User talk:DiploCult

For you

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:50, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent email

Thank you for your recent email. However, I prefer my discussions on Wikipedia to be transparent. I would be happy to discuss the issues you raised here on your talk page, but will leave it to you to initiate that discussion here. Regards, Voceditenore (talk) 09:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your kind availability,Voceditenore

The issue:

My personal page in English has been deleted back in 2017 and redirected to the page of one of the organizations I've founded EMMA for Peace

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Paolo_Petrocelli

The objective:

I would like the community to consider the possibility to re-create my personal page and fix the issues on the EMMA for Peace page too. I am not an expert editor and I don't want to annoying any of the senior editors here. Just trying to solve the issue in a professional way, finding someone that is available to "study" my case and help me to make the proper steps.

Over the years, I've learnt a lot about the policies of Wikipedia. I believe at this stage I can provide all the reliable secondary sources needed both for my page and additional ones for EMMA's page.

I appreciate your kind attention Voceditenore and I hope we can work together to solve the issue.

Hello, DiploCult, I've had a look at the links you provided as well as conducting my own searches. In my view there simply isn't enough significant independent coverage to justify a stand-alone article on Paolo Petrocelli at this time. At most, a bit more information on him, provided it is reliably and independently sourced, could be added to EMMA for Peace. Unfortunately, my time on Wikipedia is quite limited at the moment and I could not undertake this myself. I'll contact an editor who made some very constructive edits to the article in 2020 to get his opinion on this. In the meantime, given your conflict of interest (COI), I suggest you make incremental suggestions for corrections, improvement, etc. on Talk:EMMA for Peace, preferably using Template:Request edit. Another possibility for a separate Paolo Petrocelli article is for you to create and work on Draft:Paolo Petrocelli and submit it for assessment by independent editors when you believe that you have provided the type of references required (in-depth coverage of him in independent reliable sources—no press releases, no blogs, no personal websites) and have written it in entirely neutral language. If you take that route, you will need to declare your COI on the draft talk page.

I'm also going to be frank about your editing practices up to now. You must pick one account and use that only. You appear to be editing under both this account and Musicdiplomacy (talk · contribs). You also need to refrain from editing while logged out. If these edits are yours, please be aware that editing while logged out can be considered a form of sockpuppetry, and that under no circumstances should you introduce copyright text into an article. I would also strongly recommend that you cease hiring paid editors to work on articles about Petrocelli himself as well as the two institutions associated with him. I note that a paid editor has created Draft:Stauffer Center for Strings and only admitted this after challenges to their editing. These sorts of practices create mistrust in both you as an editor and in the content of articles with which you are associated. I hope this helps, Voceditenore (talk) 15:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Voceditenore, DiploCult is Paolo Petrocelli, They admitted so at the very beginning of their email to me. So WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:COI should apply....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:56, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, William, I am fully aware of DiploCult's identity, hence my advice to him re his COI. DiploCult, I know you have already been pointed to the guidelines at WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY (a particular kind of COI), but I strongly suggest that you read through them again carefully before embarking on a draft article. Voceditenore (talk) 16:23, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Voceditenore, many thanks for sharing very clear inputs. This is extremely helpful. I will follow your kind advices for both pages.

I have started creating a draft for Paolo Petrocelli for assessment by independent editors. I'm collecting all the most important reliable sources and using a neutral language. I will update you all here when I'm ready to publish the page. For EMMA for Peace page, I'm wondering if it would be better to wait for the editor you were talking about, before adding any changes.

Hello Voceditenore, I have drafted out an article for Paolo Petrocelli. I've done my best to collect all the most relevant and reliable sources (more than 40), referring to top international newspapers like Financial Times, The Time, National Geographic, institutional websites of United Nations, UNESCO, major universities like Harvard, Yale. I believe the article is written with a very neutral language. Before submitting it to independent editors, I would really appreciate if you could have a look at it and get your comments on it. So that I could eventually adjust it even more and better before sharing it with the community. Where can I show you the article? Thanks a lot for the continued collaboration.

Where is this draft article?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ...William, I haven't published the draft article yet. I was waiting for your feedback first. Should I publish the page here Draft:Paolo Petrocelli? Thanks

Dear ...William, dear Voceditenore

I've published the draft following all your instructions/advices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Paolo_Petrocelli I really did my best to learn how to edit everything properly, according to the Wiki rules. I would very much appreciate if you could please guide me towards the next steps. Thanks for your kind assistance.

Dear ...William, dear Voceditenore

Just wanted to inform you that I've submitted the draft for assessment by independent editors, following standard protocol and your advices. Thanks

Your submission at Articles for creation: Paolo Petrocelli (October 9)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Deb was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This just sounds like a self-congratulatory CV

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Paolo Petrocelli and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Deb (talk) 03:43, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, DiploCult! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Deb (talk) 03:43, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Paolo Petrocelli

Hello, DiploCult. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Paolo Petrocelli".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗plicit 13:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]