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Teahouse

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Signing messages

It helps a lot if you put four tilde characters, ~~~~, at the end of your messages. This will be automatically converted to your "signature" which, unless you customized it, will contain a link to your user or user talk page or both, and the time and date. If you want to see how it looks, you can experiment in your personal sandbox, User:DestinationFearFan/sandbox. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:17, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! DestinationFearFan (talk) 22:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome

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Thanks for this template! DestinationFearFan (talk) 19:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Aurora Negro moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Aurora Negro, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 19:46, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I have added more sources and information, as well as moved the title from Aurora Negro (rabbit) to Aurora Negro. DestinationFearFan (talk) 18:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I saw the list of pages you think should be created

Before starting, please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fairfield County Infirmary. That was a "mass articles for deletion" discussion in which several topics that were featured on the Destination Fear (2019 TV series) television show, including most if not all of the topics you listed. All but two of the pages nominated were moved to "Draft" space. The names are the same, except they now starts with Draft:. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 18:13, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Ohhhh, alright. I see that now as I look at them. When I look at the drafts, it seems that the drafts/deleted articles need more reliable sources, and should focus more on the history than the paranormal. DestinationFearFan (talk) 18:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Leapmotor

I recently made some changes (which you reverted) to Leapmotor which separated the "Sales" subchapter from the "Concept vehicles" chapter, fixed some minor errors, and most notably changed the model list to be much more compact and simpler. The reasoning for that was because usually articles on vehicle companies on Wikipedia do not have model lists in the format you had made. The format is also largely unneeded since articles for the Leapmotor S01 and T03 already exist. I highly suggest that a wikitable similar to this one be created, which I can easily do for you, but I would like your opinion first.

I am also going to point out that I have moved Category:Leapmotor Vehicles to Category:Leapmotor vehicles as per WP:CAPITALIZATION.

WaddlesJP13 (talk) 00:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that revert. I meant to click "thank", but hit "undo" instead. I will fix that now. Also, thank you for fixing that category.-DestinationFearFan (talk) 16:26, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Linking a file the easy way

I saw you are using web-links for images on your user page. You can wikilink a file, or for that matter a category or a different-language page by putting a colon in front of the name and treating it like any other wikilink:

• [[:File:example.jpg]] is File:example.jpg
• [[:Category:Wikipedia image placeholders]] is Category:Wikipedia image placeholders
• [[:es:Cutberto de Lindisfarne]] is es:Cutberto de Lindisfarne (Spanish Wikipedia)

The colon at the beginning "turns off" the "special" behavior normally associated with File:, Category:, and non-English-language-Wikipedia links and makes them act like normal links. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok thank you! That does seem a bit easier. DestinationFearFan (talk) 17:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

It took me awhile to figure this out. One good way to learn is to edit pages that have things in them like tables, pictures, links to pictures, etc. with "visual editor" turned off in your preferences. Preview your changes all you like, but don't save. If you need to save something, copy the page's "wiki-code" to your sandbox and play with it there. By the way, using a : doesn't "hurt" regular links - [[Encyclopedia]] and [[:Encyclopedia]] do the same thing. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Visual editor was a good way at the start, but now, visual editor takes 10-20 minutes to load. I do use my sandbox a lot though. DestinationFearFan (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah, so there's another reason - slowness - to keep VE turned off? I'm old-school and since they don't have a working teletype-editing-mode I'm stuck with the classic editor. Say, you know where I can get some carbon paper, I'm running low. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Got to love 21st century technology. Also, no, I do not no where to get carbon paper 😂. Possibly Amazon. Everything is on Amazon these days. DestinationFearFan (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

You are invited to join WikiProject Islands!

You are invited to participate in WikiProject Islands, a group of editors dedicated to developing and improving articles about Islands. If interested, add your name to our list of members.

Bordrin moved to draftspace

Please see comments on page. MrsSnoozyTurtle (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Bordrin has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Bordrin. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 01:28, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Your thread has been archived

Hi DestinationFearFan! The thread you created at the Wikipedia:Teahouse, Draft:Bordrin, has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days (usually at least two days, and sometimes four or more). You can still find the archived discussion here. If you have any additional questions that weren't answered then, please feel free to . The archival was done by Lowercase sigmabot III, and this notification was delivered by Muninnbot, both automated accounts. You can opt out of future notifications by placing {{bots|deny=Muninnbot}} here on your user talk page. Muninnbot (talk) 19:03, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Your thread has been archived

Hi DestinationFearFan! The thread you created at the Wikipedia:Teahouse, Sandbox, has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days (usually at least two days, and sometimes four or more). You can still find the archived discussion here. If you have any additional questions that weren't answered then, please feel free to . The archival was done by Lowercase sigmabot III, and this notification was delivered by Muninnbot, both automated accounts. You can opt out of future notifications by placing {{bots|deny=Muninnbot}} here on your user talk page. Muninnbot (talk) 19:03, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for responding to my message at the Teahouse. I was just wondering why IP’s can’t create userpages because there is some stuff on my talk page that would fit better on a user page. Again, thanks. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 17:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@47.227.95.73 Your welcome. I strongly suggest that you create a Wikipedia account, and then you can create a user page.DestinationFearFan (talk) 17:40, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Chinese Cars

Hello, DestinationFearFan. I've seen that you have interest in Chinese cars like I do, and you have recently created a lot of good articles on EV marques, so I invite you to join the new WikiProject Chinese Cars, dedicated to expanding the Chinese automotive industry topic across Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. If you do not have the time to join it or you are not in the mood, that's alright, and anyone is free to join anytime! The WikiProject currently has only one member as of right now, me, but I have invited other users to join the WikiProject. WaddlesJP13 (talk) 17:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

@WaddlesJP13 Thank you so much for invitation! I would be delighted to join your WikiProject. DestinationFearFan (talk) 17:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

EV Valley

Hi -- the page EV Valley that you created is entirely sourced from the website of the company that built it. I'm not convinced that it passes the general notability guideline for inclusion on Wikipedia but I could be wrong because of course much of the coverage could be in Chinese. Do you have any idea where we might be able to find other sources for it? CapitalSasha ~ talk 21:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@CapitalSasha I had trouble finding sources for that development. Maybe the sources 1, 2, and 3 will help give it credibility. Your thoughts? DestinationFearFan (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

These look like good starts -- are they about the same development? They don't seem to use the term "EV Valley".... CapitalSasha ~ talk 01:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

@CapitalSasha Yeah, they don't say EV Valley, but the image is of the correct and same place. I will continue looking for sources. DestinationFearFan (talk) 01:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for February 19

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Toyota QuickDelivery, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Hino.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:31, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Categories

Categories are not simple metatags, you should always add categories such as Category:Cars of China or Category:Vehicles by brand to any new categories you create so that humans and maintenance bots can find them. If you look at Category:Bordrin vehicles you'll see I've done that in a fancy way, with code that automatically picks up the company name from the category name so you can just copy and paste the code to other articles without having to change anything. Also, you don't generally need to use {{topic cat}} unless you need to distinguish a topic category from a set category that might have the same name; {{catmain}} is the usual way to link to the relevant article. Le Deluge (talk) 11:53, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thank you! I, of course, am still learning all the tricks about Wikipedia. Thank you for fixing the Bordrin category! I will also make sure to do that to the rest of my created categories on Monday.DestinationFearFan (talk) 16:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Recommending Fandom and Facebook as sources to a new editor

Hi DestinationFearFan,

before helping others with writing articles, please read WP:RSP, specifically the entries about Facebook (also: WP:PSTS) and Fandom/Wikia (also: WP:USERG).

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

ToBeFree I and Cyphoidbomb have already tried to steer this user in the right direction, but they are entirely resistant. They haven't learned anything about sourcing, but they have learned how to remove such advice from their talk page. I'm not sure if this is a competence issue or something else, but they really need to stop creating new pages until the understand what a reliable source is. Mo Billings (talk) 19:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh my. :) Thanks, Mo Billings.

DestinationFearFan, you are welcome to boldly experiment especially in sandboxes. However, this learning approach only works if you equally welcome others' advice about such contributions. And it starts to become really disruptive, to the point of requiring prevention by a block from editing, if you give bad advice to new editors, who then acquire the same habits and spread the disruption in good faith. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I will do my best to stop making disruptive edits with bad sourcing. DestinationFearFan (talk) 16:33, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you find an answer to your question to ToBeFree "Why isn't Fandom a reliable source"? Mo Billings (talk) 17:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I did. That is why I deleted that question. DestinationFearFan (talk) 17:12, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

And made Special:Diff/1008901913 in the very next edit, citing a blog, likely without editorial oversight and apparently run by a single person ("© 2021 Matt Gasnier", WP:BLOG), an unprofessional-looking car sales website (okay, debatable), and a Facebook page that at least seems to be run by the company itself. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:41, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I just disabled my ad blocker and the privacy mode that prevented the popups and banners from appearing. I take "debatable" back... ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:48, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

So, are you trying to tell me not to use [1]? I also don't see any ads on the website. DestinationFearFan (talk) 18:22, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

I personally would use neither bestsellingcarsblog nor auto-che (your browser's tracking prevention may prevent the obtrusive amount of Google Ads from appearing) nor Facebook. Of the three sources, the company's official Facebook page is at least somehow usable for uncontroversial statements about the company. However, if these are the best sources locatable about a topic, that would be the point where I'd abandon the topic for a lack of reliable independent sources that detailedly describe the subject. WP:42 tries to summarize this problem. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I am going to create that page as a redirect, as I have found that it is another company from Dongfeng Motor Corporation. DestinationFearFan (talk) 19:26, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I will try my best to take and follow your advice. DestinationFearFan (talk) 19:35, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Bestune T55 for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bestune T55 is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bestune T55 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Mo Billings (talk) 19:32, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

February 2021

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Toyota concept vehicles (2020–2029), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. You have added various fictional vehicles in this article, all of them without reliable source. Guesses, rumours, and original researches are not encyclopedic and should not be added to the article. Andra Febrian (talk) 04:32, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Andra Febrian: Please see https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/33954855.html?_ga=2.17567162.246570257.1614190609-1797646371.1614190609, or look at the talk page.Thanks! DestinationFearFan (talk) 16:00, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 month for persistently adding unsourced or poorly sourced content. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:22, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

DestinationFearFan (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

How have I "constantly" added information that is unsourced. The only thing that I have been told was on Toyota concept vehicles (2020-2029). And when I was notified, I worked with Andra Febrian to resolve the issue. Could you please explain in more detail? DestinationFearFan (talk) 16:27, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Decline reason:

One open unblock request at a time, please. — Daniel Case (talk) 03:59, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This is a long-term issue, as discussed above. You have been warned about this behavior multiple times, and you have seen and removed the warnings, such as in Special:Diff/1007770341 and Special:Diff/1006195968. A lack of proper sourcing has been an issue since 2020, see Special:Diff/994642515 for example. Not even our long discussion, in which I have explicitly mentioned blocking as a possible remedy, prevented you from adding unsourced material to a Wikipedia article, using unrelated photos to illustrate things that actually don't exist. The behavior is spread across multiple namespaces, so not even a partial block was possible. The only thing I'm glad about is that a) there will be no further such issues for at least a month, and b) you've not been editing biographies in this way, or you would long have been blocked indefinitely. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:54, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

DestinationFearFan (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

The rabbit page was for not enough sources, and I deleted the "suggestion" message from my page because it was about my Sandbox, not an actual article. And the examples you gave were not about sourcing, except for the rabbit one, so is there another reason why I am being blocked? DestinationFearFan (talk) 17:55, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Per below, welcome back ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:50, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm not concerned about the removal of the warnings: The removal just shows that you have read the messages. But how was this not about sourcing?

If I see correctly, all of this was about sourcing/verifiability. Now that I had a look again, Special:Diff/1006065070 (the edit Special:Diff/1006195968 mentioned) was even biographical. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

The biographical edit was a message on the Teahouse. The user said that their edits were continuously bring reverted, and asked for someone to do it for them. They left the birth date. DestinationFearFan (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

So, somebody at the Teahouse said that their unsourced change was continuously being reverted, so you did what, exactly, to find a reference for that birthdate and submit it with proper references? If the answer is that you did nothing, then it's unclear to me what relevance your response has in a discussion about how you repeatedly added unsourced content to articles. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:56, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

No, the person at the Teahouse said they used multiple sources, but they were reverted many times they tried, from how I understand it. DestinationFearFan (talk) 19:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

2601:644:8102:150:f182:546b:f1d5:c117

Is this you?

2601:644:8102:150:f182:546b:f1d5:c117 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

Please answer quickly and clearly. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:50, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

...not by continuing to edit while logged out, of course. Using your account, I mean. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I assume the talk-page affecting block prevented you from answering the second request. I have restored talk page access from the IP address; you're welcome to reply here after logging in.

DestinationFearFan, when looking at Special:Contributions/2601:644:8102:150:f182:546b:f1d5:c117/64, I believe that this wasn't the first time you've edited while logged out. Doing so intentionally is usually problematic; please be careful and always log in when editing. In the future, after the block is over, such editing would likely be interpreted as an attempt to mislead and an attempt to avoid scrutiny.

I interpret the block evasion as a genuine mistake per Special:Diff/1009665119, although the mistake raises concerns about your understanding of the block reason: The block is not meant to prevent further occurrences of your account name in edit histories. It is meant to prevent further disruptive editing from you as a person. The block is limited to a month because I genuinely believe that after a month of reading and thinking, you will have acquired the knowledge and self-reflection needed to continue editing Wikipedia.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:11, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@ToBeFree: Yes, that is me, and yes, the block made me unable to respond. Thank you. I will stop editing not signed in. DestinationFearFan (talk) 22:29, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, that was not my intention when disabling talk page access for the IP address. I know that the combination of "talk page access disabled" and "affects logged-in users" has this effect, but I didn't think about it in the moment. Semi-protecting the talk page for a few hours would have done the job. Thank you for your understanding and the quick reply both back then and now. No worries from my side regarding the block evasion, it really seems to have been a mistake. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:33, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@ToBeFree: No problem. I understand the reason why I and my IP address have been blocked, and I support the block. Looking back at my edits, I wish that I would've taken the time to really understand sourcing. I will come back when my block expires to start new. DestinationFearFan (talk) 22:36, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

If you don't mind, as soon as the block expires, I'll replace the entire content of this talk page by a welcome message for a clean start. That's my usual approach after unblocking an user manually, but it could also be helpful here. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@ToBeFree: That would be very much appreciated. I feel that would help a "clean start" mindset. Once expired, could you place all the content on User talk:DestinationFearFan/archive? DestinationFearFan (talk) 22:55, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:59, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. DestinationFearFan (talk) 03:03, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

About the block

@ToBeFree: Hello, is there any way that I can be unblocked ONLY on the page User:DestinationFearFan/uploaded files, since I am still actively uploading files? I understand if the answer is no. DestinationFearFan (talk) 20:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

The block has served its purpose anyway. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:50, 13 March 2021 (UTC)