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July 2023

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May 2024

Please stop adding images to intros that cause an WP:UNDUE issue. A PS2 image is fine for the PS2 article, but it's not appropriate for an article that covers an entire generation of the industry. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 12:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Please stop? Can you please double check the history on that page and others you made? I was restoring someone else's bold edit and asked for discussion on the other pages as those images were already there for quite a while before they were removed. This is helpful for those who wish to share the article on Social Media and have a representative image shown from the generation. From what I can tell the image was selected as it was the highest selling image from each generation, so it does make sense. If you do not believe that is appropriate enough, maybe an image showing multiple consoles from each generation? DarkAzure (talk) 17:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be looking at in that link to the page history, but I'm asking you to stop making this edit you made. You only made it once at the sixth gen article, but you made the same sort of edit across just about every equivalent generation article.

I can't attest for all of the articles - I don't maintain them all, I just usually watch over the 8th gen and 9th gen ones - but at those two, there hasn't been any consensus or discussion on either of their talk pages regarding this, nor has there ever been a standing consensus or a stable version where an image rested on the top of either article.

If you wish to pursue this, I'd recommend holding a discussion in a centralized place that tends to get a lot of discussion participation, like WT:VG. I generally haven't seen much success with people doing what you're trying to do though. For example, the music community over the years has rejected similar proposals , related to placing an image of a singular musician/band at the top of a music genre article, even if they were "the best selling artist in the genre". Images looking nice on social media links is really really seen as a valid rationale either, or at least it certainly wouldn't trump UNDUE concerns... Sergecross73 msg me 19:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Just weird and slightly aggressive to say "Please stop" when it was one edit. The other pages I was restoring the previous edit as per WP:BRD and I was trying to avoid going to WP:3RR or something as silly as WP:EW as that's drama I don't care for. I'm not sure who put the images there in the first place as they have been on those articles for a while now.

Normally when someone removes or adds an item, then someone else restores the previous version and asks for a conversation (as I did in the comments). The next step isn't usually then to undo and tell the person to stop. It's usually to leave it at the status quo before the change and take it to a talk page to discuss. That's why I did not restore the articles where I did add an image. I changed the status quo there and was happy to discuss, though I was waiting for someone to decide where they wanted to talk. Just check through the edit history, almost all of those images were placed there well before I made my first edit there. DarkAzure (talk) 19:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you only made the edit once per article, but you made the same edit 8 times across 8 articles. Additionally, I reverted you on one of them with an edit summary explaining why on May 20th and then you still continued to make the same edits into May 21st. This is why I phrased it as "please stop". Sergecross73 msg me 20:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

No, I am sorry to say that you have it backwards and you are making assumptions. I added that image to the article sure. I also was not on wikipedia between those edits. When I checked on those pages I saw that someone removed content across all of those pages.

So I reverted the content back as per WP:BRD Bold editing, followed by Revert an edit if you disagree, then I preposed that the editor Discuss this change. I saw what you wrote and as you were reverting back my new edit. I was ok with that as you also followed WP:BRD. So I figured all edits would go back to what they were previously and it would be discussed on one of the articles talkpages for everyone to be a part of it.

If you saw someone remove content across multiple Wikipedia pages and thought that it should be discussed first before it was removed, would you not also revert? I hope that you can Wikipedia:Assume good faith with me as I have been very clear on the logic of the edits. DarkAzure (talk) 20:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Just to comment here since I have some responsibility with recent edits here as well, I removed head images for all generation articles for consistency, and IMO even if one console is more popular/significant than the rest, it would be inappropriate to give one console that much focus in one era with a lot of depth and perspectives. For instance, while the Game Boy is the highest selling 4th gen console, the 4th gen is also defined by the console wars of the SNES and Genesis along with advanced graphics and home console titles as well as the continued development of CD-based media. There's not one image that can define all of that.

As for Sergecross's music-related comment, it's a fair comparison. You can't have a Beatles head image in the article for rock music because there's too many players of note as well. Although I have yet to know the thought processes for having head images on soul, funk and grunge. Carlinal (talk) 20:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in. Is there a chance we can talk someplace more public about this specific subject than my wall? It would be nice to get other people's input. DarkAzure (talk) 21:01, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Start a new section at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. You're welcome! Carlinal (talk) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Well you both agree that's the place to go. I'll have to do that in a bit when I have some more free time. DarkAzure (talk) 00:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I guess the feeling of not being heard is mutual then, because, as I already said, I've watched over the 8th and 9th gen articles since their inception and there has not ever been a consensus or stable version with an image in the intro like that, which is what initiated my undoing of your edits across all of the generation articles. I also already recommended starting a centralized discussion at WT:VG several comments earlier. And there are no "bad faith assumptions" going on either. I simply asked you to stop making edits that I did not think were a good idea for reasons based on policy and past similar situations. That's it. Sergecross73 msg me 21:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I've watched over the 8th and 9th gen articles

Yes, you have said.

there has not ever been a consensus or stable version with an image in the intro like that

Yes, I have said, twice

which is what initiated my undoing of your edits across all of the generation articles.

As I said multiple times, it was another user who removed content across multiple articles, I was following WP:BRD and restoring to the previous stable version and asking for a discussion (preferably not here). If you disagreed with the other user's edits you would have messaged them instead of me. I was following well-established Wikipedia policy (or at the very least, well-known ways to interact with other users on a page) by reverting new edits and asking for a discussion. Usually, that isn't frowned upon.

I also already recommended starting a centralized discussion at WT:VG several comments earlier.

Yes I saw that when you posted it. The conversation continued here as it seemed that you still believed that I made multiple additions to multiple pages, when what I did was restore what was there before I even edited there.

And there are no "bad faith assumptions" going on either.

Thank you 👏😃 (genuinely no sarcasm or ill intent). I know that the internet can make it so people mistake another persons text, so thanks 👏

I simply asked you to stop making edits that I did not think were a good idea for reasons based on policy and past similar situations. That's it.

And that's why the conversation has continued. When someone makes a bold edit across multiple pages removing content across all of those pages. When it's reversed by another user asking that they use the talk page, usually the person who reverts is not asked to "Please stop" unless there is an edit war where both sides are removing and restoring content. So I do hope that you might understand now why I was surprised by the comment on my talk page. DarkAzure (talk) 22:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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