User talk:Dezignr

Hello Dezignr.

You have been invited to join WikiProject Industrial design, a WikiProject dedicated to improving the Industrial design-related articles on Wikipedia. You received this invitation due to your interest in, or edits relating to or within the scope of the project or the Design Portal. If you would like to join or just help out a bit, please visit the project page, and add your name to the list of project members.

You may also wish to add to your userpage:
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Industrial design/Userbox}}
and to the top of your talk page:
== WikiProject Industrial design (announcements) ==
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject_Industrial design/Announcements}}

Know someone who might be interested? Please pass the message to others by pasting the code in their talk page:
== WikiProject Industrial design and Design Portal ==
{{Template:WikiProject_Industrial design/Welcome|~~~~}}

Thanks,
AlainR345^{Techno-Wiki-Geek} 06:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome!

Hello, Dezignr, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! --Ronz (talk) 17:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Hardy (designer) footnotes

I put it on the talk page of the article, but maybe it's better I write this on yours. Please read section 4 of WP:CITE (4.1 in particular) and use <ref></ref> tags and {{reflist}} to create proper footnotes. It will make navigation of article and editing of footnotes much easier by automatically linking and numbering them. Also, don't clutter text with multiple footnotes for a single statement. No statement needs more than 2 footnotes to be verified by reliable sources. Something like this:^{1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10} really breaks the flow of the text and draws undue attention to a particular fact. Finally, don't leave bare links in the text (like at the end of the intro), as it is a violation of WP:EL, convert them to footnotes if need be, if you don't change them to a full reference, a bot like DumZiBot will eventually convert them to something following the manual of style, but only if it's within ref tags.--Boffob (talk) 12:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, doing references is not that complicated. You simply need to write the references inside ref tags where you want to put it. Like so: Statement.<ref>Reference</ref>. You don't need to number them there, in fact, it's better not to. This will create a numbered footnote, but to have the footnotes display at the bottom, you need to put {{reflist}} in the References (Sources, whatever) section (no need to rewrite the footnote content). Here's a concrete example (just edit the page to see how it looks): all I'm citing is the guidelines.^[1] You can also read the manual of style.^[2]--Boffob (talk) 02:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My sources

^ WP:CITE
^ WP:MOS

You're welcome. The article looks much better now.--Boffob (talk) 19:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: Minor edits

You're probably not even aware, but you've been tagging your edits as minor. --Ronz (talk) 02:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More FYI

I've restored the discussion in Talk:Tom Hardy (designer) In general, such discussions should be kept per WP:TALK. Note also that much more latitude is given to you with your own talk page.

You should take a look at WP:COI as well. I don't think you need to disclose anything about yourself, nor do I think that you've violated WP:COI in any way that's evident. --Ronz (talk) 14:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moving a page

The general instructions are located at WP:MOVE. There should be a tab at the top of the article, and if the new name is not taken already, it shouldn't require request to an admin.--Boffob (talk) 01:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pop Art

I started a dialogue - on the talk page...Lets discuss there, that's the protocol. Click Here:[1] Modernist (talk) 21:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I started another discussion here: [2] please add your opinions there also for other editors to weigh in....thanks..Modernist (talk) 21:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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WikiProject Industrial design and Design Portal

I recently posted the following text on Wikipedia regarding the creation of a new Visual arts/Technology-related project in Wikipedia:

WikiProject Industrial design is a Wikipedian community that aims to better organize information in articles related to Industrial design (also called Product design).

If I'm cor-rec-to, there are about 900 articles on Industrial design in Wikipedia...

At least, it's more than for Typography, and there IS a Typography WikiProject...

And it's more than the Fashion WikiProject with 482 articles...

There is also an Urban studies and planning project and a Video games portal so...

Now you can also see a proposal for the Design Portal. (that portal would be for Industrial design AND Graphic design/Interior design)

Please support this initiative,
-- Alain R 3 4 5
^{Techno-Wiki-Geek} 23:11, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dezignr! I missed your March entry into our small gang... I just added your name to the list of participants on the project. As I take a look at your contribs, I understand you are mostly interested in improving existing (Industrial) Design articles. That's great! We need that a lot. I may refer you to this page for ideas. Also, you may be interested in getting fresh news by including these two lines somewhere. Thanks for your support, --AlainR345^{Techno-Wiki-Geek} 23:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
==WikiProject Industrial design (announcements)==
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Industrial design/Announcements}}

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Conflict of interest?

I vaguely recall discussing WP:COI-related issues with you years ago, but I'm not sure if I recall correctly if you disclosed your identity in those discussions. A great deal has changed over the past few years in Wikipedia's policies and guidelines concerning conflicts of interest, so you might want to review them again, especially WP:DCOI and WP:FCOI.

Any COI aside, the requirements of WP:BLP are very rigid, and some of your edits need to be rolled back or better referenced. My rule-of-thumb is that if there's no third-party source available, it probably doesn't belong in a BLP. --Ronz (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Ronz - Thanks for the heads-up about policy/guideline requirements and third-party sources. I will review then assess the edits and roll back accordingly.

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Ronz - Removed content without third party references and adjusted some references for clarity. As a result of fixing third party source problem, issue template was removed.

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Thanks for responding here and with the edits. I'm definitely confusing you with other editors that work on the same and similar articles. If you need to disclose your interests, especially with Tom Hardy (designer), please at minimum add {{connected contributor}} to the article talk page. --Ronz (talk) 18:02, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I've retagged the article. First I'd like to get the COI concerns settled: I'm not finding any disclosure from you after a quick skim of your editing, so perhaps the COI tag is unwarranted. I expect you know by now that you don't have to disclose anything. Given your interest in Hardy and the geographical location of the ip address you sometimes use, some sort of explanation would be helpful. --Ronz (talk) 17:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ronz - Firstly, my view is that postings I have made on Hardy's page meet the Wikipedia neutral point of view (NPOV) - "...fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, presenting significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic". The material is not subjective and is based on verifiable facts. Documented material and related reference sources cited can be found across numerous online websites, including Hardy's LinkedIn page and business website, as well as published articles and books. Secondly, regarding the COI concerns, the tag is unwarranted. The interest in Hardy's accomplishments is to document the chronology of a design professional who has made verifiable contributions to the field. Dezignr (talk) 11:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for addressing the COI concerns.

I'm going to ask for outside review to see what others think of the content in general before we go into specifics. --Ronz (talk) 16:26, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Before seeking a review, we need a discussion on the talk page. I've started one, using the first paragraph of the article body as an example of the problems in the article. --Ronz (talk) 17:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ronz - I could not locate the talk page discussion you started. Please advise as to location. Meanwhile, I studied other Wikipedia pages of similar notable individuals in the design field, such as Jonathan Ive, Karim Rashid, David M. Kelley and Bill Moggridge, then reorganized the Hardy page to be what would appear to be more encyclopedic. Dezignr (talk) 21:25, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop removing the improvement template. Even if you had found the discussion and responded to it, removal of the template is inappropriate. It's there to identify that there is a dispute requiring assistance.

The discussion is here: Talk:Tom_Hardy_(designer)#Resume.

(Could you link the articles you reference in the future?) Jonathan Ive is a class C article, so probably not something that will help much if at all. Karim Rashid is stub-class, and looks to be a mess. David M. Kelley is unreviewed as of yet. Bill Moggridge is stub class.

If you want to find articles as examples to follow, look through the lists linked from WP:GA. --Ronz (talk) 22:52, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ronz - Thanks for the discussion link + guidance for benchmark articles as examples to follow. As a result of reviewing this material, I significantly revised the Hardy article for improvement in context of being more concise, neutral and encyclopedic, rather than resume-like. This revision should justify removal of the 'improvement template'. Dezignr (talk) 04:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'd like to quickly get some other editors involved that can help you understand what is and is not encyclopedic. Given the lack of accessible references, I don't know what progress we can make though. Most editors are going to look at the references and decide it's not worth their time. Whatever we do, we need to get the discussion happening on the article talk page rather than here, so others can see what's been going on. I'm going to copy the last few comments from this discussion to the talk page. --Ronz (talk) 17:21, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edit-warring against the Biographies of living persons policy

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

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I thought our discussions had been going smoothly. I hope they can continue that way. --Ronz (talk) 16:55, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Hardy (designer) - Encyclopedic Version

Ronz - It seems like the most prudent way to proceed in resolving the 'resume' editing issue of the Hardy article at this point is for me to: (1) spend time conducting further research into the referenced sources in the article, (2) study encyclopedic writing style / examples and then (3) compose an encyclopedic-style draft for review. When finished, I will not edit the article with draft text but will post it here on the Talk page for review and discussion. This approach seems reasonable given your earlier point that other editors will most likely not spend time to search out the reference sources and compose an encyclopedic version...whereas I have some time + knowledge of the design field + have access to a number of the reference source pubs and know people who have access to the others. Dezignr (talk) 18:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I think that could help a great deal. However, it looks more than a little odd that you're not participating in the article talk page discussions.

Concerning the sources, I wrote Talk:Tom_Hardy_(designer)#Making_the_refs_accessible_for_verification to point out some things that could be done to improve the references in general and to specifically help make the information be easily verifiable.

Let me know how I can help. I'll try to set aside some time to look for online versions of references. --Ronz (talk) 20:24, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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