User talk:Cmach7/Archive 4

Indefinite block

Per your refusal to listen to other editors and your repeated posting of a malformed RFA, and per other issues with poor sourcing in articles (WP:CIR), I have blocked you indefinitely. --Rs chen 7754 03:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

THEN IF YOU DON'T UNBLOCK ME, I WILL CREATE SOCK PUPPETS! Cmach7 (talk) 03:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well uh, I suppose you could try, but that would definitely not help you get unblocked any quicker. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 03:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And, it would guarantee you'll never ever become an admin on this project. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

December 2012

You have been blocked from editing for a period of indefinitely for the reasons stated by the blocking admin.. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. - Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:29, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some help

Cmach7, please let me provide a few words of advice. First, as per various discussions, we as a whole are awfully glad that you want to help this project. Wikipedia brings together a lot of people with various knowledge, skillsets, time availability, etc in order to create an encyclopedia. You're one of them, and I'm 100% sure that you have lots to add to the project.

At some point in the distant future, one of your fellow editors will recognize your input, and possibly recommend to you that perhaps you may wish to become an administrator - this is rarely done by yourself. This also will not (and typically cannot) happen before you have thousands of good edits and likely at least a year of good experience on the project, plus have shown an extended understanding of the policies as a whole. Note: by "good" I mean that they follow policy to the letter: they're sourced, they are not original research, they don't violate our policy on living persons policy, and so on.

The other key aspect to becoming an administrator is the ability to follow the rules and instructions of the site. For example, the process of being nominated for adminship is set in stone. There are a series of questions you must respond to - the format is set. As stated above, however, you should be nominated by someone as self-nominations are rarely successful. RFA is a discussion: editors from across the project will analyze every single edit you have made, ask you additional questions, and judge your suitability based on your actions - it can get ugly at times, and it can also be a soul-searching exercise. Note also that with each "failed" RFA (and most do fail) that you have, it lowers your chances in the future - never file until you're 100% ready.

You have now, unfortunately, been blocked - you were warned again and again to stop nominating yourself, but you continued. Although blocks can sometimes look bad during an request for adminship discussion, "overeagerness" can usually be overcome. Because you're blocked, you obviously cannot build the history of edits that you will need to become an administrator. Time spent blocked is not considered to be part of your "year" of active service. The worst thing you can do would be to create another account or edit anonymously - these violations of evading a valid block will torpedo your chances of ever becoming a respected editor on Wikipedia.

You will also need to recognize that an "indefinite block" is not the same as an "infinite block"; indefinite means "until the community is convinced that the behaviour will not recur". How will you convince us? First, read the guide to appealing blocks. The read about appealing blocks.

For example, I personally would likely be willing to unblock if you promise to not file a request for adminship for at least one year from the date of unblocking. You would also have to promise not to file RFA except for under some pretty strict conditions such as a minimum of 5000 article edits, and where at least 2 current admins have approved your application for RFA.

Can we make these kind of restrictions? Yes. Wikipedia is a privately-run site. You agreed to a number of rules when you arrived. When people do not follow the rules, they are blocked. Those that show the potential to get better can be put under restrictions to help them move forward.

One more key piece of advice: becoming an admin is dangerous. You'll be stalked, threatened, sworn at, abused, your userpage and talkpage will be vandalized, and you will be rarely thanked. It does not give you power - indeed, you can never act as an admin in subject areas that you like to edit, so you become very very restricted. Being an admin is not a status symbol or a trophy - we're janitors. Actually, we're probably more like the guys who give parking tickets because nobody likes us. Do not be in a hurry to put yourself in this kind of situation. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:24, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would support an unblock under those conditions. I became an admin at the age of 15, so it definitely is possible to become one fairly young - but I also had 6,000 edits and a very good track record of creating articles, plus I had founded the U.S. Roads WikiProject by then. I also kept my head down and didn't apply until someone asked to nominate me. During the last seven years, I've gotten death threats and called the police, and have had my actions criticized several times, sometimes very rudely; this isn't something to rush into at all. --Rs chen 7754 21:08, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Request for unblock

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Cmach7 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Will never request for adminship until at least 5,000 edits.

Accept reason:

Thank you, that's what I needed to hear. 5,000 is a bit low, but it's a start. Note that I will reinstate the block if you request adminship before then. Rs chen 7754 23:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Remember: it's not 5,000 edits, it's 5,000 good edits and you may not request adminship unless two current admins approve it in advance. In other words, you must be nominated by someone else who is an admin, you may not nominate yourself (✉→BWilkins←✎) 23:26, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Being an admin is a very huge goal. I would set some smaller goals for yourself first and work up to that. I would suggest being adopted by another user (see Wikipedia:Adoption). That basically gives you a mentor who can teach you the basics. --Rs chen 7754 23:32, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]