User talk:DarioGuerraKauaiUtah

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Happy editing! Cheers, Cassiopeia talk 02:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 2023

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Henry Cejudo. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Cassiopeia talk 22:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How is this vandalism? This is a common nickname attributed to him by the MMA sports community, and a nickname he himself as semi-embraced and used in his promotional material. What constitutes this as vandalism. This is a post from his official Instagram "You can call me the king of cringe but in that same breath know that I’m also the KING of Combat Sports 👑 • Olympic Champion 🥇 the… | Instagram", so again, I ask how is this vandalism when the fighter himself has embraced it. I request that this edit be put back up as a legitimate and recognized nick name, as the hundreds of media stories containing the reference should constitute it's veracity, confirmed by Cejudo himself. DarioGuerraKauaiUtah (talk) 22:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DarioGurrraKuaiUtah, Good day. Pls note all info added or changed need to be supported by independent, reliable source such as from the newspapers or books for verification. Source from all social media, and associated page with the subject is considered not independent. (such as Cejudos site". Also specifically, nick names are always come up from subject or fans which are not considered their real nick names but for promotion or meme or fan poking of the subject or their fans. In MMA, we use Sherdog.com fighter page of all info on the Wikipedia infobox section except those info can not be derived from the site. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 02:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see, Sherdog and Tapology are also seen as the most reorganized authorities when it comes to MMA records and the like, but is ESPN not a recognized reliable source from sports media? This article also uses the nick name, refers to Cejudo using it himself, and uses it to refer to him in place of his actual name. For instance "Cejudo is more serious these days. But the King of Cringe hasn't totally been phased out. Just somewhat deemphasized. He makes no apologies about that". It makes no reference to his official UFC approved nickname "The Messenger" which seems almost secondary in many pieces of MMA media. Fighters Only Magazine article on Cejudo by Simon Head who has written for BBC, BT Sports, the Sun and other media outlets also uses this nickname. In this article it also uses the alternative nickname interchangeably with "The Messenger". I request that the edit be put back up with these two reputable sources as it's backing. It may sound funny, but it is a legitimate nickname in the eyes of mainstream media outlets and the community as a whole. Cejudo is to my knowledge one of the few fighters with two commonly used nicknames, even if one is ridiculous, but not as comical as Yoshihiro "Sexyama" Akiyama.

‘The King of Cringe’ is back: Win or lose, the UFC is a better place with Henry Cejudo around – Fighters Only (fightersonlymag.com)

'You have never met anyone like Henry Cejudo': How the UFC's cringe king plans to become the GOAT - ESPN DarioGuerraKauaiUtah (talk) 02:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ESPN is associated with UFC (contract for 7 years) and that would considered the source not independent. Again, nicknames come out from fans and subject every weeks and dont record that but from Sherdog as Sherdog is the Wikipedia MMA state use source for the reasons to avoid edit warring. If you are going to edit MMA related pages regularly in Wikipedia then you would need to observe the regualar, experienced mma editor on how the pages are edited and I can send you a list of normal editing info as a MMA editor. Let me know if you have any questions as I am here to help. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 02:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MMA related articles

Greetings. Since you have edited a number of pages of MMA related articles in Wikipedia, pls see the below info so you may understand how things work here.

MMA related articles - info

Pls visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Mixed martial arts and read through the MMA Wikipedia guidelines.
When a bout is announced which stating "finalizing, in work, rumors, verbally agreed, in the press, this means the bout is not official yet. Wait until it official before place it under the "Announced bouts" section of the event page.
When a bout is announced in the press, editors put the match up in the "Announced bouts" section (inline citation is needed)
When UFC.com / its local web site (pls check the reference beneath the fight card table in the Wikipedia page), the editors would remove the bout in the "Announced bouts" and place it in the "fight card" section.
When a fighter pulls from a fight (due to injury/or by UFC/ visa issues and etc), we placed the info in the "Background section" (inline citation needed) and remove the injured fighter name and put "TBD".
When a injured fighter has been replaced, editor put the info in the background section (with inline citation). If the new match up has not been shown in the UFC.com fight card, then we will removed the match up from the fight card and place it back to "Announced section". If the match up already shown in the UFC.com then jut put the replacement fighter in the fight card section.
When the event named has been announced (such as UFC Fight Night: dos Santos vs. Tuivasa) then we place the info in the background section (with inline citation). If UFC.com has shown the event names (Fight Night events or UFC on ESPN) such as UFC Fight Night: Cowboy vs. Medeiros or UFC on ESPN: Reyes vs. Weidman, then editor would move the article and article talk page name accordingly and not before, except the flagship event such as UFC 187, UFC 242 and etc.
No colour box in the fighter's page infobox at event fight card page. No title eliminator in the fight card or body text in fighter page or event page. No (c) - champion on the event fight card unless the fighter is the current champion of the weight division.
"method" in the fight table is as per Sherdog.com as per WP:MMA guideline and please do not interpret the method yourself even if the method is incorrect as Wikipedia is all about WP:verification and not the true.
Info box as per Sherdog. No other nick names or else we would have many nicknames pop up every time there is a internet meme.
Reach as per UFC.com as Sherdog dont have the info. Pls provide inline citation.
Stand - need to provide inline citation. IF you can find source to support it, leave it blank
Style - "The style parameter should only be used in MMA fighters that have participated professionally or in international competitions in other combat sports (i.e. boxing or kickboxing) and who are notable in said sports and deserve an article for their merits in these other sports (i.e. Antônio Rogério Nogueira, Alistair Overeem). It is suggested to MMA editors that they actively remove the style parameter in infoboxes of MMA fighters that do not meet these criteria." Leave style for modern mma fighter as they have to train several combat disciplines.
No Flag icon on info box or fight table.
Info could be obtain from Sherdog on Info box - need to support by sources such as teachers, belts, notable relatives, university, occupation outside fighting career and etc.

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