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The article List of stars larger than any closer star has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Fails WP:GNG since there is no coverage in reliable sources. The page also relies on WP:SYNTHESIS.
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Nomination of G0.238-0.071 for deletion
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Radius of VV Cephei
[edit]Special:Diff/1228541985 Actually the radius of 779 R☉ uses a distance (~1000 pc from parallax) that is very close to the noiseless distance from Bailer-Jones et al. (1018 pc), which makes it reliable, despite the large astrometric noise in parallax. Using this distance and the angular diameter (7.251 mas) it gives 794 R☉, just 15 R☉ of difference. 21 Andromedae (talk) 20:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just because it is close to a value that might be accurate doesn't mean that it is too. The Bailer-Jones distances are also questionable for red supergiants as they use optical parallaxes which are often inaccurate due to RSGs having angular diameters larger than their parallax values and have inhomogeneous surfaces. The "rpgeo" value is somewhat better than the other one but still should be taken with a grain of salt. SpaceImplorerExplorerImplorer 07:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is still the most recent data we have. I have no doubt that it is trustworthy. The error bars are acceptable for a red supergiant, which is too distant to have its distance accurately measured. We don't need to dismiss the new data just because it may be inaccurate, all other estimates may be as well. 21 Andromedae (talk) 10:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Newer" does not mean "more accurate". I used a radial velocity measurement to approximate the distance and got to ~1.85±0.45 kpc, which is a lot higher. Also, a low uncertainty doesn't automatically make the data used for it more accurate. There could still be interferences.
- Masers can also be used to very accurately determine an RSG's parallax, they aren't too far away. Here is the paper for my previous claim about optical parallaxes by the way. SpaceImplorerExplorerImplorer 11:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know that “newest” doesn’t mean “most accurate”, but we still can't rule out the recent measurements, because we don't know if they are less or more reliable than the older one, or if they are unreliable. Almost all RSGs will have significant uncertainty in the distance, including VV Cephei, which has distances ranging from 600/750 pc (Gaia/Hipparcos), up to 1,500 pc from Bauer (2008) or more. 21 Andromedae (talk) 11:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- About the very low temperature of 3396 K, it is caused by the low luminosity estimated by Baines (2021), only 73,000 L☉. If we use 116,000 L☉ from Ayres et al. (2022), it gives 3,815.9 K. 21 Andromedae (talk) 12:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is still the most recent data we have. I have no doubt that it is trustworthy. The error bars are acceptable for a red supergiant, which is too distant to have its distance accurately measured. We don't need to dismiss the new data just because it may be inaccurate, all other estimates may be as well. 21 Andromedae (talk) 10:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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