User talk:Cnilep/Archive/10 April 2017

Hi

One of the reasons why I changed Western New England English as being gemeral american is because many other sources contradict this. And there is no unified western new england english. William Labov's map (which is sourced) doesn't show any unity of a western new england English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_English#/media/File:North_American_English_dialect_regions.jpg. It's the same for Rick Aschmann's dialect map, Also Charles Broberg (which I sourced) says there are various Western New England englishes. And one of the reasons that inland north stopped being "general american" in the mid 20th century (which is stated and sourced here on in the "North American Regional Phonology page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_English_regional_phonology under "inland north" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_English_regional_phonology#Inland_North ) is because of the Northern City Vowel shift. As you can see on this map on the Northern City vowel shift page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cities_Vowel_Shift , about half of "western new england" is part of this shift, which is not general american.

One of the reasons I got interested in my own dialect (Vermont) is because my sister does voice overs. She had to suppress her native Vermont accent to sound general american for this (and she was 23 years old, which was 2 years ago, which I would put in the younger generation). Many of the above sources (Labov, Achmann) point to vermont having it's own dialect umbrella seperate from other parts of western new england. And about half of western new england fall under northern city vowel shift, which is specifically not general american. SirUltimos (talk) 10:05, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello to you, too. It is easier for editors to work together if discussion is centralized at Talk: New England English. FWIW, I appreciated any addition of specific, sourced content but do not appreciate removal of sources or addition of information that is not cited to publications with a reputation for reliability. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 00:14, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. With a few other sources that study dialects, they seem to think that new england english is varied and not general american. Labov, Aschmann, Ash and Broberg are in this camp. These guys along with my sister having to change her vermont accent to sound general american makes me not have any faith in the fact that western new england is general american in any way. That's why I wanted to change that part and readd sourced what some of these other dialect sources were saying. Is this not ok? SirUltimos (talk) 00:41, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

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