User talk:Doctorpete

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Crotalinae

Hi Doctorpete! I just saw your edits to Crotalinae. Your statements regarding pit viper heat perception look plausible enough (although I think the second one might be debateable), but where did you get this information from? I'm still waiting for some more books to arrive after which I will completely rewrite this article, but I feel that proper references are very important for every scrap of information here. I'd like to keep your comments in the article, but without any references they'll probably end up getting deleted. (PS -- Do you actually have an academic degree, perhaps in herpetology?) --Jwinius 12:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jwinius, thanks for your comments re my edit to the pit viper page. I haven't got my head round how to add a citation yet hence there isn't one on re the sensitivity of the pit organs. The source is "Comparative Vertebrate Neuroanatomy" second edition by Ann B Butler and William Hodos (2005) No I'm not a herpetologist but have always been interested in snakes! regards Doctorpete 18:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! You gave me enough information to find the book at Amazon and fill in the rest. Take a look at the article now to see how I added your reference: the information is mixed in with the text, but only shows up as a superscript number between brackets (a footnote). The second tag is a reference to the first because it has the same name. The reference information itself shows up at the bottom of the article in the "Cited references" section. Personally, I think mixing the reference information in with the text like this makes the articles a bit harder to edit, but it's the best solution we have at the moment.

Anyway, it may seem like a lot of extra work to add references like this to every bit of information you put in an article, but really it isn't. Every time I receive a new book that I plan to use as a reference for the Wikipedia articles I work on, I add it to a text file of common Wikipedia edits. A small part of the text file looks like this:

<ref name="C&L04">Campbell JA, Lamar WW. 2004. The Venomous Reptiles of the Western Hemisphere. Comstock Publishing Associates, Ithaca and London. 870 pp. 1500 plates. ISBN 0-8014-4141-2.</ref>

<ref name="Spa04">Spawls S, Howell K, Drewes R, Ashe J. 2004. A Field Guide To The Reptiles Of East Africa. London: A & C Black Publishers Ltd. 543 pp. ISBN 0-7136-6817-2.</ref>

<ref name="Mal03">Mallow D, Ludwig D, Nilson G. 2003. True Vipers: Natural History and Toxinology of Old World Vipers. Malabar, Florida: Krieger Publishing Company. 359 pp. ISBN 0-89464-877-2.</ref>

<ref name="Sch02">Schuett GW, Höggren M, Douglas ME, Greene HW. 2002. Biology of the Vipers. Eagle Mountain Publishing, LC. 580 pp. 16 plates. ISBN 0-9720154-0-X.</ref>

<ref name="McD99">McDiarmid RW, Campbell JA, Touré T. 1999. Snake Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference, vol. 1. Herpetologists' League. 511 pp. ISBN 1-893777-00-6 (series). ISBN 1-893777-01-4 (volume).</ref>

<ref name="Kla97">Klauber LM. 1997. Rattlesnakes: Their Habitats, Life Histories, and Influence on Mankind. Second Edition. University of California Press, Berkeley. ISBN 0-520-21056-5.</ref>

<ref name="Mul94">Mulder J. 1994. Additional information on ''Vipera albizona''. Deinsea 1:77-83. ISSN 0923-9308. [http://www.nmr.nl/Dei1Mul.pdf PDF] at [http://www.nmr.nl/ Natuurhistorisch Museum Rotterdam]. Accessed 2 October 2006.</ref>

This makes adding references really easy! By far the most work is in the research and the writing. After that, adding the reference is just copy-&-paste. And notice that last reference: it's for a PDF file that can be found on the Internet. (PS -- You can reply here, since I've got your talk page on my [[Help:Watching pages|watchlist.) --Jwinius 22:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Jwinius I think I can see how you did it .. where is the 'common edit' text file which you mention ... is it a file you set up yourself somewhere or a general file which can be accessed via a link? I haven't found the Wikipedia instructions on how to cite very 'user friendly' regards Doctorpete 09:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The common edits file I mentioned is on my PC, here in the Netherlands. :-) I created the file as soon as I noticed that I was writing certain things over and over again. Now I just copy and paste it. I suppose I could make a separate user page for myself here at Wikipedia and copy it all there, but the formatting would be difficult with all the necessary nowiki tags and line breaks. At any rate, it would appear as an unintelligible mess to anyone else but me. BTW, you can find out more about footnotes here. I didn't find Wikipedia's instructions on how to cite very user-friendly either, so if you need any more help, feel free to ask. Cheers, --Jwinius 14:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated..... think I am getting there after a session in the sandbox regards Doctorpete 14:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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