Hi Charles01,
Can I use your Camry Estate picture for a book?
Thanks.
celica21gtfour@yahoo.ie
Which picture? What book? It's good that you ask. Several of the pictures I've uploaded to wikipedia simply turn up in unexpected corners of Planet Earth without source information or evidence of attribution: I guess that's the nature of the beast. But since you are polite enough to ask, I cannot help wondering (1) subject of book (2) anticipated print run (3) language(s) / countries of availability.... (4) approx size (number of words / number of picture (5) all the stuff I forgot
(In terms of 'permission' I imagine any authorization I can give you will be subject to Wikipedia's licensing and copyrighting terms which, if yours is a commercial project, you have probably studied and understood in greater depth than I did.)
If this exchange appears to disappear after a few days it's because I'll probably move it to the bottom of the page eventually in order to respect the chronology of the (other) discussions on the page. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Charles01, I just edited the Starlet KP60 5 door, it's the facelift 1981 not 1978. Also try to put the model code and exact year of other Toyotas. BTW, did you take the old car pictures recently or years ago when they were new?
Thank you. These days I do indeed tend to enter model codes for myself when upoading pictures of Toyotas. However, when I uploaded the one that you mention, I would not have entered the model codes. I would have left that for an expert. Back then, there wasn't so much clarity / unanimity on wikipedia about Toyota model codes as there is now, and I would have taken the view that entering a wrong model code was worse than not entering any model code.
To your question, the picture that you just edited of a Toyota Starlet was taken in 1978. That is why I entered '1978' in the date line.... Sorry if that sounds gratuitously sarcastic: I was born in England. More seriously, it is possible that I am wrong about the year when I took the picture, but that is how I filed it way back whenever I did. And it's worth bearing in mind that Toyota launch facelifted models in different years in different countries, so you cannot assume that something introduced in your country in 1981 was introduced everywhere ewlse in the same year. BUT if you are confident of your information, please enter the facelift date in the text surrounding the picture and change the photo date to something like "1981 (estimate)".
More seriously still, where the photograph date and the car date vary significantly, I tend to enter both as in "2009 (photo) 1934 (car)". However, when I started uploading pictures of cars, I thought I'd just do a few, and I didn't have such a structured approach to the process. And as you'll maybe have noticed for yourself, the wiki instruction actually requests the photo date and not (for example) the facelift date.
Hi Charles01,
Regarding the black 5th generation Celica, did you take this pic in Utrecht, NL? From the front light and mirror, it's an American version of 1990-1991 Celica 1.6 ST Coupe. For this matter, I'm pretty sure it's 1990, not 1988. Toyota launched the 5th gen Celica in Japan in Sept 1989, arrived in America a month later, and in most countries in early 1990. I have the German press release dated Dec 1989.
Regards,
Arvin (celica21gtfour).
Yes, I took the picture in Utrecht, Nederland in the little 'drop-off' point / short stay car park above and on the southside of the rail tracks/platforms at the central rail station.
They've extended the Hoog Katherijne (which I almost certainly spell wrongly) shopping centre over the station since then, and I don't think the car park exists in that form any more.
Date? Yes, as far as I can make out from the Japanese entry, production of this version got under way in the Autumn of 1989, so most likely after the summer vacations provided the opportunity to switch dies of the presses and make all the other changes on the production line to accommodate the new shape. So I must have taken the picture in 1989 at the earliest. 1990 would be a reasonable inference. I do remember it was a cold bright winter day (big light: big reflections...) , so March 1990 seems reasonable.
I didn't know this notchback version of this Celica was ever sold in Germany. At that time European markets were viewed more individually than today, and both Belgium and Nederland got a wider range of Toyotas than Germany or UK. I guess the idea was that in countries without a significant 'domestic' auto-industry, the newly expanding Japanese should go for the mass market. But in Germany or UK competing against Volkswagen or Ford UK for the volume sales on their home patches in Germany / UK could be less profitable than concentrating on certain niches. Of course it's also cheaper and quicker to set up relatively dense dealer networks in smaller contries like Nederland & Belgium, which were particularly attractive in that respect because of relatively high earning power coupled with a largely urbanized population, so you need fewer larger dealers to cover the territory than you would in Wales or the corn belt states. Incidentally, I don't think this notchback Celica was ever a big seller anywhere in western Europe: its rarity was one of the reasons I would have been motivated to photograph it. I do, however, also have somewhere a picture of one with a Belgian license plate (which I guess is why I'm going on about NL and B in this para.
Hi Charles01,
Perhaps someone brought this black Celica 1.6 ST-i notchback from USA. I know someone brought a US spec GT-Four (All-Trac) to Belgium, then he moved to Finland. Another All-Trac was found for sale in Hungary. When I had vacation in Europe, I found US spec Lexus SC400 in France, Tercel in Italy, and Camry LE in Belgium. It's quite common to see US spec cars in Europe.
For the 5th gen Celica, UK only got 2.0 GT-i Liftback, GT-Four & GT-Four Carlos Sainz, while in the Continent there were 1.6 ST-i Liftback & 2.0 GT-i Cabriolet. The wide body Liftback 2.0 GTS-i was sold exclusively in NL & B.
BTW, where did you take pic of 4th gen Celica notchback?
Regards,
Arvin (celica21gtfour).
Not entirely sure which Toyota Celica counts as fourth generation, but if you mean this one I photographed it in Cambridge, England (at the north end of the Trumpington Road, along a little parallel road called, as far as I remember, Brookside) I don't think it's a UK spec model tho, and from what I can see of the wipers it might not even have the steering wheel on the "English" (and indeed Japanese) side of the car. It's true there are a lot of US spec cars that fetch up in Europe, especially where there are US military bases nearby. There are a lot of US military bases near to Cambridge left over from World War II because it was close to Germany which the Brits and their allies were at the time keen to bomb. The bases stayed, primarily because of the threatening stance of the Soviets, and of course the US military personnel almost all had cars which they were often able to purchase (at least by European standards) for fantastically low prices. For Japanese originating cars you also get a lot of 'grey imports' in the UK, because (1) the Japanese used car market generally fixes lower used car prices than the European used car market and (2) the Brits and the Japanese agree that in North America, and in most of Europe, folks all drive on the 'wrong' side of the road. Still, I guess it's the differences that make life interesting as long as we don't all see it as a reason to drop bombs on each other again. Regards Charles01 (talk) 09:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have somewhere a 1964 copy Who's Who which could form a basis for something. Most of my edits on this type of thing come from contemporary motor magazines. I confess I was hoping that someone somewhere better informed with sourced info than I am might be tempted. Though if no one does I guess that ... eventually I might kick something off on the sons. Charles01 (talk) 19:07, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
