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You reverted my edits on Manhunt 2 with the reason "redundent". What did you mean? Mr. Anon515 (talk) 01:01, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Are you asking me what "redundant" means, or why I claimed that your statement was redundant? The ratings and violence issue is already described more accurately earlier in the paragraph. Dancter (talk) 01:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for cleaning up that video games article! --Netwhizkid (talk) 16:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't know which article you are referring to, but thanks, regardless. Dancter (talk) 20:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

"Zilog Head"

Who are you? Why are you saying I invented zilog head when Elysium on Sega Forum insulted me with it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GEORGIEGIBBONS (talk • contribs) 19:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

It's the other way around. Any administrator can see that you pretended to be Elysium in attempting to get some of my user pages deleted. Dancter (talk) 20:36, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I did nominate your page for deletion and I'm sorry but you still don't have a sufficant reason for accusing me of the whole "zilog head" crime that my late cousin had commited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GEORGIEGIBBONS (talk • contribs) 12:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Snow Bros - External Links

Hi there Dancter, I would like to call your attention to the Snow Bros article. A few months ago, you removed from the external links what, *without* *a* *doubt* is the best fan page / best guide for snow bros in the internet, by far. You removed a source with +15 pages of detailed info about the game, but somehow you left a 1-page link from one of those "game databases" sites where there is very little real content. I'm adding the link back and I will be checking your User talk page (this page) in a couple days (since I have no wikipedia account) to see if you have any messages/comments for me (it may have been a mistake, or you may have your own reasons). Kind Regards. 109.255.23.179 (talk) 22:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

The reason I removed it is because it is apparently an obscure personal site, added to the top of the external links section (usually a sign of self-promotional interests), which is blocked by my web filter as "dangerous". Since your post, I have examined it with a computer without a web filter, and to claim that it is "+15 pages of detailed info" is overselling it a bit. All the pages are fairly brief (the obtrusively-positioned ads take up more than half of some pages) and flimsy; a handful of those pages are basically about how to use emulators and ROMs. That said, the dearth of coverage of the game on the Internet pretty much makes it the best by default. I am concerned about the site's presence on a blacklist, but will not remove it again from the Snow Bros article. Dancter (talk) 22:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

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Japanese information

Hi. My edit removing the Japanese bundle information from PlayStation Move was based partly on WP:VG/RELEASE. Although these guidelines relate to release dates, the general idea is that unless the product has specific national ties to a non-English speaking country, the information isn't notable on English Wikipedia. This seems to make sense. If information about the Japanese release is included, why aren't details of other non-English speaking countries. If it were a Final Fantasy game or something with national ties to a specific country, it makes sense to include the information but that doesn't apply here. I know it's a stupid argument but logically, it seems unfair to include this information and not include information for every other country in the world. Obviously, it wouldn't make sense to bloat articles with information that is irrelevant to most of it's readers.

It's not really a big deal, I just thought I should respond as from the the shortcut links you used I inferred that you thought my edits weren't made from a neutral point of view, which they definitely were.

Also, you suggested that you don't think my removal of the detailed pricing information was valid either. It seems pretty clear-cut under WP:NOPRICES - unless "...there is a justified reason for their mention. In general, if mainstream media sources (not just product reviews) provide commentary on the price of an object instead of just passing mention, this is an indication that its price may have encyclopedic significance." As far as I know, Move's price hasn't been covered extensively in mainstream media. I was just wondering why you thought I shouldn't have removed it?

Cheers, Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 15:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I do consider PlayStation hardware to have a specific national tie to Japan, given that Sony is still very much a Japanese company. Secondly, although the industry as a whole continues to attempt to break into emerging markets, the major regional markets are typically categorized as North America, Europe (sometimes broadened to the "PAL region"), and Japan. Note that this has nothing to do with a English-specific notion of notability. As indicated in the systemic bias essay I cited, while the English Wikipedia is written in English, its content is to be written from a global perspective. While practical compromises are made in things like subject naming and disambiguation for the sake of navigation and usability, as far as content goes, it is not policy to cater to the biases of a particular readership. The wording of WP:VG/RELEASE appears to codify such a practice, and I certainly do not agree with the conclusions arrived at from that text.

You're right. I probably read way too much into those notes! :) It does makes sense, within video gaming articles, to include some Japanese information. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 09:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

As for PlayStation Move pricing, the US$100 bundle pricing in particular has been covered and commented on quite a bit, often together with its competitors, and in the context of current economic conditions and its prospects for success. My disagreement with the hard-line application WP:NOPRICES is more general, though. While I generally support the trimming of excessive and unnecessary detail from articles (and thus did not perform a full revert of your changes), pricing is not a negligible trivial aspect, especially for subjects in which costs differ from the norm. Often the aggressive scrubbing of all pricing from articles in which it isn't exhaustively and explicitly rationalized and over-sourced from the outset removes a context which should be improved upon, rather than omitted completely. I'm not going dig through the histories of articles in my watchlist, but more than once have you removed a statement about pricing in which the source cited was exclusively discussing the price. While you're not the only one who does this, in my opinion, such relexive aversion to mentioning prices has negatively impacted coverage of gaming topics. The Guitar Hero and Rock Band articles are examples. Despite being a significant factor in multiple ways, the high entry cost of the games in the series due to instruments is almost completely ignored. DLC is not the only pricing aspect of the business model worth detailing.

If your issue is about coverage in the "mainstream media", then the vast majority of video game content on Wikipedia would not meet such a notability standard. The general notability guideline merely specifies "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." If you are arguing that video game journalism is insufficiently "independent" in covering a game-related aspect (a very broad claim), I would counter that mainstream journalism is just as often insufficiently reliable in covering subject matter outside its expertise. Dancter (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think I'm particularly aggressive on removing information on pricing. Especially not when looked at as a percentage of my edits overall. I'm not opposed to including pricing information where it's been established as notable - for example the comparison on History of video game consoles (seventh generation)‎ - but when it only seems to be a product listing as it was on PlayStation Move, it's not appropriate. The Move prices were just listed as "Product description - RRP". There was no mention of why this was notable and the sources cited were to a SCE press release. If the information was re-added to the article, I think it should make it clear why it is notable and cite an article which discusses the price in some way, not just states it.

I think it's a bit unfair for your to blame an editor for removing such information when your issue seems to be with Wikipedia's guidelines. If you don't agree with them, get them changed - don't blame the users who attempt to abide by them.

Anyway, thanks for getting back to me. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 09:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Long-term abuse report on Daisiesarepretty

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That page was a work in progress. I never actually publicized that report or Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Wooey Parks because I was having some difficulty in articulating the editing patterns which was able to identify in relation to the vandals, and when things got busy, I lost track. I'll see what I can do. I suspect that "Wooey Parks" is still active, but I'm not sure about Daisiesarepretty. If I am unable to update the reports in time for the cleanup, is it possible that you could move the pages to my user space, rather than deleting them? I'm glad that improvements are being made to Wikipedia's counter-vandalism efforts, but I was a bit dismayed at how I was effectively cut off from my own work in identifying GEORGIEGIBBONS when the sockpuppet investigation page was deleted. Dancter (talk) 16:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'll move the pages to your userspace if those users are inactive. We're just checking every report so we can delete the inactive ones. You know, your LTA reports are the most comprehensive I've seen when cleaning up =D. If you want, you can help us at LTA too. Netalarm^talk 13:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to make progress this week. I don't have as much time as I used to, but I'd be interested in helping out at LTA in some way. It's not often that I find editors who welcome my involvement in something on Wikipedia. Dancter (talk) 18:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:VG/GL#Non-English games

Hey there! I am currently proposing more detailed and standardized guidelines for the inclusion of foreign, in particular Japanese titles. I just wanted to ask for some opinions from those who formed the original consensus. I would appreciate it if you came over and provide your opinion on the suggestion. Prime Blue (talk) 20:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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NTSF:SD:SUV::

Adult Swim promotes the show that it airs on Thursdays, not Fridays. It's even listed as Thursday on adultswim.com. And they promote that it airs at 12:15 am EASTERN. But let's not leave out the other time zones. Like Central; it airs at 11:15 pm then. Regardless, NTSF:SD:SUV:: is promoted to air on Adult Swim on Thursdays, so that's what it will say on the article whether you like it or not. Shoesquashfan5000 (talk) 16:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Please discuss it in the article talk page. It is an article issue which should be openly discussed among the general editorship. I will respond there. Dancter (talk) 18:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

unconditional love

Thanks for cleaning up that article. I actually put it on my watch to take care of it a few months ago and totally forgot about it. Could probably still use some work but that's a good start. N^oformation ^Talk 09:50, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I merely reverted three promotional edits. The article is still pretty rough. It's only on my watchlist because I followed a linkspammer there. Dancter (talk) 15:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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Dear Dancter,

can you please give reference for the sentence "... the Dual Analog Controller was first displayed under glass at the PlayStation Expo 96-97 which was held from November 1 to November 4, 1996." in the article Dual Analog Controller.

Thank you in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.145.194.26 (talk • contribs) 07:24, 4 July 2013‎

I'm not sure that I can anymore. I'll try, though. I'll add a temporary reference in the meantime. Dancter (talk) 19:58, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

Thanks for reverting my edit that went against the consensus on Star Wars Rebels ! It wasn't intentional; I saw an IP edit that changed all the numbers without a source and I assumed it was vandalism. Sorry about that.

As a thank you, here is a kitten.

Luthien22 (talk) 02:27, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

That's very kind of you, but I was actually referring to the consensus that inline citations aren't warranted for information about aired episodes that can be sourced directly to the episodes themselves. I'm not a strong supporter of it, and if you looked a few days back, I myself was reverted based on a variation of that argument. The fact is that for episodes that have aired on television, "read the credits" not only counts, but inline citations are actually discouraged. Dancter (talk) 07:17, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I was curious to know what you did with Windows Holographic

I saw that you deleted my section and that you integrated it into the Microsoft HoloLens section. I find that useful, but could you add a little more to the HPU? Thanks,

The f18hornet (talk) 02:51, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

@The f18hornet: As I've expressed in my reply and in the prior discussion I linked to, there's not much more to add about it at the moment. Dancter (talk) 07:38, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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