, yes I know. But I said "may be", as there are ample evidence of it, that section was first added by the user 12, again they restored 3, then finally restored by the IP 4. So it seems like a sock to me. I don't wanted at that point to open an investigation because, wanted to give a chance through pointing out policies. And actually it worked after that it had stopped. Drat8sub (talk) 15:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Above that there were lot of disruptive editing going on in that article at that time by various ips and some users too for which the issues were going out of my hand. Anyway, I agree civility should be maintained. Drat8sub (talk) 15:33, 13 July 2020 (UTC)