User talk:BDOklahoma24

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Hello ClarkBrewster, welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Liance, and I've been editing here for a while. I wanted to thank you for submitting Draft:Clark Brewster to WikiProject Articles for Creation and helping to grow the encyclopedia! We appreciate your contributions and hope you stick around. I can see you've already started writing draft articles, so here are a few more resources that might be helpful:

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Clark Brewster (May 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Liance was:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Potentially notable but Early Life, Other Activities section not backed up by reliable srcs Based on your username, it seems that you may be writing an article about yourself. Please note that writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged because of issues with neutrality and point of view. All articles about living people must meet the biography notability guidelines.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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~Liance^talk 20:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liance - thank you for taking the time to review this article. I would like to affirm this article is not about myself. My name is McKenzie Harrison, and I am a writer that is being paid to create this article for Mr. Brewster.

In his early life section, the High Plains Lawyer source discusses Mr. Brewster growing up on a Michigan dairy and crop farm. In the other activities, the reference is an article discussing Clark and Deborah Brewster, his earnings, and his journey getting to the Derby.

Considering these things, can you please advise what I need to do to get this article accepted? ClarkBrewster (talk) 20:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also went ahead and requested that the user name be changed to reflect my name. Thanks again! ClarkBrewster (talk) 20:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, ClarkBrewster! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! ~Liance^talk 20:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ClarkBrewster Paid editing is allowed per Wikipedia policy but you will need to disclose per Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure or an administrator will block you. I would review that link, follow the instructions closely and request a username change as well if you wish to retain access. I am not an administrator, just an editor here.

I would also closely review WP:NBIO and WP:NJUDGE. There is no guarantee of the article's acceptance unless it meets the aforementioned criteria. Please let me know if you have any additional questions. ~Liance^talk 20:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liance - thanks for your reply. I did disclose that I am a paid editor when going through the process of setting this up. Are there additional criteria that I have not met? ClarkBrewster (talk) 20:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you put the disclosure? ~Liance^talk 20:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Initially, it asked if I was a paid writer, and I clicked "yes". Then it had me confirm that I disclosed it. I read the Wikipedia: Paid-contribution disclosure page, and I added the disclosure on my user page. Let me know if there is anything additional. ClarkBrewster (talk) 21:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That should be sufficient. There was a formatting issue so I went ahead and fixed it on your user page. ~Liance^talk 21:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay great. Should I try resubmitting for review? ClarkBrewster (talk) 21:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liance - the username has been successfully updated, and we have added that disclosure. Please let me know if you believe there is anything additional I need to edit before resubmitting. Thank you. BDOklahoma24 (talk) 13:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liance - I wanted to check on this with the updates made. Thank you for your time. BDOklahoma24 (talk) 20:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry to be persistent, but I am hoping we can get this expedited as Clark represents Stormy Daniels, and we would like this to be up and running during this time. Thanks again. BDOklahoma24 (talk) 20:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liance - we had an individual reach out saying he could publish this for $200. We just noticed it was also published on EverybodyWiki. Was the gentleman that reached out a scam? How does EverybodyWiki have access to the drafts submitted here? BDOklahoma24 (talk) 21:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, the fact they are claiming they can get this published is probably a scam - see Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning for information - and just because they move it to article space doesn't mean it's kept, as such articles are subsequently reviewed and can be deleted. You are going about this in the correct way - and I can commend you for that, and it reduces the risk of things being deleted/removed etc further down the line.

Anyone can take the content from here and publish it elsewhere, and there are numerous other unaffiliated site to the Wikimedia Foundation that do this, particulaly with deleted articles and drafts that require more work. I would say that your draft is one of the better I've seen and hopefully the last few bits can be worked through to get this published. Mdann52 (talk) 16:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I greatly appreciate your response. It is helpful! Are there any loose ends that need to be edited further? I made the previous edits from the first review and am hoping we can get this published soon as the hush money trial and Stormy's involvement are big topics right now. Thank you again! BDOklahoma24 (talk) 16:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You still have the claims about the dairy farm and his Tulsa law degree, both of which need to be sourced. I otherwise will not comment further due to this being in a contentious topic. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 21:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the feedback on edits to make. Those have been adjusted. Please let me know if there are additional edits I need to make. BDOklahoma24 (talk) 19:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jeske, I am following up on the latest edits for Mr. Brewster's wikipedia page. Do you know a time estimate for the second draft to be reviewed? Thanks in advance. BDOklahoma24 (talk) 18:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BDOklahoma24, AfC reviewers review drafts in any order they like, so we can't really give you any timeline beyond "not longer than four months", which I understand is not terribly reassuring. I see you've put forth three sources in the comments of the draft as your best three - this is enormously helpful, thank you. But if those really are the best three, it's probably going to be a no. The last one especially isn't useful (for the purposes of showing notability), since it's just database-type stuff. What we're looking for is in-depth coverage, from the best sources we can possibly find. With that in mind, do you have a different top three you'd suggest? -- asilvering (talk) 06:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for such a thorough response. It is helpful to know what sources you are looking for. There are definitely some in depth sources. I will change those out now. Thank you again @Asilvering! 2600:1700:A824:AE80:54C2:1908:7925:9312 (talk) 14:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should probably add a bit on what we mean by "best", as well: they need to be fully independent (not associated with the subject) and at least mostly secondary (a series of interview questions and answers is no good, but an article written by a journalist on the basis of interviews they conducted is fine). Past that, the higher the editorial standards and the more well-known the source, the better. -- asilvering (talk) 15:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for the clarification. Do you mind reviewing the ones I added and confirming they meet that criteria? Thank you! BDOklahoma24 (talk) 14:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 2024

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, discussion pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. bonadea contributions talk 21:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Clark Brewster (September 14)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by S0091 was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

All the in-depth coverage by a reliable source that is about him is by Tulsa World, which is one source. The other sources are what he says, about the various cases rather than him and/or brief mentions. Please also be mindful of WP:CITEKILL. Only one source is generally needed to support a fact.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Clark Brewster and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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S0091 (talk) 15:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I really appreciate you reviewing this article and providing specific reasons as to why it was declined. I reviewed the links you included for independent sources that are reliable and secondary. I added those three to the top of the draft. They are all independent, reliable sources that have wrote a piece on Clark. In addition, I cleaned up the citations per your recommendation of "CITEKILL". Do you mind looking over what I edited before I resubmit? I have tried really hard to do this correctly and get feedback from the help desk for this to be published. It seems I only get specific feedback when it is reviewed. BDOklahoma24 (talk) 15:03, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In order for a source to meet the notability criteria, it needs to meet all four criteria outlined in the decline: reliable, secondary, independent and in-depth. Super Lawyers is not reliable (it's a commercial site where you find lawyers so should not be used at all), Bloodhorse is sponsored content so not independent (which also calls into question reliability and it relies heavily on what he says) and Heavy just regurgitates what he/his website says so not secondary and not independent. S0091 (talk) 16:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, can you tell me if this is a reliable, secondary, independent, and in-depth source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/clark-brewster-stormy-daniels-new-lawyer-defended-white-guys-who-shot-unarmed-black-men

If not, can you tell me which Tulsa World article meets that criteria, so I can supply the next editor with articles alike?

Thank you for your time! BDOklahoma24 (talk) 20:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All of these go in depth about Clark specifically.

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/stormy-daniels-hires-tulsa-attorney

https://www.aol.com/track-phantom-kentucky-derby-hopeful-092948425.html

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/criminal-defense/best-criminal-defense-lawyers-tulsa-ok/ BDOklahoma24 (talk) 20:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard anything he says or emanates from him or those associated with him (quotes, things like "according to", etc) and see WP:DAILYBEAST. As far as Tulsa World, articles by the same the same publication count as a single source so combined Tulsa World is one source for contributing to notability but multiple are needed though it is is fine to use for verification for facts. Also, the article needs to meet WP:NPOV (a non-negotiable policy) and at least one of the Tulse World articles had some critical analysis which is not included in the article. I didn't mention in the review because I thought notability needed to established before getting into the other content issues. S0091 (talk) 20:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to go through all these sources you just presented. This is exactly was happens with WP:PAID/WP:COI editors (if these these three sources are not acceptable, then how about these other three) and it exhausts the volunteer community. It is clear you have not taken the time to understand Wikipedia, what are acceptable sources, etc. (likely have not thoroughly read all the links in the decline, otherwise you would not be asking these questions) so I am not going to take my time to "baby step" you through the all the policies and guidelines. That's your job; not mine. S0091 (talk) 20:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay not a problem. I appreciate your time and assistance. BDOklahoma24 (talk) 20:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]