User talk:ClockworkSoul/Archive8

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Trolling, and using Wikipedia as an axe grinder, please help?

I hope I am following proper procedure here, someone should take a look at this entry, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Straight_Dope_Message_Board&oldid=18307131 specifically at the changes user MichaelCaricofe made. One person (Evil Monkey) has already reverted the article in the past in favor of MichaelCaricofe, and admits they didn't even read the reversion, just assumed that the anonymous person was the jerk. Let it be said, that I don't back what some of the other anonymous people have done to either of them, I just don't want Wikipedia to be used as this troll's soapbox. Here are some links you might find useful in getting to understand this situation, I'm not a turd smoker, I'm a watcher of turd smoker, what they dub "anti-anon". Here is their "snark pit" entry about the Wikipedia trolling. http://www.deadjournal.com/users/anonpitmod/72154.html I do not think that the incident belongs on the entry, because it's just rehashing the event, trying to dredge up sympathy for a person who got banned.

I'm not saying I agree with what happened to cause the whole blow up either, but I also think Michael has taken up the mantle of troll, he's depressed, disturbed, and has an axe to grind, so he should be recused from comment about the place. In any case, this could get REALLY ugly, based on what the turd smokers are capable of, and based on Michael's (once known as Stage Manager on the SDMB)admitted severe depression/recently suicidal mood. The anons, btw, don't represent the whole of the SDMB, not by far, they are a minority, though they'd like to think they have a lot of power. They can, and do however work very hard at snarking, and like it when their targets feel the sting.

ETA: The turd smoking people also use randomizers etc. by their own admissions in the past, (in one of the many incarnations of their snark boards) so blocking their ISP might not be an option.

ETA: my signature, I'm not a member yet, but I hope to be someday. 68.103.67.214 7 July 2005 06:29 (UTC)

Impersonation

You seem to be blocking a lot of impersonators lately. Any tips on tracking them down? Mgm|^(talk) 22:00, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

About your star pictures

Hi, I'm an active user on the Spanish Wikipedia wondering if the star images (Image:Cscr-candidate.png, Image:Cscr-featured.png, and such) are free for use on the other Wikipedias. We're currently organizing our feautured articles and having templates similar to the ones on this wiki would be great. You can answer me either here or here.--Fito 01:46, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Fito, they can be used on other Wikipedias. Clockwork, I can upload this image to the Wikimedia Commons for you. Zscout370 (talk) 01:48, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fito: absolutely, you can take all of them you like. The original, unmodified versions are Image:Featured article star.png, Image:Featured article candidate .png, Image:Star piece.png, and Image:Former featured article candidate.png, if you want them. Zscout, if you wanted to upload them, that would be great. – Clockwork Soul 01:55, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Clockwork, the files have been uploaded to the Commons under the same LGPL license. I also think the original, unmodified, stars can also be uploaded. If we can create standard templates in all Wiki's, that will also be a good idea. Zscout370 (talk) 01:59, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks alot. I'm going to propose the template standarisation over there too.--Fito 02:07, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

I am sure you can probably present the templates that we use here, and if that works, I hope the other Wiki's follow suit. Plus, Fito, if you need anything from here and use it on Spanish Wikipedia, just let me, Clockwork or others know. Zscout370 (talk) 02:09, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would be very honored if you did decide to use the recently created templated standardization scheme. As Zscout370 said, if there anything we can do to help, please do not hesitate to ask. – Clockwork Soul 02:18, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

K, thank you guys.--Fito 02:25, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Robo_Donut artical

It has come to my attention that someone has created me a wikipedia page. He is not me, but an individual who happens to be very bored at a LAN party. I am sorry that he has wasted your time and created a completely useless topic on this great site.

It's not a problem: I'm on "recent changes" duty, so at the moment, this is pretty much what I do. – Clockwork Soul 03:03, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mountain

Hi. This template is a part of WikiProject Mountains. While there may be a new process for standardizing templates, I think projects should be given a chance to voice their opinions on a change to one of their templates before it's changed unilaterally by someone not actively involved in the project. RedWolf 08:00, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Another imposter!

I just saw another imposter on RC: User:JmoIiver. The "I" is on the fourth letter. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:11, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Got him. Thanks. – ClockworkSoul 16:14, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- You are welcome. Yesterday, I changed my skin to display everything in Verdana. Not only it is more comfortable for me to read personally, it is easier to spot I's. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:17, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Your block template isn't very smart. You should leave the redirect in there like what Quadell did. Really stupid, I must say. Requesting block and acct. deletion. Also, you're not as smart as you think. I've got three impersonations stashed away there and you even failed to see them. See you aound. TempoAcct. 16:27, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstars

We need to start clearing off some of the proposials we have. We have so much that needs voted on, and the voting to end. I can see if the other guys want to help vote on a few things. Zscout370 (talk) 17:19, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

We seem to have collided in updating DYK. You didn't even see my inuse notice. I'm not using the Railway article because it's much more stubby than the others. Hope you don't mind. Mgm|^(talk) 19:13, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

I've put up protection notices. If you can inform people of the update, please do so. I'm planning on some other edits. Mgm|^(talk) 19:18, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Is that so? Thanks for the welcome and the tip. Jim BeIl 19:40, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jim BeIl

Hi. I don't know whether you know of User:JMBell, but this user seems to be a pretty clear impersonation or similar. Added to that, his user name is JIM BEIL, with an I (i), which is a trait of an impersonation vandal I blocked last night. Just so you know, cheers, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 19:48, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I now... I just wan't paying attention that time. Thanks. – ClockworkSoul 19:48, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I would also be careful, since I think the vandal is trying to taunt us with some of his messages on here. Zscout370 (talk) 19:51, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - So they did notice the sarcasm. Interesting.... JimBeII 20:27, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, that's funny. Isn't it, clock boy? Jim Bell 20:31, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      - Then again, that's ridiculous.

Nice one! Jim Bell 20:35, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa, clock boy, calm down there, mate. Jim Bell 20:35, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not gonna stop till I say stop, you got that? I'm not sayin stop! Jim Bell 20:37, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Block block block. Jim Bell 20:38, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Really these blocks get me goat Jim Bell 20:38, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Impostor

This template is really useful (congratulations on the design, btw), but I have one concern. Does impersonation really get someone banned? I thought it got them blocked... Could you verify this for me? I know its semantics, but it is important in this case. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 20:41, 7 May 2005 (UTC) (edit conflict count: 4)[reply]

Ah, yes - you're right. I've updated appropriately. I'm glad you like the design. :) – Clockwork Soul 20:43, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Good work on the continuing fight. I'm curious whether you're detecting any pattern in the usernames this person chooses (besides the obvious, that they have ells), but it's probably best not to tip your hand by answering me! :-) FreplySpang (talk) 12:38, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

I've removed the protection from your talk page, as other users do want to contact you, as I've heard from IRC, and it's not good form to stop others from contacting you. You also didn't provide reason why you protected both your talk and user pages. Dysprosia 07:27, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I thought I had removed it. Sorry about that. – Clockwork Soul 14:14, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User:SPUl

Thanks for going about the impostor blocking. However, User:SPUl was not an impostor; I created it as a preemptive measure, and there's no reason to block it (not like it would be useful as a sockpuppet, being meant to be confused with me). --SPUI (talk) 07:28, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, not a problem. --SPUI (talk) 19:41, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

AMA

Hi. I recently added myself to the AMA list and, as I am happy to be actively involved at the moment, wondered if I should add myself to the list on Wikipedia:AMA_Advocates_accepting_inquiries (or whether some other process had to take place before I went on that list). Also, I left a note on Adam756's talk page but it looks like he is not currently contributing. Do you know if the AMA is still active and if Adam756 is still active as the coordinator? Cheers. TigerShark 15:01, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RfC Trey Stone

Hello, according to a message you left on his talk page, you blocked user Trey Stone for 24 hours on March 19 for "user page vandalism, making personal attacks, and violating the three revert rule". I have just opened an RfC on him Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Trey Stone and it would be most helpful if you could add information about those problems to that page; I couldn't find an entry for the block on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. If you'd care to add anything else to that RfC it would be most helpful. Thanks, -- Viajero 12:50, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. Naturally I have my doubts about the effectiveness of the RfC process, but I suppose we have to work the mechanisms that we have to resolve disputes. All the best, -- Viajero 19:40, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mom

Thanks :-) I think it will be in 2-3 weeks in France Anthere

Impostor hunting

Thanks! That Cstar isn't me. --CSTAR 03:21, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! How do you find them, if they haven't made any edits? Jayjg ^(talk) 05:10, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate that, if you don't mind. You've definitely aroused my curiosity. Jayjg ^(talk) 05:26, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That actually is me. Since my IRC nick has no space, I set User:DanteAlighieri (no space) as a redirect to my actual name (with space). Thanks for the heads-up though! --Dante Alighieri | Talk 06:43, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip off. Deb 11:54, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I know how you find me, anyway. You troll RC and then zap all suspicious new user pages, dontcha? And then you find other variations and block them. I know how you do this stuff so you don't have to hide it from me. PIek 12:00, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! All of those accounts you pointed out are ones I created some time age to prevent them from being taken by trolls, vandals, or impostors. -- Seth Ilys 12:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Another thanks, and mine too were created by me to avoid someone else getting hold of them first. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:30, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted talk page

Somebody with username User:Plek just erased my my talk page replacing its contents with an impostor banner.--CSTAR 13:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I could tell, the URL of the phony User:Plek and real one were identical. Am I mistaken? If this is so, it's a real security bug.--CSTAR 13:52, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Imposter Hunting

Thank you for your message. After I was impersonated on another wikipedia site I went to all of the others and created my username there as a redirect to this one. The one you have located was a deliberate ploy of mine to take the username and keep it as a dummy, before anyone else tried to.

-- Francs2000 | Talk [[]] 00:20, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Accusation of vandalizing

Hello, ClockworkSoul. At last I know an administrator. First, I want to say that SqueakBox is vandalizing my talk page. He includes a dialogue that has nothing to do with me and text that belongs to the talk page of a former nick of mine I use no more because I discover too late that the name did not comply with the Wikipedia rules. I have reported it. I hope you will be a fair behavior and you will not make distinctions.

Besides, I am not vandalizing anybody. The user SqueakBox in his user page includes a badge saying that he has gone beyond the call of duty and I do not know what things more. He is a very difficult user who has had a lot of problems with many users because he makes kind of erratic edits. Simply take a look at his talk page. For example a user complain for the following: "Any reason to keep editing my Fidel Castro remarks? You a Castro accolyte? Tell me how Forbes saying he has 500 million dollars is not factual information worthy of being on the guy's bio?"

I do not like him including anything that looks like official when as far as I know he has never made any useful contribution. He only wants to project an image of being a "Wiki hero" to humilliate those who are attacked and insulted by him. I believe that is not the Wikipedia way.

He also has the photograph of a cat and he uses offensive language to refer to him. I am unable to tolarate that attitute towards animals.

Besides, SqueakBox has made something I consider pure vandalism. He went to the article José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero. It was very long, so a month ago it was broken into several parts. He went to the extended articles, Zapatero's years as an opposition leader, Zapatero and the Local and Regional Elections of 2003, Zapatero and the 2004 General Election, Zapatero's domestic policy and Zapatero's foreign policy and substituted its text by a REDIRECT statement to the main article José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero to hamper its recovery and has removed from the it the links to them to avoid honest users accessing them.

Besides, he has a very unpleasent apporach towards me. For example, he says that the article "I made" of José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero is very bad, that I have no idea of what an Encyclopedia has to be and a lot of other things. If you go to the article you will find it was edited by a lot of people and I do not understand why it is my article and not that of other person.

Thank you for your attention. Zapatancas 09:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know?

Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Brooklyn Brewery, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Userpage

I hope you don't mind but I stole the code for the layout of your user page - it's quite clever and neat. I was just wondering if you're ok with it, then could you tell me how to space the columns out better? Thanks. ♪ Craigy ♫ 06:39, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress

Can you come here and not only see if you can solve the situation but also to see if I am doing anything illegal here. I was listed as a vandal for reasons that to me, are probably out of spite or disagreement. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:13, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstars

You seemed to have issued a number of Barnstars, so maybe you can answer me this: I want to award Bishonen a Barnstar for his article on European toilet paper holders, but I'm not sure if he qualifies because it is apart of his user page. The article was featured (for a very short period of time) on the main page this past April 1st, and really is of feature quality. Anyway, does he qualify for a Barnstar? *Kat* 05:41, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Though I am not Clockwork, Bishonen can qualify for a Barnstar. If he worked very hard to get the article created, and also got it on the front page for a short time, a normal Barnstar will do. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:59, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the delay in my response. Zscout370 is absolutely right. Barnstars are not a strict or formal thing, they can be given out whenever you see something that deserves recognition. I remember that article: it was our April Fool's article this year. I recommend the Oddball Barnstar, but it's totally up to you. :) – Clockwork Soul 06:12, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Zscout and Clockworksoul! And I agree with Clockworksoul, the Oddball Barnstar is in order here.*Kat* 07:24, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much, *Kat*. ETPH lives in my userspace, but it has a number of faithful and "dedicated, not to say demented" (as User:Filiocht has put it) contributors, so I've inserted the, uh ... how shall I put this ... very lovely star on the ETPH talk page. If time should ever hang heavy on your hands, please come and contribute to the article! I'm a she, btw. --Bishonen | talk 22:29, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... I wonder how I ended up here? Maybe the Oddball barnstar works some kind of magic, it wouldn't surprise me. I'll just have another go at placing this on *Kat*'s page.--Bishonen | talk 22:34, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, now it's already here... I'm frightened.--Bishonen | talk 22:41, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think a template was added to my page by accident by ClockworkSoul. It looks it has been removed. But, well, I will see if odd things are happening, I can talk to Clockwork. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:02, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not by accident: the template page allows us to maintain one conversation on multiple pages. The only drawback is that you don't get the cool organge bar. – Clockwork Soul 03:30, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I like it, but do you realize that all this is showing up on my talkpage too? Not that I mind, but some people might. *Kat* 20:51, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I see how this works (sort of). Where did you get this template? *Kat* 20:53, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

It's easy to make one: I just made a page in my user directory (User talk:ClockworkSoul/20050515-01), and just dropped the page name onto the talk pag ein template-curlies: {{User talk:ClockworkSoul/20050515-01}}. – Clockwork Soul 20:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Brazillian Wandering Spider

Hi,

I see that you negotiated with the owner of the copyrighted Brazillian Wandering Spider image for permission to put in in the English Wikipedia. Would you mind trying to get the same permission for the Wikipedia Commons so that I could use the image in the Chinese language version without lots of work-arounds? Thanks. 金 (Kim) 08:19, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your quick reply. Actually, there are two or more different ways of giving permission on the Commons. Part of the reason is that European restrictions may be more strict. I think you could probably find some way of letting people use his picture for non-commercial and/or educational purposes only. If you have a feeling for what he wants to protect himself from you might have a look at the Commons upload area where they give links to the various kinds of permissions templates and see whether there appears to be anything there that might fit his needs. 金 (Kim) 07:17, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation

Hiya.... I see you are still on the list of "request to be mediator". That is long enough and time to really do it :-)

Here is the deal : Aesthetic Realism. We had a formal request for help on the board list... it seems a good nest for a mediator. Would you jump in it ? (please, say yes)

Cheers.

Anthere 08:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FAC

Hey, I was wondering what should I do on this. I am trying to get an article to become Featured, called Hero_of_Belarus. The Hero of Belarus is a title that is awarded by the Republic of Belarus to those who perform great deeds in the name of the State. It is the Belarussian version of the Hero of the Soviet Union. After I am done with the article, I want to invite people to come in, comment on it, and then put it up on WP:FAC. I was wondering if you can help. Regards, Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:02, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cascading coffee roll

There's been some talk about rolling the standard template design into the local Mediawiki stylesheets. One issue that came up is to what extent the CSS implementation of your design conforms to your intentions. The discussion is taking place on Wikipedia talk:Template standardisation#move the standard to CSS. Cheers, --MarkSweep 09:57, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent: thanks for letting me know. – Clockwork Soul 15:27, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My sig

Thank you for your kind remark! ℬastique▼^talk 03:53, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please help mediate the Aesthetic Realism dispute

Not sure why my post here yesterday didn't show up, perhaps I forgot to hit Save Page after Preview. In any event, Yes, for the love of god please help us mediate the Aesthetic realism dispute!

Aesthetic realism is a philosophy encompassing art, psychology, and personal therapy. I don't dispute the philosophy itself, but I contend that the group that promotes its study (the Aesthetic Realism Foundation) operates as a cult. I was born into the group, as was my mother, since her parents were involved. I had a "lesson" with the founder/leader Eli Siegel at the advanced age of two.

My concern about the article is that the AR people censor any criticism from the article or otherwise whitewash it. My first contribution to the article was adding a single sentence, something like "Some complain that the group that promotes its study operates as a cult." The AR people removed that sentence. I added it back, they removed it, etc.

Eventually other Wikipedians decried the bias in the article, so the AR people finally allowed the link to stand, but they kept excising other points that appeared in the article. I added a note that Eli Siegel killed himself, they removed it, I added it back, they removed it, etc. They also filled the article with cheerleading so it read more like an advertisement than an encyclopaedic entry.

As I write this I feel the article is actually in pretty good shape. I do have a few specific objections, but the article is still much, much better than it used to be. I have no problem with the AR people telling their side of the story but I feel that criticism should be fairly represented.

What I'd like to get out of mediation, besides some kind of agreement about the article content, is some kind of negotiated truce that neither side will edit the article any further except pursuant to some other condition, such as the edits first being floated on the Talk page, receiving support from established Wikipedians (e.g., ten articles edited prior to August 2004), and such Wikipedians making the changes themselves, not me or the AR people. I'm flexible on the details of course, I just don't want your effort to be wasted with brand-new edit wars starting right after we reach a hard-won agreement.

Thank you very much for your help, Michaelbluejay 05:46, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can I get a newcomer barnstar?

I've been a fervent contributor to wikipedia also have my signature on other forums with wikipedia and love wiki. just check out some of my original contributions. one has already been featured in the "india portal" Wikipedia:Wikiportal/India titled "Biryani" under "Cuisine" which was a painstaking original contribution. I've added many other such titles and there has been a gap in contribution due to personal reasons, else I think I deserve the newcomer award. Heh, maybe i'm just boasting myself and i don't have a sense of humility, but hey what the i'm giving it a shot. maybe i'll get some medal.

btw, i'm also currently undertaking a project to tabulate and add photos to all the boxers. please check out boxers like Jack Johnson and Sugar Ray Leonard to see what i'm talking about. i hope someone also can help with this. i hope if u r not the person who awards the barnstars please tell me to whom i should approach to get one.

thanks. a very eager eyed wikipedian. Idleguy 12:19, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Mediation for Aesthetic Realism controversy. I am 66.114.86.135 (username Aperey)

Dear ClockworkSoul, I am the person (Arnold Perey, PhD) who asked for mediation on the entry Aesthetic Realism. I wanted, and still want, protection against the depradations of one Michael Bluejay. He wants to do in Wikipedia what he has done on his web pages: alter the truth in order to hurt innocent and decent people: doctors, artists, teachers, scholars, who study the philosophy Aesthetic Realism.

His involvement with a pre-existing attack on Aesthetic Realism began about half a year ago. This previous attack is described on "Friends of Aesthetic Realism--Countering the Lies". There you will get a little history.

To establish the truth--that Aesthetic Realism is about as far from being a cult as New York University is--"Friends of Aesthetic Realism" has posted statments by many people (the friends) who are eyewitnesses to what Aesthetic Realism is and to how the Aesthetic Realism Foundation teaches it. They take up, one by one, the lies intended to damage Aesthetic Realism which are posted on Mr. Bluejay’s (and associated) web pages. Since the last update, more lies have been told which are as ugly as the first ones.

Mr. Bluejay--unlike the "Friends"--is not really an eyewitness. A number of the friends--like the people who post on Bludjay's web pages--are former students of Aesthetic Realism who now do not study it. One difference is they sign their names and they tell the truth. Most of Mr. Blujay’s sources are anonymous, and one doesn't know how many or few people actually wrote the entries. Still, their motives should be asked about: Do they have good will? Do they care about telling the truth?

In his communication to you, ClockworkSoul, Mr. Bluejay presents himself as the innocent victim of a number of unreasonable "AR people" who obliterate his links. I am the one person--an anthropologist, teacher, and writer (perey-anthropology.net)--who has been trying to keep the entry on Aesthetic Realism fair to it--it was I who made all the changes. There are no mysterious "AR people." I even wrote the original entry some time last October or so. It's always been the same IP, or now the same username Aperey [now that I learned about logging in, a few weeks ago that are connected with the changes Mr. Bluejay is upset by. And he surely is savvy enough to know this. He once worked for Microsoft.

I suppose, too, that if you look at the history of discussions concerning the Aesthetic Realism page--and the entry on Eli Siegel too--you will see that Mr. Bluejay is not just, as he states, "receiving support from established Wikipedians." I'd say Wikipedians are divided. As I remember, there was one early entry that noted the only interest a certain "anon" had in Wikipedia was his desire to put things about "cult" in the Aesthetic Realism entry. That "anon" was Mr. Bluejay--and he then registered and logged in when I "outed" him in the discussions.

You will notice, perhaps, that the blatant ill will and the copiousness of his insertions became somewhat subdued after I asked for mediation. Prior to that, it was a free-for-all--with some strategic restraint. I admit I may have been too hasty in my deletions. In fact, I was shocked by the ill will I saw in what he kept inserting, and felt I couldn't stand for people to read it unopposed. It was so bad! As a “newbie” I’ve had to learn the ropes. The deletions were not a cult conspiracy. They were my attempt to have the truth known cleanly.

If you are sensitive to style, you will see that Mr. Bluejay thrusts things into the text which are intended to shock and discredit--including a link to his page "Eli Siegel killed himself" or "Eli Siegel, founder of Aesthetic Realism, committed suicide," his search engine title. And it is a page where he uses *very* bold text to make his shocking point. I think it is unnecessary, in an article that is about a philosophy, to make a point of how its founder died. Meanwhile information about Eli Siegel's death is on the Web for all to see and has been since 1985, I think. The circumstances of his dying are also made clear in my entry in "Friends of Aesthetic Realism--Countering the Lies" and some other entries, and that ought to be enough. Blujay claims HIS phrase--Eli Siegel killed himself--HAS to be in Wikipedia, and complains that the "AR people" (namely, me) deleted it--but he never asked why. He never inquired what the people who are must concerned felt was right.

I submit that if you look at the entry on George Harrision who, it is understood, died with dignity at the home of a friend, all that is said is: "George died at the home of a friend in Los Angeles, California on Thursday, November 29, 2001, at the age of only 58. His death was ascribed to lung cancer that had metastasized to the brain."

And if you look at the entry on Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis who also died in a similar way, we have, simply, “she was diagnosed with lymphoma, a form of cancer, and died from it at her Fifth Avenue apartment in her sleep on May 19 that year.”

It is sad to have to argue about the death of a person, Eli Siegel, who was great, and whose philosophy Mr. Bluejay says he does not "dispute."

What he and some others call being a "critic" of Aesthetic Realism is really not that. Criticism is not trying to tear apart a good or beautiful thing. A critic tries to see what a thing really is, and show people truthfully what it really is--what Matthew Arnold called "the object as in itself it really is." But Bluejay and some others want Aesthetic Realism and the Aesthetic Realism Foundation to appear to be a "cult"--that no one will want to study this philosophy.

I am one of the personal victims of his web pages. (He has begun to call me "cultist Arnold Perey.") In them he has smeared Aesthetic Realism, the founder of this philosophy, and the persons who now study and teach it. (See michaelbluejay.com/x)

It is not true that "he has no dispute" with the philosophy, for every source he links to maligns it egregiously. (See his webpages michaelbluelay.com/x --and they malign the educational institute that teaches it, calling us a "cult." Over time he has escalated his attacks by posting anonymous "exposes" and links to tabloid-style writings--writings which have little consideration for the truth. Call them "hatchet jobs."

I knew Michael Bluejay's parents when he was a toddler (he was Michael Andrew Freedman then). His mother (a teacher at L.I.U. who used Aesthetic Realism as her teaching method) moved to Krum, Texas, and discontinued her formal Aesthetic Realism studies, when he was 4 or 5. Yet he claims to have studied it until a teenager. If that is true, why has he harbored at least one post on his web pages, and linked to others, which state that one is required to "live within walking distance of Aesthetic Realism" in order to "be a member" of the "cult." At age 11 he had one Aesthetic Realism consultation here in New York City.

In fact, he has little first hand acquaintance with the philosophy and even less with the Foundation that teaches it. As I indicated above, apparently just this year he got himself entangled with a small group and their decade-long history of attacking Aesthetic Realism. Ellen Mali of Evergreen, Colorado and her son Adam, whom I also knew, are the longest-term attackers.

Once again, you contacted me under my IP number, which is 66.114.86.135. My login is Aperey. I have put the controversial discussion in a separate category. As I noted, this was done in Wikipedia for the attacks on John Kerry and the same should be done for Aesthetic Realism.

I hope we ALL can have an exact and truthful dialog.

--Aperey 21:39, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ClockworkSoul, with regard to your query on my talk page, I appreciate your invitation, but I would just as soon not be considered a disputant in the mediation, if that's feasible. Michael Bluejay and Arnold Perey both know more about the subject than I do. My major contribution is that I know more about Wikipedia style and policies (including NPOV) than they do. If, through your good offices, they can reach some agreement about the substance of the article, it shouldn't be too hard for me to satisfy myself by cleaning up whatever they produce. (Jonathunder has started this kind of work already. I haven't bothered because I thought it too likely that any improvements would quickly be lost, as collateral damage in the edit war.)

I see from Wikipedia:Mediation#Disputants that the process is envisioned as occurring only between two parties, although a "party" may be "a cohesive group of disputants in common cause." I've agreed with most of Bluejay's edits, but not all, and I wouldn't consider us "a cohesive group". Therefore, judging from that page, if I were a disputant then you'd have to treat this as three separate disputes to be resolved: Bluejay-Perey, Bluejay-Lane, and Lane-Perey. My feeling is that life will be easier for you, for the disputants, and for me if I'm not directly involved. I appreciate your taking the time to try to help out here, though, so if you think there's something I could do that would be helpful to the process you're conducting, please let me know and I'll give it every consideration.

By the way, when I clicked on the edit bar to the right of the section headline, it opened an edit window, but one with no text. The headline also didn't appear in the edit summary box. Do you happen to know why? JamesMLane 22:57, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote, "It does in fact make things a great deal easier when there are a number of disputants." Pardon my obtuseness, but I'm left unclear about your preference. Are you agreeing with me that it would make things easier if there were only two disputants? I'd prefer to leave the two principals as the only disputants, but I'd like to do so with a clear conscience that I'm not undercutting the mediation. JamesMLane 00:32, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Preemptive impersonation

Hi, thanks for the notice about the possible impostor. I actually created the account myself to prevent this potential problem (if you checked, you would notice that it has made no contributions). I don't know whether you took the time to block this account—for that matter, I'm not sure now what password I used to create it—but fortunately it doesn't matter, this one isn't an actual cause for concern. --Michael Snow 22:58, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

back again

Please see Brazilian Wandering Spider note above. thanks. 金 (Kim) 21:45, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable Username

While looking at the history of Gallery of national flags and I came upon this user: User:Mloester. Personally, this name sounds very close to molester, with a letter in the wrong spot. I was wondering what do you think about it. Thanks. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It looks shady, but it may be nothing. It couldn't hurt to pose that question on the Admin Board and get some more opinions. – Clockwork Soul 00:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:03, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User name is clean, my apologizes to Mloester. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:52, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard template style

While WP:TS is a good thing, we should not include a 'standard' template in every other template as this is an unreasonable server load. I've subst'ed it out in a number of occasions, and there's discussion on WP:TFD to ask what should be done with Template:STS. Yours, R adiant _* 11:40, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

talk-notice class

This STILL has some issues and should not be implemented at the present time. Please revert all your recent changes and let's keep working on the peerreview template alone. Even something like the name of the class is not final at the present. Please don't go so fast with this. -- Netoholic @ 17:36, 2005 May 19 (UTC)

A perfectly reasonable request: done. May I ask what the issues it "STILL" has are? – ClockworkSoul 17:45, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The name is the big one, but also there are some technical details to work, especially on making this work with divs, not tables only. -- Netoholic @ 19:27, 2005 May 19 (UTC)
  - BTW, CS, I think it may well be impossible to implement with divs. I don't actually see why we cannot use it at the moment, if we need to change the name in the future, we can. Then again, Netoholic's Word IS Law, right (that's irony, by the way, for non-Britons)? Cheers, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 19:34, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Let's all be nice, now. Netoholic may have a point about web readers for the blind, which I intend to check on as soon as I can. – ClockworkSoul 20:38, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - Wasn't I being nice? Sorry... I was just saying that this was a good solution for the moment. Oh, well, never mind. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 20:47, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aesthetic Realism

Hi, yes I was emailed about helping, but you seem to be handling it very well, and I doubt I would be of better assistance. Don't think they were asking me to replace you or something! Cheers, --Silversmith 13:01, 21 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Military history of Puerto Rico

It's been a long time! I wrote the article mentioned above and have self-nominated it for Featured article status. Please take a look on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Military history of Puerto Rico and I would be honored if you expressed your opinon. Thank you, Tony the Marine

My question was answered at the helpdesk

My questions have been answered. --Joseph Wayne Hicks 02:05, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Friendly Chat

Hi, I just thought that I would let you know that Linuxbeak has nominated me for adminship. I would like to invite you to participate at WP:RFA if you wish to do so. Thank you and take care Tony the Marine

FAC Help

Salve, Clockwork!
Haven't talked to you in a while; hope all is well in the Empire State. I've nom'd one of my articles at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bob McEwen and would appreciate your comments. PedanticallySpeaking 14:36, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

Your user page

I really, really like your userpage layout. Would you mind if I copied and adapted it to my userpage? --*Kat* 06:28, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

NEED HELP /NOT SURE if i am doing this right

I was wondering why a link to my site was removed from the WIKI Liverpool Page. the link was: www.liverpool-skyline.co.uk

Sure it linked to my homepage, with images(given away free) and video clips (given away free) while other sites that SELL Pictures are allowed to keep thier link.

the page was removed with the coment not relevant/commercial product. THe page is to promote this once in a lifetime video project, which will be 4 years in the making, it is being shown in the center of Liverpool on a huge screen run by the BBC, and has mainly been made for the city's historical future.

I am selling a DVD, which is 1h30min in lenth, with a full music soundtrack, for less than the other people will sell one image, that's CLICK one image, DONE. sold for more than this DVD so I would like to know how its ok for them? I dont know the system well enough and cant find the right person to contact can you help

I DIG YOUR NAME thats why you where asked first...

THanks in advance, june 1st johnvid@rocketmail.com

Johnvid80.5.160.8 23:46, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I need an outside view with a dispute.

Hi, You helped me out with a vandalism problem a few months ago. But I'm faced with a larger problem. I've been in a dispute with User:Emico which involves personal attacks. I've taken the correct steps in conflict resolution to solve our issues, but got nowhere. The contributers to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Emico are about to take the issue to the Arbitration Committee. Can you make one last attempt of solving the dispute before it goes any further? I'm getting very little progress, but since there WAS progress IMO, I think we need another outside source. --LBMixPro ^{(Speak on it!)} 03:04, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Possible new mediator and committee chair

Mgm has nominated himself to be a mediator and indicated he's willing to take over as chair. In an effort to help keep the mediation process alive, it would be nice if you could comment on this at Wikipedia:Mediation Committee. --Michael Snow 20:13, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Where at we at on the Aesthetic Realism mediation?

Where are we at on the Aesthetic realism mediation? If you're too busy should we request another mediator? Thank you, Michaelbluejay 19:19, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Call to Action

Whereas, much good discussion and work has previously occured on the Barnstar and award proposal page,

Whereas, the level of discussion and progress on the abovementioned page has dropped to a record level of none; no constructive commments have been made on existing awards since May 17, 2005,

Whereas, many "Vote or Die!" have been left open, namely two, as a result of this lack of discussion,

Whereas, nine proposals lie untouched by Wikipedian hands,

Whereas, you have previously commented and helped on the abovementioned page,

Therefore, I, who have absolutely no command in ordering this whatsoever, instruct you, ClockworkSoul/Archive8, to return to the barnstar commitment and further the creation of Wikipedian awards; vote liberally and spread your constructive comments.

(Signed) Cmd. Bratsche^{talk 5 pillars} of the Barnstarium Army, 03:12, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Eep article

Clockwork Soul, The article eep was marked for deletion. Everyone voted to delete it, but it never was... DoomBringer 06:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

non-ASCII user names in WP:1000

Hi - There are a couple of users (#504 and #513) listed on WP:1000 with non-ASCII user names. Do you have any idea how to access these users' talk and/or contribution pages? Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:48, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

I've resolved one: Anßrion from WP:1000 is actually user:Anárion, -- Rick Block (talk) 14:41, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

and the other one. user:Den fjSttrade ankan is actually User:Den fjättrade ankan. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:50, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)