User talk:Coelacan/Jeeny

Okay "Old Fish", need direction

I came across this article Louann Brizendine and noticed the user name of Louannbrizendine editing the article and deleting stuff. Then see what I wrote here User talk:Louannbrizendine. I'm leaving it alone now, because I obviously don't know what I'm doing. Just wanted to let my Old Fish know what I was up to when I should have been doing something else. - Jeeny ^Talk 22:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, actually you were on the right track. I can talk to her if you want, but we really just need to get her to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and be careful to make changes only according to that guideline. It's great that she provided a photograph! Ideally she shouldn't delete any cited content critical of her; she should instead make suggestions on the talk page at Talk:Louann Brizendine; and if no one is answering there, "ring the bell" at the Wikipedia:Help desk or the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. If there's a serious problem that needs to be fixed, inaccuracies, libel, uncited original research, she may want to edit the article herself as you pointed out at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Dealing with edits by the subject of the article. There's good advice, though, at User:Durova/The dark side. ··coelacan 18:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Image help ?

In this article Mikhail_Kalinin I wanted to use this image [1] but when I type in [[Image:Kalinin.jpg]] this image shows up [2]. How can I get the other image to display in the article? Notice they both have the same name, and so I'm confused on how to configure this. I'm posting here, as I think my Old Fish is underwater and can't hear me on the other page. - Jeeny ^Talk 17:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, well, one of these images is going to have to be moved. The problem is, neither one is usable here in the first place. Image:Kalinin.jpg doesn't have any source data. There's no way to verify that it was published before 1954, and that the photographer died before 1954, without even knowing who the photographer was. {{PD-Russia}} requires verification of both.

Then there's Commons:Image:Kalinin.jpg. It also doesn't have any information about the photographer. It does have a weblink, but that's dead. So, really, both of these images have to be tagged for deletion. That gives a window of a few days to figure out copyright status and possibly stop the deletion. It would be a good idea to contact WP:RUSSIA after tagging and let them know of the problem. Someone may know who the photographers are.

To answer your original question, though, if there is a file on English Wikipedia and a file on Commons that both have the same name, you'll only be able to use the local one and can't access the image on Commons. This means one image has to be moved. It's usually easiest to move the local image, here on Wikipedia, but only admins can "move" images, so you still have to contact an admin for help. (There's really no "move" for images. We just copy and delete, and we hopefully make sure to capture the revision history properly. Someone who understands the GFDL somewhat is needed.)

In order to tag this local image you would use {{nsd}} (but you have to subst it: {{subst:nsd}} ) ... do you have an account on Commons? ··coelacan 18:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have an account on Commons. I am, though, befuddled about the legal issues, although I know they are very important. My personal job is aggravating enough, with legal mumbo jumbo, and I was told (by my company's attorney) to avoid "interpreting the law (even though you are interpreting it correctly)" to clients, as one has to be "an attorney", and a specific one at that. It's so frustrating. I always have to make a disclaimer statement before I try to help the client, such as, "this is not meant to be legal advice, as I am not an attorney, and only an attorney can advise you in that capasity.." then the client says, "well you just read me the law and it says what is happening to me, so they are breaking the law, etc." and I have to say, "yes, it does read that way, but it is subject to interpretation, and that can only be done by an attorney, and one that is specialized in that field, as the law is complicated, blah blah." UGH! Okay, now, I have one on the line, and have to give the long stupid disclaimer, and upset and confuse the client more, thereby making MY job contrary to my position. I'll figure something out. I'll be back. - Jeeny ^Talk 18:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

On Wikipedia we throw legal interpretations around like confetti! And none of us are lawyers. Except for those who are. And they aren't giving "legal advice". So basically we just try to comply with copyright laws as best we understand them, and work out policies to follow so that not everyone has to understand law. In the cases of this images, someone has tagged them {{PD-Russia}} and is thus asserting that the images were copyrighted in Russia and are now public domain according to Russian law. But Russian copyright law depends on the time of publication and the copyright holder's death. Without knowing these things, we can't assert Russian public domain. In order to use either of these photos, someone will have to come up with names and dates on the copyright holders. That's where WP:RUSSIA might be able to help. ··coelacan 19:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Review

This user is going bonkers.

Oh well. Taharqa and Egyegy are both pretty stressed at the moment. As long as nobody is actually breaking WP:3RR, I'd recommend you let it slide. If they are breaking 3RR, well, they've already been warned; you can report that violations at WP:AN3. And users are allowed to remove warnings from their talk pages. The point of warnings is for the user to read them; it's assumed that if they're blanking them, they've read them. ··coelacan 19:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I was feeling sorry for them as I know how it feels. LOL. BTW, WTH happened here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Louann_Brizendine&action=history Where did the conversation go, is it a different page? I'm so confused. - Jeeny ^Talk 20:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there was anything else on the article talk page perhaps you are thinking of the user talk page ··coelacan 20:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Damn, you read it before I figured it out! LOL. I was just going to strike it. I told you I was confused. I don't know where or who I am right now. %} - Jeeny ^Talk 20:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Fonts

How come I can't see the Coptic font, here Egyptians, even though I supposedly have the Coptic font on my computer? I double checked. Even downloaded from the help link in the article. I can read the other fonts, such as Masri, Hebrew, and Arabic, but not the Coptic ones, as they display for me as Unicode boxes, or whatever you call them. - Jeeny ^Talk 21:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jeeny. I read your edit summary that you were having difficulty reading the Coptic font. Which font did you install, the New Athena Unicode [3]? That's the one you would need. If you still can't see the font after downloading this one, it might be because you're using IE (although I hear it works with the latest version). If you use Windows, it should work with Firefox. — Zerida 03:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Zerida. I would have had to tell her to ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing, because I've got no clue. (I haven't tried to install the font). ··coelacan 18:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi

0 - Jeeny ^Talk 06:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Article name change

This article Saint francis xavier preparatory school is a proper name, and it's not capitalized. How does one go about changing that? - Jeeny ^Talk 04:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Help

Now there is no page to the school! What happened? It had some good information too. Lots of famous folk went to that school. :( Dang, I hate this policy BS, at least without notifying people. Sheesh. In "real life" they notify one before hand, and it is mandatory! - Jeeny ^Talk 03:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC) PS. database is locked for.....UGH.

Okay, when you click on the red link at Saint francis xavier preparatory school you see an "Article not found" screen. Near the bottom of that page, it says

"If you expected a page to be here, it has probably been deleted (see the criteria for speedy deletion for possible reasons). You may wish to check the deletion log"

and if you click on "deletion log" it will take you to this log which says that the administrator Steel359 deleted the page with the reason "CSD R1 (broken redirect)". In practice this usually means that someone had moved the page (WP:MOVE), which created a redirect (WP:REDIRECT), and then the moved page was deleted, so the redirect was deleted as well. Since you're not an admin, you can't see what the page had when it was deleted, so you can't see where it redirected to, but a very safe guess would be the properly capitalized Saint Francis Xavier Preparatory School. And this would be the right guess. That page's deletion log, also says deleted by Steel359, with the reason "No particular encyclopedic significance, vandal magnet". This is basically a reference to the A7 criteria for speedy deletion (WP:CSD#A7), which is that the article did not assert the notability (WP:N) of the subject. And from looking at the page, I can see this is true. Mostly it has a list of faculty (before it was vandalized), and it says it's a Hyannis, Massachusetts middle school that was started in 1997. So I'm not sure how many famous people went to it, unless the date is wrong.

If you go to Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?, it will answer a lot of questions for you, including "what should I do?" and the first thing is to contact the deleting administrator, User:Steel359, to see if he will undelete it for you. But you'll have to convince him that it would not again be speedy deleted under WP:CSD#A7, so you'll need to dig up sources first, that will make it pass WP:N: "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."

So dig up those sources (I can tell you from looking at the page that all the material was previously unsourced and so the article did not meet WP:V anyway, so if you want to work on a good article there you'll have to start with enough sources to verify content. Then take those sources to User talk:Steel359 and ask him if he's satisfied they're usable and can justify an article.

And to answer your first question, when you find an article that is improperly capitalized, you want to move it, using the instructions at WP:MOVE. ··coelacan 06:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much. :) I guess it was "vandal magnet". JFK had attendend the Church, which named stuff after him. I guess the kids from the school added that incorrect info about the school. It was even in the article JFK, (at one time) so I didn't think much about it. It was convincing to me. Then again, he grew up in Brookline, near where I used to live, and that should have given me a clue. But then again, family had, and still does, their "summer" home in Hyannis Port, so it kinda made sense. Ah, well. Anyway, more work. Sheesh. :) - Jeeny ^Talk 10:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I miss you

I hope you are OK. :( - Jeeny ^Talk 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)