User talk:David Gough

Welcome!

Hello, David Gough, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

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Finishing the disclosure

Hi David

Thanks for making the partial disclosure at your userpage and for your note at COIN.

Under the WP:PAID policy you must disclose your employer and the client and the affiliation; sometimes (as in the case of freelancers) these are the same; sometimes (as in the case of an employee of a PR or digital marketing firm) these are different. Contractors for PR or digital marketing firms should also be sure to disclose the company contracting with them.

Would you please clarify the relationships in your disclosure at your userpage with regard to any intermediaries between you and the client? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 17:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your awareness...

Hi David

You seem to have the basics of our COI management process pretty well down -- disclosing, and offering content for review, as you did here. That's great!

Many, many paid editors just have no awareness of all this when they come here. I am curious as to how you learned about all this. Would you be willing to explain?

Finally

Just so you have the whole ball of wax, here is the whole procedure:

There are two steps to the process:

disclosure your employer, the client, and any additional relevant affiliations
offer content for review, prior to it publishing:

a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have, create the article as a draft through the WP:AFC process, disclose your COI on the Talk page with the Template:Connected contributor (paid) tag, and then submit the draft article for review (the AfC process sets up a nice big button for you to click when it is ready) so it can be reviewed before it publishes; and

b) And if you want to change content in any existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to

(i) disclose at the Talk page of the article with the Template:Connected contributor (paid) tag, putting it at the bottom of the beige box at the top of the page; and

(ii) propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself. Just open a new section on the talk page, put the proposed content there formatted just as you would if you were adding it directly to the article, and just below the header (at the top of the editing window) place the {{request edit}} tag to flag it for other editors to review. In general it should be relatively short so that it is not too much review at once. Sometimes editors propose complete rewrites, providing a link to their sandbox for example. This is OK to do but please be aware that it is lot more for volunteers to process and will probably take longer.

By following those "peer review" processes, editors with a COI can contribute where they have a COI, and the integrity of WP can be protected. We get some great contributions that way, when conflicted editors take the time to understand what kinds of proposals are OK under the content policies. (There are good faith paid editors here, who have signed and follow the Wikipedia:Statement on Wikipedia from participating communications firms, and there are "black hat" paid editors here who lie about what they do and really harm Wikipedia; there is an overall negative feeling in the community about paid editing, due to the negative history. That is something you will want to remain aware of, and be ready for).

But understanding the mission, and the policies and guidelines through which we realize the mission, is very important! There are a whole slew of policies and guidelines that govern content and behavior here in Wikipedia. Please see User:Jytdog/How for an overview of what Wikipedia is and is not (we are not a directory or a place to promote anything), and for an overview of the content and behavior policies and guidelines. Learning and following these is very important, and takes time. Please be aware that you have created a Wikipedia account, and this makes you a Wikipedian - you are obligated to pursue Wikipedia's mission first and foremost when you work here, and you are obligated to edit according to the policies and guidelines. Editing Wikipedia is a privilege that is freely offered to all, but the community restricts or completely takes that privilege away from people who will not edit and behave as Wikipedians.

Also, per the WP:COI guideline, if you want to directly update simple, uncontroversial facts (for example, correcting the facts about where the company has offices) you can do that directly in the article, without making an edit request on the Talk page. Just be sure to disclose with respect to that edit, and always cite a reliable source for the information you change, and make sure it is simple, factual, uncontroversial content. If you are not sure if something is uncontroversial, please ask at the Talk page.

That's it! Jytdog (talk) 17:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]