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Hi User:CornSimpel, I wanted to reach out and thank you for your edits to Agriculture in ancient Rome. Thanks! (Also please ignore the previous message about unconstructive edits to Knives Out (film), that was not meant for you) Keep up the good work!Auberginandjuice (talk) 02:31, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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What do you mean they did not appear constructive? Cornsimpel (talk) 16:43, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Why are you leaving multiple warnings on my page without explanation? How are my edits not constructive? Cornsimpel (talk) 16:46, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Asharaf (Seville) moved to draftspace

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@CommanderWaterford: The citation to E.J. Brill's First Encyclopaedia of Islam should be enough. Cornsimpel (talk) 01:30, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. See WP:GS/AA as several Armenia and Azerbaijan related topics are under an extended confirmed restriction. You are not allowed to edit these topics as you’re not an extended confirmed user. Vanezi (talk) 17:25, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't aware of any restrictions. I did not begin editing with any interest in Armenia or Azerbaijan related subjects. My central edit was about earthquakes. I only found those other articles working from a list to add the earthquake article links to the Eastern Anatolia article. My interest in this subject began with the large earthquake in February I am sure that you heard about. I appreciate your alerting me to this situation. I am planning to continue editing about earthquakes after this.

In the future, if you see a more complicated series of good faith edits like my earthquake edits maybe you can ask the unaware editors to fix their own edits. I'm sure many unaware and good faith editors don't want to feel they are being dragged into a conflict because they made small good faith edits related to that conflict while editing about something else.

Maybe it would be enough to alert good faith editors about future edits, and only revert the non-complicated ones, instead of removing large amount of content unrelated to any restriction. If you feel editors are being disruptive, or have a dedicated interest, that might require more action. Cornsimpel (talk) 07:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Vanezi (talk) 16:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 2024

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours for making personal attacks towards other editors. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

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Rosguill Do you consider saying a user is "trolling" to be a personal attack? Cornsimpel (talk) 19:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think you could provide a list of personal attacks that are blockable as opposed to those that are not blockable? I was working on an article about seismicity of the UK but I will be going on a trip in a few days, so now I don't know if I will be able to finish it. It's so difficult once I lose focus it's going to be hard to get it back. Can I at least edit in my draftbox? I'll probably finish it, tbh, but this is an inconvenient delay. Cornsimpel (talk) 19:51, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments that characterize a user's edits are distinct from comments that are direct insults against another editor's person, with the latter being entirely unacceptable. I would recommend reading through our relevant policy. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rosguill Ping so you see this. About that TBAN you want, Rosguill, I give you permission to TBAN me indefinitely from a topic area I am not planning to edit in. I know you don't believe that I am not planning edits in that topic area, so as a show of good faith to you, I am not even going to argue with you about how dumb I think this is. How about this? I will not object to you TBAN-ing me from that topic area you are worried about but you will be kind enough to lift this short-term block so I can continue working on the articles in my main area of interest? Cornsimpel (talk) 20:36, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

I made a personal attack against another editor. I think an indefinite topic ban is a more appropriate sanction. Rosguill did not want to impose unilaterally but it makes more sense than this short-term block that is preventing me from editing. No one has said there was a problem with my other edits about volcanoes and I want to continue working on Meterologica. I know sometimes it seems like if something is the most important topic in the world to an individual, it must also be so to others, and nobody believes that this is not an elaborate plan for me to make more edits about that topic. Come on, Meteors?

I get why you guys are skeptical. No one edits about meteors. But - it's not an elaborate plot to make more edits about that subject. Seriously. If a topic ban is the way to rise above this suspicion about my motives then I am open to that. I wish it had been suggested before the interaction got so personal and nasty. I am sorry for the personal attack that I made. I don't make personal attacks often or lightly, and my behavior here did not meet the standards I have for myself. I don't want this to happen again. I would like to continue editing. I don't want drama.

Decline reason:

Hmm. At best this unblock request totally fails to address the reason for the block, which was nothing to do with editing on a particular topic, so the suggestion of a topic ban is irrelevant. At worst, taking into account everything you have posted here since the block, you know full well that this unblock request has nothing to do with the reason for the block, and are trolling. Somewhere long the spectrum between those two cases lies the truth, but it doesn't matter where, because nowhere in that spectrum is there a good reason for unblocking. JBW (talk) 21:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@JBW: The unblock request was responded to by Deepfriedokra at 22:12, 12 February 2024. I have continued to discuss the block with the blocking administrator but as I said below, I am not objecting to the block anymore and will follow Deepfriedokra's advice. I'm not understanding what you mean by "trolling". Please don't respond to this kind of stuff if you don't want to read the discussion carefully. I know that it is long, and I don't expect you to read it, but this was not helpful. Being blocked is an annoying experience for editors and the blocking administrator's responsibility has been satisfactorily responsive to my questions. Thanks, Cornsimpel (talk) 22:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock discussion

You have not dealt with the problem of personal attacks. And who is to say that you won't make them when editing in your topic of choice? There are discrepancies between what you wrote and your conduct. We'll let those pass. Thanks -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use the 31 hours to reflect on your behavior, please. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:12, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, you obviously didn't find what I wrote convincing, but I'm not holding it against you. I probably wouldn't either. I'm kind of putting you guys on the spot here. I am going you do what you said and use the 31 hours to reflect on my behavior. I conveyed a wrong impression by my responses. I will change my behavior after this block to avoid making further personal attacks. Cornsimpel (talk) 23:13, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Deepfriedokra Can you please post this on the ANI thread because I'm not able to post there:~~

"If you topic ban me, I'm not going to edit about the Armenian genocide. If you don't topic ban me, I'm not going to edit about the Armenian genocide. There is nothing anyone can say or do that is going to change this fact: I am not going to edit about the Armenian genocide or any Armenian ethnic conflicts. I hope that is very clear. I breached the civility requirement when I called the editor a troubled and deluded person and I am not objecting to this short-term block as a unilateral administrative action.

For the topic ban that is additionally proposed, I am also not objecting. I want everyone to believe that I am not going to make edits in the topic area and allow me to disengange. Subjectively, I know that is what is going to happen, even if a topic ban is not imposed. But, for objective proof please impose the topic ban because I prefer this discussion to be closed ASAP. Cornsimpel (talk) 21:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the question you pinged me to: no, and in general the relevant policy does not boil down to phrases that are ok vs ones that are not. Context is paramount: much more latitude is given to criticism of concrete edits/comments than to ad hominem assertions.

In the context of the ANI discussion, Vanezi provided examples of specific edits by you that they found problematic and explained their reasoning--your first response (beginning I'm a little take aback by this complaint....) was appropriate, in that it directly addressed an accusation and gave an explanation of why you performed the edits that Vanezi believed to be GAMEing. Your further response to specific accusations of POV-pushing, however, did not really address the edits they identified, instead just making a general appeal to your good intentions rather than explaining what you were hoping to accomplish with the edits in question. You also rhetorically asked Are you accusing me of having a too pro-Armenia POV?, when Vanezi was pretty clearly accusing you of having an anti-Armenia POV and generally minimizing information relating to historical Armenia across the articles in question. Given that context, calling your comment "trolling", while not diplomatic or particularly encouraged, is not going to be seen as a blockworthy offense. If your final response had been focused on the comments made, rather than the character of those making them, (e.g. the accusations are ridiculous), I would not have blocked you either. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that discussions about the article content should be at the article talk page. This is helpful for me and others as a record of past discussions when editing articles. I stopped making changes to the article text because I did not like that the edits and Vanezi's comments were occurring in different forums. Before that I was trying to incorporate important content that he felt was removed, which I also thought was important. I assumed he was a good faith editor and really believed what he was saying. For that reason, I think calling his comments Ridiculous would have been less civil, even if it was not personal. Because of the sensitivity of the topic. I don't think what he was saying was ridiculous. When he pointed it out, I did research and found support to expand the content about Western Armenia, which he then said was irrelevant after he complained that I had removed it. I think it's very valuable and critical content of importance to many young people and I'm sorry to let this article go, but I will. But I wanted to discuss it with Vanezi at the article talk page where there was zero discussion at the article talk page. So you could not have known my defense or justification for my edits because Vanezi never attempted to discuss them with me. I'm not blaming you for that. I only wish you were more sympathetic to how upsetting it is to be falsely accused of having an anti-Armenia POV when the evidence he provided doesn't support that accusation. Cornsimpel (talk) 21:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I promised Deepfriedokra, without keeping track of the hours, I have reflected on my behavior. What Rosguill described as making a general appeal to your good intentions rather than explaining what you were hoping to accomplish with the edits in question was a statement I made at ANI that I was proud of the work I did here. And, as I was reflecting, I realized that I'm not proud of that work anymore. I believe that administrators are absolutely vital to this project. I'm not an administrator and I don't wish to be one. Any content dispute, editor bickering, incivility, boisterousness is part of the collaborative nature of the project. I believe that anyone can edit and anyone is free not to edit. However, I can not work on a project with administrators that I can not respect. Not everyone takes this as seriously as I do. I am inconsolable upon realizing there is nothing that will change this fact. And that I don't feel proud of the work that I have done here anymore. I have thought about the seismology article I was working on and decided it is too difficult for me. If anyone wants to pick it up it's free in my sandbox. Cornsimpel (talk) 00:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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