User talk:Daveterran

Tony Terran

I appologize. I'm new to content publishing on Wikipedia. There was a recent article about my dad that would support the information I put in his article. I think this could be considered a legitimate reference. I will add it to his article. I look forward to your feedback. Thanks.

Dave

Tony Terran

Let me be blunt: you are not a reference; that is, personal testimony means nothing, and neither does "look him yourself up on Google". See guidelines on reliable sources, citations, and orginal research, not to mention the general biography guidelines here and WP:MUSIC. --Calton | Talk 23:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References/Sources for Tony Terran article page:

I have included some of the web pages that mention my dad working with some of the artists listed in his article page:

http://www.carolkaye.com/www/biography/index.htm http://www.bigbandlibrary.com/desiarnaz.html http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=21320 http://www.answers.com/topic/i-m-breathless http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takin'_My_Time http://www.answers.com/topic/takin-my-time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Terran http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/related/Burt_Ward.html http://www.dougpayne.com/lmd.htm http://www.geocities.com/jaoll/barry/albums/americans.htm http://cdbaby.com/cd/terran5 http://www.jazzdisco.org/fantasy/1959-dis/c/ http://www.dougpayne.com/mwnotes.htm http://home.flash.net/~motodata/ http://www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/album/album.cgi?ALBUMID=540341 http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=75596026024&z=y http://www.united-mutations.com/p/van_dyke_parks02.htm http://www.101cd.com/detail.aspx?productid=85664 http://uk.shopping.com/xPC-Music_Elvis_Presley_Easy_Come_Easy_Go_Speedway_Double_Feature_Original_Soundtracks http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazzrecordrequests/pip/bw2wk/ http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,156365,00.html

Dave

I just added another reference (a published book) with the page number that mentions Tony Terran. This is the most reliable and verifiable source available on the wrecking crew. Tony and Hal did many recording sessions together in the 60s and 70s.--Daveterran 00:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dave

Sentence that mentions Tony Terran on page 56 chapter 6 (Phil Spector & The Wrecking Crew) in Hal Blaine's book

"Steve Douglas was usually on sax along with Nino Tempo (April Stevens and Nono had the big hit Deep Purple), Jay Migliori and Roy Caton on trumpet along with Ollie Mitchell and Tony Terran."--Daveterran 00:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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TT

Hi Dave, I have cleaned up the article a bit, you might care to wikilink to the other famous artists, films and TV shows. I don't suppose your dad everworked with Charles Fambrough or Henry Fambrough? Rich Farmbrough, 19:25 14 January 2007 (GMT).

It's a pleasure. Henry was (is?) in The Spinners, Charles a jazz bassist, solo, and with Wynton Marsalis among others. I have never met either of them, and don't know if they're related. Rich Farmbrough, 23:56 14 January 2007 (GMT).

Thanks for making the enquiries. No, I am not a musician, although I like to sing. Rich Farmbrough, 21:16 15 January 2007 (GMT).

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Hey Dave!

It's Ryan, the trombonist. Fancy running into you here. DeFaultRyan (talk) 17:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Tony Terran

Please provide an edit summary when you edit any article on Wikipedia. I reverted your unconstructive edit here.--Biografer (talk) 18:56, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced or poorly sourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Burning Love. Binksternet (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I am adding my dad's recording credits based on royalty payment statements from distribution funds such as AFM & SAG-AFTRA Distribution Fund, which I get as a beneficiary of my dad's recordings. There are other online resources such as All Music, Discogs, my dad's website, etc. that cooberate that my dad played on these recordings. Recording credits are quite incomplete on Wikipedia pages, and I'm just trying to make it more accurate! Daveterran (talk) 18:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The first thing is that Wikipedia is not supposed to contain every possible fact. Instead, Wikipedia is designed to be a summary of published knowledge.

Your dad's royalty payments are not considered a reliable source on Wikipedia—they haven't been published. See WP:Reliable sources.

The discogs website can be changed by anyone logging in, so it is considered unreliable on Wikipedia. See WP:USERG and WP:ALBUMAVOID.

I have seen your dad's name in a few AllMusic credit lists, but many of your contributions are not supported that way.

Your dad's website is not considered reliable. See WP:SPS.

What you need to focus on are published accounts of your father's contributions and collaborations. Binksternet (talk) 19:50, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is Allmusic considered reliable for recording credits? I see they're listed in yellow at RSP. Tony's credits are here [1]. GA-RT-22 (talk) 21:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can see why AllMusic is not so reliable for biographical details. Your link to Terran's credits include the album Music Box by the Monkees, but surfing to the AllMusic credits for Music Box shows no trumpet and no Terran,[2] so clearly this is not a well-managed database. One would have to go to other sources for Terran on Music Box, for instance albumlinernotes.com which says Terran played on two unremarkable songs on that album.[3] (I don't know whether albumlinernotes would be considered reliable. It's self-published, so that's not good.) Binksternet (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Tony Terran. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Why are you erasing facts that I had on my dad's Wikipedia page? What is your rational for doing it? I don't appreciate your power tripping when you have absolutely no credibility on the subject matter of this content! If you think the information is not accurate, then prove it. It is all 100% correct and I can back it up with royalty statements that prove all of Tony Terran's recordings listed. Daveterran (talk) 05:46, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stay off of my user talk page. Binksternet (talk) 04:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daveterran, I happened to notice this dispute in passing. The fact is that those royalty statements are WP:PRIMARYSOURCEs, and using them would indeed constitute WP:Original research. I realize this may be frustrating, but there are reasons that Wikipedia requires secondary sources in almost all cases. As a result, a lot of stuff simply can't be in articles, and that's by design. Sorry.

Let me give some advice that I'm pretty sure you're going to find unwelcome, but I'm gonna offer it anyway: stop editing your dad's article. When people get involved in articles about their friends, their families, their companies, or anything else they're really close to, it almost always ends in tears. Read Wikipedia:Autobiography; everything it says there applies in this case. E Eng 04:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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