User talk:Diyako/Archive1

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Thank You

Thank you Mperel.

Choni

Hi Diyako..Yes I think I can help you.I have some information here http://www.meforum.org/article/17 and also in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamishli and http://www.gateserver.net/Topicdetails.aspx?Topicid=1451&name=&catid=445&topicname=Qamishli..Theres a lot of proof that Assyrians found the city Qamishli at google.come etc..In persian wiki do you write in persian or? Because i dont know persian but i can help you to write about it in english. --Sargon 22:08, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

80.111.190.220

I've blocked him. Thanks for helping to stop the vandalism. In the future, to request a block, you should also add him to WP:AIV so that other administrators would know as well. --Nlu 17:53, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Stub sorting

Hi there, I notice you've been adding a lot of articles recently about locations in Iran and tagging them as stubs, which is good. What would be even better would be if you could use the {{Iran-geo-stub}} or another useful stub type from the list of stub types, which reduces the workload on the Stub Sorting project members and enables people who expand articles to find relevant articles faster. The {{stub}} template is deprecated, so it is generally not used any more. Stifle 19:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you stifle!Diyako 10:37, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Diyako

two Category is not well

which belonged to kurdistan must to be in Category:Kurdistan and not Kurds

Hey

Can you see my messages??!!

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Yes!!

Diyako 22:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Diyako, Let's be reasonable. I have given sources. You have not provided even an expired and incredible(?) source. You think it is the way to do things here? The document written by H.C. Lawrence Smith and the site Encyclopedia of Orient are current. Just because you don't like it, does not mean that it is wrong. The other documents by a Kurdish group allagedly has old figures. But even if it is like that, it does not change anything. If the population increases, then both Turks and Kurds increase. The ratio would still be the same, more or less, because both groups have similar rates. You say: Do not forget the kurdish population is terriblly growing. I don't know what kind of an argument that is and I leave it to you. Accept the reason. You can not take it forever. I will stop editing for now, only to calm things dawn. I will, push this until a truly neutral and correct article emerges. And don't get me wrong, this all about the article. I don't know you, therefore have nothing against your personality. You on the other hand have called me names. It's ok. I understand. No hard feelings. --TimBits 19:24, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Proper editorial conduct

I advise you to cease your ad hominems on the West Azarbaijan page.

Also, I strongly advise you to stop following me around inciting edit wars.--Zereshk 20:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You told me: "...have been ignored by ppl like you". People like me? And what are people like me exactly like? That is an ad hominem. The definition of ad hominem is very clear.

And why did you follow me to Khuzestan? The map you posted there does not belong there because there are specific pages that discuss Khuzestan's ethnic population.

Furthermore, it is illegal to take down the POV tag until the dispute is resolved.--Zereshk 21:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

No. I do not remove. this is zereshk who remove and revert credible information. and changes the name of the map. You can cheque the history of the page. Thank you Diyako Talk + 22:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

You did not remove anything; for that matter, neither did Zereshk. I have checked the page history, I find that you continue to revert his changes, inciting an edit war. The page will continue to be protected until the issue can be civilly discussed and resolved at the talk page. --Wikiacc (talk) 23:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Wikiacc. D iyako Talk + 01:12, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Mediation.

Your request for mediation regarding your conflict with TimBits about the content of the article West Azerbaijan has been accepted. I'll be mediating, serving as a deputy mediator, providing that both parties accept.

The key to good mediation, I think, is knowing what is being disputed. Here's how I'd like to proceed:

1.) The dispute in question seems to be about specific factual material. For clarity, if for nothing else, I need a total understanding of what the factual material in dispute is. The request for mediation did not include that information. This is what I would like:

a.) The specific material that you are trying to include and which is being disputed. I can (and will) get material from the article history for my review, but I want a clear understanding of the disputed material from your perspective before we get into that. I don't want an argument for the inclusion of the material. I just want to know what it is.

b.) Citations and sources for the material discussed above. I don't want an argument for the validity of the sources. I just want to know what the sources are.

2.) In every dispute that gets to this level, there's bound to be a personal element beyond the factual debate. I'd like a summary of your specific complaints in this matter. Namely:

a.) I'd like you know what point-of-view the other user is unfairly pushing. I do not want an argument as to why your point of view is better or more accurate. I just want to know to what end you believe the other using is making the challenged edits. I do not want extensive evidence that the POV is being pushed.

b.) I'd like to know what tactics against policy the user is employing, if any, to push this POV or to personally punish you for promoting your own. (This doesn't include whether or not he is citing his facts. I am more interested in personal attacks, excessive reverts against policy, et cetera.)

3.) I will digest all of the above and we'll move to the next phase.

I prefer not to rush these things, as time gives tempers a chance to cool. The reason that we're starting out this way is pretty simple: I want to make sure that we all know what we're fighting about. It's amazing how often disputes get this far without the participants ever being entirely clear on what's disputed; they get so caught up in the argument, they forget what they're arguing about! I think making sure that's clear is the best way to begin.

Here are my rules and/or guidelines:

1.) I prefer that we work through e-mail. 2.) During the process, I reserve the right to ask other users, involved or otherwise, for their opinion on the matter. Outside perspective is good, is what I say. 3.) Questions that you may have for me before the process begins can be dropped on my talk page. It'll keep things more organized and we can proceed from there. 4.) Really: No arguing in phase one. If need be, there will be arguing of facts later. It's just distraction at this point.

Looking forward to working with you both.

Tom Lillis 12:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just an update on the process--I have been in touch with TimBits, and he is amenable to proceeding with mediation. We're going to wait on starting up until he finishes with exams in a week or so. Happy editing. Tom Lillis 18:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Warnings in English, please

Please write your warnings in English (or at least make them bilingual). It makes it difficult for other people to read and to judge whether the person has been adequately warned. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 16:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Nlu I did not warned him I suggested him to create an acount! Thank You.D iyako Talk + 16:34, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hi

Sekkiz is a Turkey Turkish word but in azeri we say Saggiz.
I think both kurds and turks as well as other minorities in iran should prove their rights, but they shouldn't fight against each other. W.Az has a significant kurd minority, and they must have their cultural rights. Ignoring other ppl doesnot help u.
Every realist kurd knows that kurd population in most central and northern cities of W.Az is less than turks. anyway turks and kurds live together in these cities and discussing about which ethnic group is major, doesnt improve their condition.
you persist on Kurdish majority in west azerbaijan and you think west azerbaijan is a kurdish province. ok I agree, but does it change the facts?

Dear Hamed

Sekiz (and not sekkiz) yes it is a turkish word and in azeri it is saggez BUT the name of the city is Saqez (from the turkish word sakiz or in some pronociation Saqiz) which means GUM. If the name was saggez (the number 8) so people could pronouce (gg). Also we should remember many people think the name is derived from the name sakkais the name of an ancient people who once lived there!!
Ignoring other people help noone.
In west Azerbaijan not only in towns we should NOT ignore Townships and RURAL as well as remote areas which their population is mostly Kurdish!
It does not change standards of living for the kurds (nor the Turks) in this province. It has no political benefits, not cultural, not ... anything. But we have got a true and accurate statistics of one province of one country in this world!! only this! nothing else.

Thank You D iyako Talk + 00:00, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Stop messing the page!!!!

Diyako,

You are ignoring wikipedia policies.

I am warning you to stop making unilateral changes to the Iran page, without discussing it with the dozens of Iranian editors we have that wrote it.--Zereshk 22:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What you are talking about I replaced a better map which shows religous minorities ~in Iran, those about 10 millions people who are not shown in your maps. Is not your edits unilateral??!! I am ignoring wikipedia policies??!! You warn me??!!

))::: D iyako Talk + 22:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I and 10 other Iranian admins wrote the goddamn page of Iran and West Azarbaijan. Your map on the Iran page was not voted by the Iranian editors as being the best ethnic map to present for Iran, and does not contain the names of nearly 80 ethnic groups of Iran. It only shows a dozen. That's why it is inaccurate.

If u continue messing the pages we have collectively worked so hard on, then consider yourself warned.--Zereshk 22:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And your map does not show religious minorities it is some kind of ignoring religious minorites if we remove the map! D iyako Talk + 22:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's because the map is supposed to be about "demographics", not "religious minorities". (meaning of demographics)--Zereshk 22:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WARNED? YOU THREATEN ME!!!!!!!! )))))))):::

D iyako Talk + 22:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Acceptable solution

Making a religion section is a good solution. We used to have such a section there anyway. Please dont remove the main ethnic map anywhere. The ethnic map on the Demographic section should be the map on the Ethnic minorities in Iran. But you can post your map on Religious minorities in Iran too. It belongs there. --Zereshk 23:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead and post your map here as well ---> The article needs a map: Religious minorities in Iran.--Zereshk 23:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

THANK YOU ZERESHK THAT ACCEPTED MY SOLUTION.THANK YOU. D iyako Talk + 23:30, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep posts to other people off my talk page. There is no need to call each other names, nor is there a need to become so angryt with each other4. If both of you could calm down good work would be possible. if you look at last night's edits - everything was possible to agree upon. Refdoc 13:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Az didgahe in khanom/aqaye zereshk har ki ke ba un hamfekr nabud wa bekhahad haqiqati ra ashkar konad tajzietalab, wa be qowle ishan ahmaq ast wa ya baz be qowle ishan liaqate ehteram ra nadarad (che didgahe maskherei!!) Aya in eyne fashism nist? eyne racism nist? waqean ke! Zereshk! 1 daqiqe be karhaye xodet fekr kon to az hamme ZEDDE IRANITARI makhsoosan ba in harfat. Dige ham be kasi towhin nakon. chon bishtar chehreye khodeto neshoon midi. I am busy right now and I will translate it later D iyako Talk + 11:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I see discrimantion here too. You should remove his lies against me of your talk page but you have not done. D iyako Talk + 15:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I did not remove your sentence dt any personal attacks - though this in itself is obviously reason enough to remove some posts, but simply because you wrote to him on my talk pages. While he wrote to me, you wrote to him. This should be on your page or on his. But to be honest, I could do without all this and feel both of you should cease accusing each other - life would be a lot easier - particularly as you both are actualy quite capable of working together. Refdoc 16:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Refdoc, As you see I do not start accusing him. I only reply what he writes against me. I have no problem with Zereshk if he has not with me. Thank you

D iyako Talk + 17:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The best approach to people accusing you is to remain quiet and concentrated on the task - either they stop and reflect or they expose themselves as bullies. Zereshk is not a bully. He is an excellent contributor with some firm ideas - and like you reacts angrily when upset. I have a lot of respect for him. I have also seen that you want to contribute and can contribute very usefully -s please simply ignore further perceived insults and get on with the task. Refdoc 17:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Qazi Muhammad

Hi there, we have to keep wikipedia neutral. Please try to do so. You may be a fan of this guy. But here is not anyone's personal page! --Kelsenwy