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Ireland

Hi, the consensus and compromise made at Talk:Republic of Ireland was to pipe ROI to Ireland like this [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]]. Please refrain from reverting editors who are implementing this edit. Please be aware that consensus has changed and that your edits could be seen as vandalism. Thank you.194.125.71.23 (talk) 14:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where exactly was this compromise on that talk page. Refresh my memory if your so sure. Otherwise I retain the right to revert. Be specific now. Djegan (talk) 14:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentialy are you a "banned" editor, I don't like been finger wagged by hypocrites. Djegan (talk) 14:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's there on talk page under pipelinking. Everyone agreed to except you actually. Thats consensus, it's unfortunate your opinion differs from it, but it doesn't mean you may revert. How am I banned user? I don't and have never had an account!194.125.71.23 (talk) 14:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I said be specific as to which section - clearly you seam to be able to make an authoritive claim as to who voted what - so which section? A link would be nice. Djegan (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not able to link subsections from a page. As I said its towards the bottom of the talk page, called pipelinking. There was no "voting", thats not how you get consensus, a discussion took place and it was decided that it was the best thing to do. Other than yourself of course.78.16.164.111 (talk) 15:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see this consensus (certainly not for the change). But obviously your pipelinking is just another manner of recognising that "Republic of Ireland" is here to stay. Djegan (talk) 15:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just following consensus, I have no opinions on future consensii until they happen.78.16.164.111 (talk) 15:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to "wait and see" for the next few hours as I have better things to do. But I reserve the right to revert you at any time. Djegan (talk) 15:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello my block-evading friend (and by that I mean the SPA Wikipéire in his various sock puppet forms). To reinforce what Djegan is saying here. Firstly there is no consensus to blanket pipe-linking of every single instance of "[[Republic of Ireland]]" to "[[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]]". Without consideration to context or meaning. In fact, there was specific acknowledgement that, while in many cases pipe-linking may be preferable, in a lot of other cases - where clarity around island V state is paramount - pipe-linking should either be done in a measured way. Or not done at all. Therefore blanket pipe linking every instance actually goes against WP:CON. Secondly, even if there was a consensus, you are not simply pipelinking. You are using your little IP sockfarm to redirect and materially affect the linking of articles. Again, where clarity to the reader is of paramount importance. And finally, per Djegan, the notion that you (a confirmed disruptive editor who was banned for breaching/circumventing the 3RR and CON policies, subsequently banned in other forms for breaches of SOCK, and other blatant infringements of the mores of this project) would be lecturing another user on the mores of this project is just plain laughable. Guliolopez (talk) 15:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Guliolopez - Thanks -- its "nice" to hear from an editor who is mature and responsible. Djegan (talk) 15:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland dismbiguation "task force"

Please see here. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 09:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Your Anglophobia

Your visceral hatred of England is made blindingly obvious by your ceaseless butchery of the beautiful language of Chaucer, Shakespeare and Milton. For shame. But indulge me; what ever do you mean by "twisting references"?

Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 18:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is the best you can do is slag off my English in a vain attempt to convince yourself your right? I have seen how you have misrepresented references on other articles, and on this article in previous times. I have seen how you have engaged in edit wars inserting your own twisted pov. I am quite happy that I reverted you in good faith and that your were at error. I am not going to apologise to you, nor do I need to explain myself here any furthur. Thanks. Djegan (talk) 18:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"You're right", "further", "in error". Your disrespect for our neighbours can be shocking sometimes, DJ. I didn't ask for an apology, I asked for an explanation of a curious phrase you employed. Couldn't you have said "misrepresenting" the first time, rather than "twisting"? Can you see how this might confuse someone whose English is more prosaic than yours? Could you give us an example of this misrepresentation? There's no need to thank me.

Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 12:15, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My point above stands regarding language and explanation. I am quite happy, not withstanding my robust replies, that I have acted in good faith. You are not due a never ending roundabout of the same explanation time-and-time again. Djegan (talk) 15:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't ask for an explanation, I asked for an example. Not the same thing in the English I was taught.

Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 13:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Like I have to answer to you! Djegan (talk) 14:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not just to me. You made a serious accusation about misrepresentation, but when queried, you refuse to back it up. It doesn't do your argument any favours.

Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 09:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Retiring?

Jumpin' Junipers. User:G2bambino, User:Matt Lewis and now you? If this retirement thingy keeps up, I'll soon be the oldest (tenure wise) Wikipedian around. Old age can be lonely. GoodDay (talk) 01:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't consider myself retired from wikipedia, but I do refrain from actively expanding my sphere of edits and watchlist. I do read extensively outside the articles that I contribute to. Djegan (talk) 15:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I was under the impression you were packin' it in. GoodDay (talk) 15:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Flag of Ireland

Having read over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland#Flag_of_Ireland_2 the discussion] on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland on the recent move and the concerns expressed, I have begun a move request on the flag. Your comments would be welcome here.--Domer48_'fenian' 19:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Your revert at IMOS

I don't understand your reasoning for reverting my edit. Surely what was there (copied below) was more of a "discussion" than my edit (which merely referenced the taskforce)?

"A large number of Republic of Ireland towns and villages (and other types of articles too) state that they are in Ireland, not Republic of Ireland in the opening paragraph. This is misleading as it creates the impression that the island of Ireland is one state. A compromise has been proposed at WP:IWNB that the form "is a town on the coast of [[County Cork]], [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]]" should be used. This is already widely used and will allow it to appear as Ireland whilst linking to Republic of, as per Follow local conventions."

The "compromise proposed" was in May 2006! I don't see how it is more suitable for a MOS than what I replaced it with. I see no evidence that the piping was widely used either. I think we should just say what is currently used (as it done at UK), and focus on the taskforce at WP:IDTF. --Matt Lewis (talk) 17:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matt I am not going to get in an edit war with you (but reserve the right to revert you). However I think what you have done is merely a rehash of whats happening in reality and nothing bold or innovative; its not a statement of how things should be done, but instead sounds like a soundbite for a project. Both of us are far to near this issue to be issuing unilateral changes as you did. Djegan (talk) 17:23, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've put it to Talk so people can work on it if they want. I only did it because what was there was so out of date (2006)- the taskforce is the main thing. Given the lst 9 months I don't think it really represents the truth.--Matt Lewis (talk) 17:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Civil

Can I remind you to be civil on the talk page[1], I don't tolerate personal attacks. Thank you. PurpleA (talk) 17:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If your "personal attack" threshold is that low then maybe wikipedia is not the place for you? By all means report me the respective place if you think you have a case. Djegan (talk) 18:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't tolerate personal attacks, but neither am I willing to "tolerate" dubious/spurious claims of personal attacks. Djegan (talk) 18:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't call you "silly" and "unreal". Do I? "semi-United Ireland cross-dimensional sillyness", was particularly offencive. PurpleA (talk) 18:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With respect I am commenting on your comments - and I did not use those two words quoted above, but rather variations of. Don't follow overacting by misquoting. You digging a hole for yourself and now it is time to stop. Read the policy, then come back to me. Djegan (talk) 18:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

View it as you will. Have a nice day. PurpleA (talk) 18:37, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How could this help anyone?

Why this revert? [2]. I've never seen a poll being made for a harmless page break! Are you insisting on one? Or are you just generally as unhelpful as you can possibly be? The section has got hard to manage now - and not everyone's PC can handle long sections.--Matt Lewis (talk) 22:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By all means create a page break but not above a vote or midpoint of a discussion thread as you did. What you did was just confusing. Djegan 22:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The last vote is a natural break in discussion, and people can clearly see a poll is going on. --Matt Lewis (talk) 22:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By all means - but after the last vote/discussion - not above/midpoint. Please don't force the issue, as you were patiently incorrect at that. Djegan (talk) 22:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was never 'mid-point' (said in lowercase or caps!) - it was merely and sensibly above the last vote. I've placed it at the bottom now, with a note. Have you ever thought of actually helping Wikipedia? --Matt Lewis (talk) 23:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thats what I am doing right now. Djegan (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You write this new edit note, after your initial revert and this discussion on it? Is being annoying in your blood? --Matt Lewis (talk) 23:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Before you get preachy you need to read your own ~~comments~~ rants. Djegan (talk) 08:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it is "annoying" then wikipedia is not the place for you. Djegan (talk) 08:29, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to look at some extended logic in that statement: When the wilful "it" has annoyed people, it was thus an attempt to make Wikipedia the wrong place for them. Somewhere just too offputting to be around, perhaps? You might want to look at your logic elsewhere too, like in your 'critical' comments within the RM. --Matt Lewis (talk) 12:07, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-Retirement

Hiya Djegan. Why'd ya semi-retire back in February (2008)? GoodDay (talk) 23:19, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that was not 2007? Its all on my user page. Djegan (talk) 08:19, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Correction (2007). Anyways, are you still semi-retired? GoodDay (talk) 14:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I'm just curious. Ya don't have to respond to my questions. GoodDay (talk) 16:45, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - I am semi-retired for the reasons stated. Some people appear to think that I am *only* involved to poison the waters, this is entirely incorrect. I still have a very strong and genuine belief for high standards across wikipedia, but particularly in all things Irish. Moreover whilst I am something of a champion for no change with respect to Ireland naming, this is an entirely in good faith and I make no apology for robust discussion - everyone agrees here on one thing; the stakes are high, not just personally. I respect those who differ in my opinion, and those who I disagree profoundly with give just as good as they get. However even in the final appeal I am convinced that no solution, presented as yet, offers a total solution and therefore I cannot agree an inferior part-change. And as a clarification to the previous sentence this *only* applies to wikipedia; it is not a political statement. Djegan (talk) 23:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's all interesting (truly it is). But I wasn't asking for explanations of your Ireland views. I was just curious as to why you still had your semi-retirement thingy on your User-page (as I assumed you were fully active again). GoodDay (talk) 02:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am still semi-retired; I do not expand the range of articles that I edit, and indeed I only do a minimum of "editing". Most of my contribution is in terms of removing vandalism/nonsense, contributing to polls and such limited activities. Djegan (talk) 22:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 00:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Talk:Ireland

Thank you Djegan, I did indeed notice it wasn't directed at me. :) By the way: Some editor interpreted my comment as directed at you...it wasn't. It was just a general note as I noticed the mood changing. Best, --Cameron * 16:36, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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It's ok now, I reverted the vandalism that had removed the FUR. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 05:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request for arbitration of Ireland article naming dispute

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As a result of this case, the community is asked to open a new discussion for the purpose of obtaining agreement on a mechanism for assessing the consensus or majority view on the appropriate names for Ireland and related articles. If the discussion does not result in a reasonable degree of agreement on a procedure within 14 days, then the Arbitration Committee shall designate a panel of three uninvolved administrators to develop and supervise an appropriate procedure. Until such procedures are implemented Ireland and related articles shall remain at their current locations. Once the procedures are implemented, no further page moves discussions related to these articles shall be initiated for a period of 2 years.

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National Diplomas...

Hi there. I think you might be able to help me. I am trying to differentiate between the National Diploma in Ireland, the UK BTEC National Diplomas and non BTEC National Diplomas offered in the UK. What do you think I should do. I renamed the Irish Diploma to National Diploma (Ireland), but now I don't have a clue what to actually write about the title of NAtional Diploma its-self??? Crazy-dancing (talk) 16:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would start by mentioning that the standard is generally above that of second level education, but below that of a university degree (can a comparison be made between the different countries standards?). Also that the qualification is generally specialised, i.e. a particular area of the arts, business, sciences, technology etc. Most National Diploma courses tend to prepair people for the world of work often with specific employment paths in mind (often practical rather than academic). Djegan (talk) 16:55, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]