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Your submission at Articles for creation: ARRACO Global Markets (March 14)

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
This draft is written from the viewpoint of the company, focusing on what the company says about itself. Corporate notability is based on what independent reliable sources have written about the subject. Not every business corporation is notable, and this draft does not establish corporate notability. You may ask for advice about corporate notability at the Teahouse.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Robert McClenon (talk) 17:09, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello, Dolphinhouse2019! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Robert McClenon (talk) 17:09, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

3O filing

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Please review the instructions for WP:3O. The filing you added was far too long and detailed there. All that is needed is a link to the appropriate Talk page showing that two editors have thoroughly discussed a matter and failed to reach a consensus, and a brief discussion of the issue. In this case, "brief" means I wouldn't exceed three sentences, and even that would be unusually long. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 14:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let me add this about the 3O request. Even if your request had not been so long, the dispute resolution processes at English Wikipedia will not assist with or consider disagreements between a draft article author and the draft reviewer, see this section of the Dispute Resolution Policy. If you believe that the reviewer is wrong and the article is ready to go "live" simply move it into mainspace and remove the draft article headers. Utilization or continuation of use of the draft process is not mandatory. When moved into mainspace it will there be reviewed again by the New Page Patrol and if not marked for deletion, it will likely go live. It may well then be nominated for "regular" deletion by other editors, of course. I would be remiss, however, if I were not to tell you that I believe the chances that the article in its current state will survive that process without being deleted (or possibly being moved back into draftspace) are very near zero and that what you've been told by the reviewer and, based on your comments, at the Teahouse are entirely accurate. What I see you doing on the reviewer's talk page and through Third Opinion is attempting to argue your draft into notability through wikilawyering rather than to find material to bring the article up to Wikipedia's actual standards. That's not going to work. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 17:30, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:TransporterMan - First, thank you. Second, User:Dolphinhouse2019 did not post a question at the Teahouse. They may have had a discussion in a Chat Room with a Teahouse regular; I do not know that. However, they did not ask a question on-wiki at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:19, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:Dolphinhouse2019 - Do you have an affiliation with Arraco? If so, please make the required conflict of interest declaration. If you are not being paid by them, you certainly are acting like a paid editor, providing a wall of text. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:19, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Update and COI Notice: I have struck out the part I wrote above about moving this into mainspace. I note that your username "Dolphinhouse2019" is the same as the location of the home office of ARRACO, "First Floor, Unit 2 Dolphin House, Riverside West, Smuggler's Way, Wandsworth, London SW18 1DF" per the company's web page. That is more than sufficient evidence to believe that you have a conflict of interest, as defined by Wikipedia, when editing material about this company. As such, draft articles written by an editor with a COI must be passed through and approved via the draft process. It is, therefore, incumbent on you to either improve the article to a draft reviewer's satisfaction or leave it in draft for someone else to improve. You should also note that if you are directly or indirectly compensated by ARRACO for working on this article (whether or not you have been assigned that task) that you are required to disclose your status as a paid editor in the manner described here and follow the additional restrictions listed here. Failure to disclose paid editing can result in you being blocked from editing. — TransporterMan (TALK) 18:27, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:TransporterMan User:Robert McClenon Hello both. As i'm new to this, I will fill out the conflict of interest, i'm not being paid specifically to provide a wiki entry though, I work in the operations team. But I realise now you could regard me as a COI. But, my submission is in good faith. I'm not being paid to do this directly, yes I work for the company but that shouldn't be a reason to decline this entry, i'm not writing 'ARRACO is the best in the world, you should only use ARRACO' I've stated facts & backed them up with solid secondary sources and the facts are the facts. This is my first submission but suffice to say was my starting point to understanding this processes & community better... I'm not the devil!

User:TransporterMan I hear what you say regarding wikilawyering, that is/was not my intention, I'm just pointing out my intention to adhere to what's written in the guidance notes, I need to provide with my submission, independent, reliable, secondary sources. Which I've done. If Bloomberg isn't a sufficient, independent, reliable source, then honestly what is ?

By nature of the fact that Bloomberg have written several articles, amongst a couple of other independent sources, with the subject matter of those sources being all about ARRACO & not just mentioning in passing, but the subject matter of the articles, surely gives rise for sufficient notability.

Dolphinhouse2019 (talk) 19:33, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dolphinhouse2019 - We, the volunteer editors of Wikipedia, regard you as having a conflict of interest because you have a conflict of interest. Employment has always constituted a conflict of interest, regardless of the details of how you are compensated and whether you are specifically tasked to write an article. Your submission is in good faith, but is not neutral. You resubmitted it with only a minor change, presumably either in the hope that a different reviewer would have a different viewpoint, or in the hope that your wall of text would persuade the reviewer, or based on a myth about reliable sources. Walls of text more often annoy reviewers than persuade them, but that may not be the point. The myth is that, because Wikipedia requires reliable sources, the key to getting a draft approved is to reference-bomb it with more sources.
Rather than talking to a Teahouse regular in a chat room and reporting on that conversation, it might be a good idea actually to have a discussion on-wiki at the Teahouse. Just making minor changes and posting walls of text and resubmitting is not likely to work, and might even result in the draft being nominated for deletion or in a topic-ban being requested. Try discussing on-wiki, but be concise. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome!

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Hello, Dolphinhouse2019, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited was Draft:ARRACO Global Markets, which appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

To reduce the chances of your contributions being undone, you might like to draft your revised article before submission, and then ask me or another editor to proofread it. See our help page on userspace drafts for more details. If the page you created has already been deleted from Wikipedia, but you want to save the content from it to use for that draft, don't hesitate to ask anyone from this list and they will copy it to your user page.

One rule we do have in connection with conflicts of interest is that accounts used by more than one person will unfortunately be blocked from editing. Wikipedia generally does not allow editors to have usernames which imply that the account belongs to a company or corporation. If you have a username like this, you should request a change of username or create a new account. (A name that identifies the user as an individual within a given organization may be OK.)

In addition, if you receive, or expect to receive, compensation for any contribution you make, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation to comply with our terms of use and our policy on paid editing.

Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{Help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! Robert McClenon (talk) 18:21, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: ARRACO Global Markets (March 15)

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sulfurboy was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Sulfurboy (talk) 21:11, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:ARRACO Global Markets

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Hello, Dolphinhouse2019. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "ARRACO Global Markets".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 01:36, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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