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From: Northamerica1000(talk) 02:01, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Wow. I didn't think I'd have to explain this to an admin, but here goes. {{db-user}} states that user pages or subpages are applicable for speedy deletion if requested by the user who created them (i.e. me). WP:SP regards talk page archiving as a subpage, as given at WP:SP#Allowed uses #6. If you want, I could go back and replace them all with {{Db-g7}}, but I'd rather not waste my time. And before you even bring up WP:UP#DELETE or WP:DELTALK, it clearly states that user talk archives created by page move are not deleted by speedy, but the pages I've requested were not done in this way, and were merely created as separate archives for my talk page. So please delete the pages I've requested, or leave them alone so someone else does it, thank you.--十八 05:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
- The template language is not binding, the policy is CSD#U1, which states:
U1. User request.Personal user pages and subpages (but not user talk pages) upon request by their user. In some rare cases there may be administrative need to retain the page. In exceptional cases user talk pages may be deleted via Miscellany for Deletion (see right to vanish); they are not eligible for speedy deletion under this criterion.
- CSD#G7 doesn't help you either:
G7. Author requests deletion.If requested in good faith and provided that the only substantial content to the page and to the associated talk page was added by its author. (For redirects created as a result of a pagemove, the mover must also have been the only substantive contributor to the pages prior to the move.) Note that this does not apply to user talk pages, which are not deleted except under very exceptional circumstances: see WP:DELTALK. If the sole author blanks a page other than a userspace page or category page, this can be taken as a deletion request.
- WP:SP and WP:UP are editing and content guidelines, respectively, and do not trump the policy at WP:CSD. If I need to research how you created your talk page archives, they aren't eligible for speedy deletion. Please nominate them at WP:MFD and explain the situation with links to history showing the moves.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 22:14, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, but it does seem pretty ridiculous that I have to go through bureaucratic red tape to get the same result. Shouldn't there be a speedy template for just this type of non-controversial deletion? I understand that not deleting talk pages created through a page move makes perfect sense, but when these are just archives of said talk page, it shouldn't matter, and you know it once more. I swear, there should be a {{db-archive}} or something just for these cases which can be used specifically when the archive was not created by page move; it seems crazy that users have to go through MFD for something so trivial.--十八 03:39, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
- Well, it's not really as much of a pain as you think. If you'd approached me directly, at a different time when I had time to burn, I would have said, "point me to the places where I can see that these were copied in, not just the initial edits on the pages to be deleted but the diffs on your talk page", if you'd done that, I would have considered deleting them for you without the process. At the same time, if you'd nominated them on MFD, that would have been exactly what you would have done and, although it's been a long time since I was active at MFD, I'd be willing to bet that they'd be closed after a week without any discussion or maybe even speedy closed. The main point is that you'd point the admins to the evidence that these weren't page moves, rather than making them hunt. You're right this is a bit of too much process for your situation but it's caused by some people trying to archive and then delete talk pages to hide things. Everyone who does something stupid causes more rules for everyone.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 05:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, but it does seem pretty ridiculous that I have to go through bureaucratic red tape to get the same result. Shouldn't there be a speedy template for just this type of non-controversial deletion? I understand that not deleting talk pages created through a page move makes perfect sense, but when these are just archives of said talk page, it shouldn't matter, and you know it once more. I swear, there should be a {{db-archive}} or something just for these cases which can be used specifically when the archive was not created by page move; it seems crazy that users have to go through MFD for something so trivial.--十八 03:39, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue LXXX, November 2012
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