User talk:Chiaroscuro123

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2006 FIFA World Cup

Hello. Thanks for your note. I was unable to quickly find the rule you claim to exist according to the Chicago Manual of Style for inserting a comma after the year in a date. If you could give me the exact URL along with the quotation of the relevant passage, that would be very helpful. Nevertheless, this is news to me, and certainly not something I have encountered on the Wikipedia. I just double-checked Wikipedia's Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) and such a rule is not stipulated there. See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style -- nothing there, either. In the context of Wikipedia, we put the complete date (day, month, year) in wikilinks (example: [[August 1]] [[2006]]), and the software automatically displays the date with the appropriate comma or in some other conventional format, depending on the user settings chosen in "My Preferences", with the default being no conversion (and insertion of a comma between "August 1" and "2006"). I suggest you don't insert trailing commas after the year in a date in Wikipedia articles. As for "rm linkspam", that means "remove linkspam", where "linkspam" refers to an external link which promotes a commercial website of no encyclopedic value and serves as an advertisement. Someone just before you made an edit that added such a link and I reverted that change at the same time I reverted yours. Take care, and please sign your posts on talk pages with ~~~~, which the Wikipedia software interprets as your signature and a date and time. -- Mareklug ^talk 06:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I found the rule you mention, here: [1]

Q. Is the following the correct way to punctuate the date?

Period between June 23, 2003 and March 19, 2004

A. It’s conventional to put a comma after the year. The commas are like parentheses here, so it doesn’t make sense to have only one.

However, I still believe that Wikipedia Manual of Style does not stipulate this rule and that you will not find it in articles. Please show me counterexamples, if I am mistaken. -- Mareklug ^talk 07:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

More on trailing commas after dates and date formats on Wikipedia

I looked at the examples you gave of articles with trailing commas after the year in complete dates. In nearly all examples, it could be argued that some other rule was at play: separating an appositive, separating an introductory prepositional phrase, or dividing clauses. Be that as it may, the most important reason to not use the trailing comma after the year in complete dates on the Wikipedia may be the automatic formatting of such dates (if wikified, i.e. put as Wiki links -- in double brackets). I mentioned that before, but let me emphasize it: The same wikified date will appear different to various users of Wikipedia depending on the setting of their "my preferences". So, a date entered as [[August 1]] [[2006]], will look on the page as August 1, 2006 for users who chose "no preference" (the first choice in the "date and time" tab's radio box) or "16:12, January 15, 2001" (the third choice). Those who choose the second choice, "16:12, 15 January 2001", will see it as 1 August 2006. Those who choose the fourth choice "16:12, 2001 January 15", will see it as 2006 August 1. And finally, those who choose the fifth choice, "2001-01-15 16:12:34", will see 2006-08-01. Given this automatic conversion of formatted complete dates, it makes sense to eschew the trailing comma mandated by the Chicago Manual of Style, because it will not make sense to have it in all the formats. Perhaps this is the reason why this rule is not incorporated in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. I invite you to experiment with the settings of your "my preferences" (see the third link in the row of links at the center top of any page, visible after you log in) to see how the date and time preference affects page appearance. You will have to reload pages to make sure the new setting takes. Best Wishes, --Mareklug ^talk 04:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

To be or not to be

Chiarusco123,

I admire how deftly you remove unnecessary "to be" verbs from the entries you edit. The entry on "The Wife of Bath" became much clearer after you contributed your grammar expertise. You also brightened up the entry on "Matthew Macfadyen" significantly. The change from "co-star" to "appearance" made all the difference in the world.

Keep up the good work!

Sincerely,

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H & L

Garbanzonut 02:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

PS. Hermione dies.