User talk:Chesdovi/Archive 4

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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Orthodox rabbis who had alternative occupations

Category:Orthodox rabbis who had alternative occupations, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. JFW | T@lk 20:39, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Joseph's tomb

Hi, do you read German? I have a very detailed history of Joseph's tomb and well in German. I can send it if you ask by email. Zero^talk 04:23, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, you already sent it to me, but I don't know German. Chesdovi (talk) 23:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

ARBPIA 72 hr topic ban

Debresser and Chesdovi are both topic banned from Israeli / Palestinian topic areas for 72 hrs due to disruptive editing and edit warring, with a healthy dose of personal attacks and incivility thrown in. This sanction is enacted under the Arbcom case sanctions and will be so logged.

Please DO NOT CONTINUE this behavior after the 72 hr ban is over. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Un-impostoring

Looks like the user Off2riorob took care of it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Jewish control of the media

Your !vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Jewish control of the media, while very amusing, might confuse the closing admin regarding your true feelings about this article. Would you consider clarifying? Jayjg ^(talk) 21:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Metulla 1896. A Tel Hai 1917 Yesud Hama'ala 1883^%, Ayelet Hashahar 1918 • alVlishmar Hayarden EinZeitim

Einstein

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Please remove remark

Please remove this edit. It is belligerent, and therefore counterproductive to the discussion. In addition, it is factually incorrect, because two other editors have already disagreed with you, one of them in continuation of his previous posts. Debresser (talk) 17:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Per your off-Wikipedia request, I have made the following edit. [1] Please also notice the editsummary. Debresser (talk) 14:08, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

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Timeline of the name Palestine

Please provide justification for all the tags added to this article today, or they will be removed. To ensure you have a proper understanding of the topic, please first review the external references section of the article, in particular:

Jacobson
Feldman
Gerber
Also, Edward Said's A Question of Palestine

Oncenawhile (talk) 17:44, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I know I should have provided explanation at talk, but have not yet had a chance. Sorry. Basically, I am concerned that you have gathered from early sources, however these being only translations. i.e. I doubt very much whether in Jewish Midrash the word Palestine appears. It is only referred to as such by the translator, but does not appear in the original text. It seems in this case, it appears only in the notes. The whole page needs to be based on tertiary sources. Chesdovi (talk) 17:49, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:Judean rabbis

Hi Chesdovi. You recently created Category:Judean rabbis a few days ago in spite of warnings not to create such categories that have brought you into the midst of editorial conflicts with other users and in spite of a number of related CfDs and calls for discussions about this subject at Category_talk:16th-century_Palestinian_rabbis#Rfc and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Rabbis categories for renaming. You are violating WP:CONSENSUS and the terms of the warnings that were issued to you recently, see User talk:Chesdovi#ARBPIA 72 hr topic ban. Please cool it, or further sanctions against you will be requested. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 19:21, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I have reverted your addition of this category to several articles, as well as blanked the category page. You have to stop doing this kind of thing until those discussions are decided. And since they will not be decided in your favor, you will just have to stop this - period. Debresser (talk) 19:35, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

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Please see and shudder

User_talk:Arfican#Your_recent_edits for the refutation of your slanderous remark. Debresser (talk) 14:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:CANVAS and WP:NFCC#9 violation

This edit violates WP:CANVAS and WP:NFCC#9. Please revert it ASAP. --Damiens.rf 16:36, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

While putting the actual image on the noticeboard was inaappropriate, it is not canvassing to notify a noticeboard per Wikipedia:CANVAS#Appropriate_notification. Dreadstar ☥ 16:52, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

But the caption may have been uncalled for. Chesdovi (talk) 17:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Chesdovi. Also, please take some time to get yourself familiar with our policies and practices in regard to the use of non-free images. Our bar for using these image is a little bit higher than what you may seem to believe, judging by your comments on the deletion discussions. Getting to know our habits may prevent you from further frustrations. But in anycase, thanks for the always polite interactions. --Damiens.rf 17:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:CANVAS#Appropriate_notification says "such notices should be polite, neutrally worded....". I wouldn't call this exactly neutrally worded: "Do you want this to be deleted?. Then take no action!". -

Dread, we all know at this point you don't like me. But now you're just pushing the limits. -Damiens.rf 17:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

A concern that you did not make clear with your initial comments. Be more cautious with your notifications in the future. Dreadstar ☥ 17:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I guess it was clear enough to Chedovi, that what who it was addressed to to begin with. Try to be less nosy next time, but if you can't, at least be less arrogant when your mistakes are pointed out. --Damiens.rf 17:45, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Damiens, I made no mistakes here, just clarifying that putting a notice on a noticeboard is not canvassing per WP:CANVAS. I'll be as nosy as I need to be. Apologies to Chesdovi if I did butt in here... :) Dreadstar ☥ 17:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Chesdovi, definitely use WP:NFCC, as well as acceptable use and Unacceptable use policy and guidelines in any image discussion or decision. Dreadstar ☥ 17:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for those tips and links. Chesdovi (talk) 17:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Glad to help! Dreadstar ☥ 17:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of 2010 Kenya–Somalia border clash for deletion

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IOJUJO

It's from this discussion, specifically this comment I made on May 31. Cheers. ← George^talk 20:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Palestinian people

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Help on Talk:Eleazar ben Judah of Bartota

I saw you added cat. Can you help me out on Talk:Eleazar ben Judah of Bartota ?

ThanX! --89.139.48.211 (talk) 00:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

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Anabta

Would you mind reproducing the text used in the source you cited for this [edit]? The Google books entry does not display nearly enough information to confirm what you have added, so I think it would be helpful if you could reproduce it since I do not have the book. Thanks. -asad (talk) 14:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

"This Narbata which so far has not been identified, is, most probably, Khirbet en-Nerabeh by ‘Anebta, in the north-west of Samaria. The Aramaic form of its name must be traced back to Neraba. Perhaps also the name 'Anebta originated from 'Ain Narbata. It is true, the distance given by Josephus does not fit in. His 60 stadia = 4040 yards would have to be altered into 146 stadia. The distance given by him reaches only as far as the edge of the highland, and may in reality only refer to the western boundary of the territory of Narbata. According to Georgios Kedrenos,5 the " plain under Parnas " and Narbathon (or Narbathos) were a part of the domain of Herod Antipas. By the former the Huleb plain below Paneas (=Bamas) is meant, and the latter is the Narbatean toparchy, the Herodian possession of….."

Thanks, that makes more sense. Also, thanks for the other information you added about the town, it is very interesting. I would just like to point out one thing though, I do not believe the source is correct in this edit. To my knowledge, and many people in this town who are still alive and lived were alive in that 1931, there were never any Christians, Jewish or Druze. I have asked many people who's ancestor's who have come from Anabta for centuries and there were never people other than Muslims. I am pretty sure the source is wrong on this. What do you think? -asad (talk) 21:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I have the census reports and can explain this, I think. Very small locations were lumped together with larger locations rather than being listed separately. In the case of Anabta, the counts also include Iktaba and "Nur ash Shams", which are both about 6km to the west (closer to Tulkarm than to Anabta). In the 1922 census, Anabta and Iktaba are listed separately and show only Muslims (1606 and 121, respectively). Most interestingly, "Nur ash Shams" (located where the Nur Shams refugee camp is now), appears on a 1935 map as "Nur ash Shams (Jail Labour Co. No. 1)". So it was some sort of prison, maybe a prison farm or similar. Those Christians, Jews and Druze in 1931 might have been prisoners or prison staff. The Christians would include British. Zero^talk 00:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:Talmud rabbis of the Land of Israel

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Palestinian categories

I hope you dont mind if I butt in on this issue, but it seems as though a simple solution is being ignored. You want to use the term "Palestinian" to refer to those residents of a place called Palestine. I dont see a problem with this, but others apparently do, regardless of the quality of their objections. Why not just say "in Palestine" or "from Palestine" in the title of the category? So, instead of Category:16th-century Palestinian rabbis you would have Category:16th-century rabbis in Palestine or Category:16th-century rabbis from Palestine? nableezy - 15:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

This has only just been suggested one of the opposers, namley Biosketch. If they were so worried about their "concerns", why did IZAK or Debresser not suggest such a name themselves much earlier on? The problem they all have is with the word "Palestine," not its claimed confusion over ethnicity. Debresser also objected to Category:Mediveal Jews in Palestine. IZAK changes each category connected to Jews named Palestine to "Land of Israel". There is a larger issue at hand here. Chesdovi (talk) 16:47, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Carrigal was a palestinian.tif

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Deletion review

If you'll notice at the bottom of this diff, new nominations should be placed below the line that says "place new nominations BELOW THIS LINE" (emphasis theirs). I can't fix this for you, as it requires your signature, so you'll have to fix this yourself. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 11:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I wondered why it wasn't appearing. My suspicion of a conspiracy are indeed unfounded. Chesdovi (talk) 11:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 20th century

Why, well it is a specific category that explains why a building or structure has significance in a given year or century. Architecture is very unspecific as to why there is significance. Is it because the building was designed in said year, is it because the building started construction in said year, is it because the building was finished in said year? The completed categories also roll up into the engineering tree since that is involved with construction and not all architecture is engineering related. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Ottoman Palestine

I dislike your walking the edges, but have no real problem with adding a link to Palestine to the name of cities. Please see Palestine#Ottoman_rule_.281516.E2.80.931831_AD.29 that the name Palestine was not the official of the region since the beginning of Ottoman rule in the 16th century. Debresser (talk) 12:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I grossly dislike and am disgusted by your parochial, manipulative approach. Chesdovi (talk) 12:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I think you should use Ottoman Palestine, not Palestine. If I notice other editors making that change, I think your edits will have to be modified. If not, I'll not push on this one, since there is something to say for it. If only you weren't such a pusher. Debresser (talk) 12:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:PUSH has your name written all over it. Ottoman Palestine redirects to Palestine, so you better be having words with User:Brewcrewer if you want to do any of your "modifying". Chesdovi (talk) 12:44, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

1. I changed that redirect now, see the editsummary for the rationale. 2. Even while it was still a redirect to "Palestine", it would still be better to use "Ottoman Palestine", since it is always good to be precise. Debresser (talk) 13:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

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Do not change my post to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#Palestinian_rabbi. You can add that image, even though it is of no use there, below my post only. Debresser (talk) 12:55, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you move it if it bothers you? What very strange behaviour. Chesdovi (talk) 13:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Not only does it bother me, it is a violation of Wikipedia guidelines. And so is this editsummary. Ever see WP:CIVIL? Debresser (talk) 13:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

No. It is a violation of the rules to delete other peoples comments. You are really asking for it. Chesdovi (talk) 13:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Read again, and on Wikipedia:User warning templates, that it says "editing" and "refactoring", not only "deleting". Debresser (talk) 13:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know which bit of your comment I edited, but if you felt bothered that the image was too close to you, why did you not move it down, instead of deleting, a serious violation in itself. I will only concede that I forgot to sign it. I have had enough of you games here. Something will happen. Chesdovi (talk) 13:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Like the Lord striking me with lightening? There are no games. I am just trying to stop you pushing certain edits and behaving any way you like. And I do so in respect for your person and the good things you do on Wikipedia. I'd like to be able to say I feel the same attitude from your side. Debresser (talk) 14:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

You are behaving any way you like by taking the law into your own hands by reverting brand new edits that you WP:DONTLIKE. The only way this will be sorted out is if you stop enforcing you POV before the issue at and has been discussed and judged upon by the community. Your censorship tactics are vile. Chesdovi (talk) 14:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry you see things that way. Still, I remember at times even you acknowledged that I am not "wagging a war" against you, and did not revert all the things you did. Even today, I have not reverted your addition of a link to "Palestine" even though I think "Ottoman Palestine" would be more appropriate, and I have agreed with you in a rename discussion to "Category:16th-century rabbis in Palestine". Debresser (talk)

fyi

Hi. I know you've already expressed a view, and it of course may not change your view, but I just wanted to let you know that since then I added a number of sources to Agudas Achim Congregation (Alexandria, Virginia), the subject of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Agudas Achim Congregation (Alexandria, Virginia). Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi -- I've just noticed that you've created articles that have a lesser level of indicia of notability (in the form of refs) that this one now has reflected in the article, so perhaps this now meets your personal criteria of notability. I don't know if you missed this note, so am dropping by again. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Please feel free to nominate them as I did myself recently. Chesdovi (talk) 20:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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Sorry about that. JoshuaZ (talk) 01:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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source quality

I wish you would be more fussy about your sources. It should be obvious that Kaplan's book is a polemic and that he has no expertise in demographics. There isn't any scholarly support for the claim he makes. Zero^talk 14:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Look, I believed him okay, he is a rabbi you know. Okay, this is a good book: [2]. Chesdovi (talk) 15:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the book by Hezser seems quite good. Zero^talk 03:23, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

...but instead you look for tertiary sources whose version you prefer. Encyclopedia Americana??? If you devoted your time to finding the most eminent sources regardless of what they say, you would be a great editor. I'm bothering to make this criticism out of respect.. Zero^talk 09:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

A/E

[3] -asad (talk) 16:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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Sorry

My reversion here was an error - I clicked on the wrong "undo" in my watch list. I reinstated your original text a few minutes later when I saw what happened. Apologies for the error. Tvoz/talk 21:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Topic ban

For the reasons stated in this AE thread, and under the authority of WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions, you are hereby banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces, for one year. This ban may be appealed following the procedures set out in WP:ARBPIA#Appeal of discretionary sanctions; however, I will not consider any appeal until at least three months have elapsed. T. Canens (talk) 09:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Chesdovi, I am, sincerely, sorry that you got hit with a ban of such a length. I think I have told you this before in the past, but I think you are, for the most part, a good editor. However, when you decide to do something you go full steam ahead, without regard for the views of others. I cant lie, I do the same myself though I have tried to go a bit slower in the past year or so. The issue with the categories is a good example (and like Debresser I dont think that it falls in the ARBPIA topic area; while the motivations of some are surely based on Zionist views and a dislike of the word Palestinian, I dont think anybody can make a reasonable argument that whether or not a 16th century Rabbi was Palestinian is in the Arab-Israeli topic area). I wrote at your AE that if you were willing to slow down a bit I would support no ban, and I still would. But look at what happened at Hebron. You completely removed the seal of the city and replaced it with the seal of the settlers council. When that was reverted you added an infobox for the city based on the settlers council. You did not wait to see if your position had any support before restoring the seal, you just decided that you were right and that was the way the article would be. As I am sure you know, I have gotten in a bit of trouble for a similar, and I hope you forgive me for being frank, bullheadedness. I still think you are, for the most part, a decent editor. But you need to slow down when you are in a dispute. Take care, nableezy - 14:37, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I wasn't aware there was anything going on at AE until it was over. Despite the fact that your editing annoys me quite often, I always thought of you as an honest editor and we need honest editors from a variety of viewpoints. If you want to apply for a remission after a time, I'll support you. I'll be out of touch for a few days, though (a very long journey). Zero^talk 10:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Your topic ban and our disagreement

For what it's worth, in my personal opinion the subject of our disagreement - see Category talk:16th-century Palestinian rabbis - is not related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. I for one, do not see it so. But the banning admin might take a different stance on that issue. I suggest you take it up with him. Feel free to quote my opinion to him. Georgewilliamherbert, who topic banned you (and me) from "Israeli / Palestinian topic areas" for 72 hours in this edit obviously thinks differently about this. Debresser (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

You still have not said what the "chief rabbi evidence" proves. Chesdovi (talk) 15:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Now I see the source of the misunderstanding. I was referring to the dictionary entry you brought there. I replied that it proves rather the contrary. I didn't mean the chief-rabbi section at all. Debresser (talk) 15:35, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

The scope of the ban does include Palestinian rabbis, Palestinian minhag, Palestinian synagogues, etc., since it's the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that is the reason we're locked in our debate. If the word "Palestinian" did not come to be associated with Palestinian statehood, there wouldn't be any confusion involved in it and Debresser (talk · contribs) and I probably wouldn't object to it. But despite that being said, I wouldn't have a problem were the banning Admin to make an exception in this case to allow Chesdovi (talk · contribs) to continue contributing to those articles and their related Discussion pages. It wouldn't be fair for User:Debresser or myself to avail ourselves of User:Chesdovi's one-year absence to make changes that would otherwise be seriously challenged. This is also why I think the banning Admin's decision is scandalous. It hurts the Project much more than it helps it. Even though I disagree with Chesdovi's conclusion (though not necessarily his methodology), his contribution to the Project has been outstanding. Debresser, it sounds as though you agree with me. So perhaps we should suspend our discussion for three months, whereupon Chesdovi will be able to submit an appeal of his ban, and when that time comes we'll support lifting it for the reasons I just gave and pick up where we left off.—Biosketch (talk) 06:56, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but I disagree. I think the discussion was closed correctly before when the category was deleted. And I don't see much agreement with Chesdovi's point of view anyway. So I think we should not wait for him, but close the issue as it was. In addition, a banned editor should not try to return to previous disagreements right after the end of his ban. Debresser (talk) 08:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

We shouldn't stoop to the level of other editors who exploit AE to suppress debate and create facts on the ground in controversial articles. The situation now isn't ideal, but it's what we've got. Chesdovi (talk · contribs) put a lot of his time and resources into the discussion at 16th-century rabbis, and we owe him the courtesy of still being considerate of his position, even if it means making a concession we're not happy with for the moment.—Biosketch (talk) 11:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I see no reason to be stuck with a discussion which is decided as it is for possibly up to a year because of this. If anything, Chesdovi's ban lends argument to my opinion, that he is a pushy and tendentious editor, and that all his arguing in this matter is just another example of both these traits. And again, I see a clear consensus disagreeing with Chesdovi. In short, I don't view his ban as a great loss to the community (in effect, the community seems to deem it the best way of resolving a problem), and think we should go on doing the right thing. Sorry to hack Chesdovi's talkpage in such a way, and to write such negative things about him. It's a bit of a chutzpe, but then, that is probably justice. In any case, I do appreciate his positive contributions, but agree with the community decision that at this moment we are better off without him. Debresser (talk) 17:25, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:16th-century Palestinian rabbis

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Chanoch Ehrentreu

Thanks for taking this up.--Peter cohen (talk) 11:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Is there a reason that you deleted the few sentences that I wrote, which did not pass judgement on anyone, merely linked to sources from both sides, and helped to provide a greater understanding of this controversy? Do you actually know anything about it? Why would you get rid of a link to google books? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.67.203.141 (talk) 08:45, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

It was not me. Chesdovi (talk) 09:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

My apologies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.193.116.142 (talk) 11:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Great Synagogue of London

Who destroyed it? Chesdovi (talk) 09:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

You tell me!-it was evidently destroyed by a bomb or a fire that resulted from the Blitz (as is appropriately categorized). But it was not a 'synagogue destroyed by the Nazis' in that they deliberately sent in, or organized, people to smash it up, as they did for the other synagogues in Category:Synagogues destroyed by Nazi Germany.--Smerus (talk) 12:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The German Airforce does not equal the Nazis. Bombings of anything in Brittain by the German airforce are not actions of the Nazis.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Really? The "German Airforce" or Wehrmacht is not synonymous with "Nazi Germany"? How odd. Am I wrong is saying that the Blitz was carried out by Nazi Germany? Chesdovi (talk) 09:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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Etiquette

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Re: Category

Hi Chesdovi! IIRC I was referring to the same discussion, which I started in 2007. The comment about 2007 was just added because it's usually an odd thing to restart a 2-year-old discussion (although not uncommon). Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 13:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

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Cordial invitation

As a sign of goodwill, I'd like to invite you to comment on a proposal about splitting the article on the Arizal, which seems to be more about Lurianic Kabbalah at the moment. Please comment here. Debresser (talk) 03:07, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

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Countries and regions

There are many unclear cases, and "country" isn't a particularly clear term. Even "sovereign state" is not completely clearcut. It seems pretty clear that Bavaria was a sovereign Kingdom from 1814-1871; was it a "country" from 1871-1918 (when it was part of the German Empire) or before 1792, when it was part of the Holy Roman Empire? As for Galicia, there was a sovereign medieval kingdom, but it has not been a sovereign state in modern times. Are empires countries? It seems weird to call the British Empire a country because it recognized various "dominions" (Canada, India, etc.) within it; on the other hand, it isn't a region either. And of course the Ottoman Empire included some dependencies that weren't fully integrated.... --Macrakis (talk) 05:50, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

The Austro-Hungarian Empire was definitely a country in the modern sense of the word. Debresser (talk) 10:19, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Bummer

Please consider this your last warning as to mentioning my name when my editing style. You are using it in such a manor by inferring that I have a bad editing style that goes against policy. Under WP:NPA:

Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence - Serious accusations require serious evidence. Evidence often takes the form of diffs and links presented on wiki. Sometimes evidence is kept private and made available to trusted users.

If there is a matter of my editing that you view is violating WP policy, I suggest you e-mail an administrator about the issue. But making claims about my editing without backing them up (even though you can't even back them up considering your ban) will lead to me seeking enforcement. -asad (talk) 17:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)