User talk:ChaosMaster16/Archive102

July 2010

Hello. It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on others' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Pifeedback.com. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. You have asked for feedback on 5 different user talk pages on my watchlist, including my own; as far as I am aware, you don't have reason to believe that any of the people you have canvassed have any direct interest in the discussion, either. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 13:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

• Please stop. —mono 23:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

ANI

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 13:46, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Signature

I'm not sure if it is intentional but your signature shows up as "ChaosMaster16 (talk) 14:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)ChaosMaster16" witch "ChaosMaster16" at the end again. It's kinda weird. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

How could I change my signatura and make it similar to yours with a different stlye or something?ChaosMaster16 (talk) 14:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)ChaosMaster16

For customizing your signature see WP:CUSTOMSIG. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 14:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Fixed it! ChaosMaster_Chat

Do you type "~~~~ChaosMaster16", to sign your posts you have to just type ~~~~? Because ~~~~ puts your name, specified in your prefs, and then the date, no need to put your name after the tildes again. Unless that's how you want it. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 15:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I typed my name... For this reply, I just will type "~~~~" ChaosMaster_Chat 15:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Regarding tracking anti-vandalism edits

ChaosMaster, I'm not an admin, but I am a rollbacker and I saw your request for the rollback tool, as well as your question about keeping track of your anti-vandalism edits. I don't know of any tool or script that specifically does that, but I suppose you could use the edit counter to help you out: at the top of your page, click on "My contributions", which will bring you to a chronological list of all of the edits you've made. By default, each screen shows 50 edits. Since, as a general rule, each of your anti-vandalism edits should be accompanied by a warning, then at least two screens worth of nothing but anti-vandalism edits might fit the bill. This would, of course, require you to do nothing but anti-vandalism for awhile but, even if you did other types of editing along the way, it might still give you (and admins) a way of estimating the volume of your anti-vandalism efforts. (You can also increase the number of edits shown on each page in various increments, as you'll see.) Hope that helps. Regards, • CinchBug • 21:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I apreciate it. ChaosMaster_Chat 21:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Regards, • CinchBug • 21:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

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ANI discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Problematic user: ChaosMaster16 (Again). Thank you. --AussieLegend (talk) 20:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello

I'm pleased the recent ANI incident seems to be resolved without any sanctions imposed.

I'm going to take the liberty of offering some advice which you are obviously free to take or leave.

Personally, I would be extremely careful in future not to be seen to be "pushing the limits" in any way with my edits. If there was another ANI case following up on the recent ones, for similar reasons, I think it would be very hard to argue that there wasn't a persistent problem. One of the things ANI participants tend to react badly to is repeat behaviour of a similar nature.

I don't think adding more references using a source that is still under discussion at WP:RS, until consensus was reached that it was reliable, would be a good idea, for instance - nor, obviously would any sort of canvassing that might be construed as undue. Those are just the obvious examples.

I'm sure you probably realise these things anyway, and you must make your own decisions. I hope you don't see this as condescending - it's not intended that way at all. All I can do is offer my feelings on what I would do.

I'm sure you have Wikipedia's best interests at heart, and I certainly don't want you to feel I'm in any way "telling you what to do". I have neither the authority, nor the wish to do that. I offer these comments purely as personal advice which I hope you will take in that spirit.

Good luck, and happy editing...  Begoon^talk 20:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I apreciate your advice and its not in all way you telling me what to do. I try to keep Wikipedia's best interest at heart, its the least I can do without causing much trouble. Thanks again for your time and advice, and maybe in the future, I'll even ask you for input or opinions, or even just to talk about whats going on. ChaosMaster_Chat 00:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

You are always welcome to do that. I'd be more than happy to help where I can. I have no knowledge of most of the entertainment stuff you edit - although my wife is a big Twilight fan :) - but for general chat on Wikipedia stuff my talkpage is pretty much open-house. You don't even have to bring beer, although it will not be refused. Good luck  Begoon^talk 03:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk Page Heading

Why does it say "Hello, Begoon, and welcome to Wikipedia." at the top of your userpage Chaos? Mike Allen 03:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

lol - Wikicode on the template - seems to be name of last user to post - it said Mike Allen, till I posted this...  Begoon^talk 03:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

LOL. Looks like there would be a way to list the user's name that is viewing the page before they comment, to draw their attention -- not after. :P Mike Allen 03:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah - I'm checking that now - hopefully, I'll fix it for him in a minute  Begoon^talk 03:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not sure it can be fixed - it's designed to be used on an editnotice page, and shows the name of the user currently editing, or who last edited - it uses {{REVISIONUSER}} which is a Magic Word. I can't see one that would work for someone just viewing a page - but I'll keep looking for a while, though it may be impossible.  Begoon^talk 03:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, there is nothing that you can use to show the name of the user just viewing the page. There are extensions to MediaWiki that do it, but they are not installed on Wikipedia because they break caching of pages - so you can only do it as I said above, when editing, on an editnotice etc... That's because the editnotice is transcluded at the time you edit - so it shows the current user.

Someone cleverer than me might be able to solve it, or find a previous solution, but I can't see a way at the moment. I'll edit the template to take it out for now - Chaos can always just revert me if he finds a solution - the page is User talk:ChaosMaster/Template1  Begoon^talk 05:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't that kind of be like a web beacon? Lol. I'm sure it couldn't be logged (so someone can see who visits their page). But, I just thought about that. Thanks for checking it out, this is the first time I've seen it. Mike Allen 05:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

It's largely because the template that was used was designed for an editnotice where it works fine. When you edit this page, it works fine on the new editnotice Chaos is using. Until you click edit, though, Wikipedia just shows you the cached version of the page - it doesn't check who you are every time you look at a page - the server overhead would be massive. I guess you don't see it because people don't generally use editnotice templates with that Magic Word at the top of a page like this.  Begoon^talk 06:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, now that makes sense! Thanks for your independent investigation into this. :P Mike Allen 01:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks guys for straightening this out for me. I didn't realize that I wasn't using it correctly. And I don't mind it at all, it was a helpful edit to say the least. ChaosMaster_Chat 19:10, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Merlin episodes template

Hello ChaosMaster16. I came across this and must admit I am confused. Did you mean to tag it as an attack page? If so, why? Thanks in advance, Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 15:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I meant to tag it for speedy deletion because the links in the template all redirect back to one place: the article the template was used in. ChaosMaster_Chat 15:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the explanation. It does not qualify for speedy deletion then. I see that you have have redirected all the individual episode articles to List of Merlin episodes. Was there a discussion about this? If there was, could you direct me to it with a link? Thanks much, Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 15:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

There wasn't a discussion about it. The pages were just longer summaries of episodes, with some Trivia, Goofs, exc. sections. There was usually about 2-3 references per page, and I took the initiative to merge the things worth saving into the main articles (Merlin (TV Series) and List of Merlin episodes). It just didn't make sense to have 26 pages of nothing else but longer summaries and a picture that (supposedly) went with the episode. ChaosMaster_Chat 15:27, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

The one that I looked at, "The Dragon's Call", had a reasonable section on "reception" that had multiple sources. I'm not going to undo your edits, but I thinks it's quite possible that another editor might, and then initiate a discussion to determine consensus. If that happens, I hope it is not overly frustrating for you. It's part of the WP:BRD cycle. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 15:34, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

If your merging effort does stick, you can nominate {{Merlin - Series 1}} for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 15:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

It won't be, I figured that episode would probably be the only one really disputed, if any at all. I did move an exact copy of that reception section to the main article, as that had no reception at all, so it wasn't lost really. But no worries, I'll follow WP:BRD if they do get reverted. I have no intention of starting an edit war or anything like that. Alright, and would I be able to do the same for the second, {{Merlin - Series 2}}? ChaosMaster_Chat 15:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, same thing for the Series 2 template. It could be part of the same discussion. Now I see what you did with the reception section from the "Dragon's Call" article. With this edit, you merged it into Merlin (TV series). Sorry to be the one pointing out problems with your edits here, but when you did that, you did not follow the instructions at WP:SMERGE and it has become a violation of Wikipedia's licensing requirements. You made it look as if you wrote that text, as you did not provide attribution to the original editors who wrote that text. At this point, I might suggest that you undo it, and maybe start over with a merge discussion. Again, sorry to be the one who is pointing all this out to you. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 15:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Would it be possible for me to redirect the Dragon Call page to the TV series page (not episode list, like it currently is) and put in the description the attribution to the original editors, also editing the Reception section on the TV article with the same attribution? I have no problem with undoing it, it just seems easier this way. ChaosMaster_Chat 16:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I think that would probably be fine, if you follow the instructions at WP:SMERGE. I don't have much experience with TV episode articles myself, so maybe you could also ask User:Bignole to take at look at what you do. (I just noticed the other conversation here on your talk page.) Thanks for understanding, Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 16:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for your help with all of this. ChaosMaster_Chat 16:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. And just to let you know, I also noticed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lancelot and Guinevere (Merlin) which again would indicate that redirecting all the episodes to the list might be controversial. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 16:26, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

*Laughs* I just saw that not five minues before you pointed that out. I'm reading it now, and its a pretty interesting discussion honestly. I think I will see what comes of the situation within the next week or so and go foward from there. ChaosMaster_Chat 16:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn

Hi there. I noticed that principal photography has not started on Breaking Dawn. I remembered that this had been a redirect, so I checked the history and saw that you decided to spin off information about Breaking Dawn about a month ago. Your edit summary reads: "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." This film does just that. But the general notability guideline says that the presumption of a subject's notability is not a guarantee that it's appropriate for inclusion in a stand-alone article. I don't see any reason why information about Breaking Dawn shouldn't be at The Twilight Saga (film series)#The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn (2011/2012) until after principal photography starts in accordance with the future film notability guideline. I think the redirect should be restored. You can keep developing the stand-alone article at the incubator for the time being, and I'll give you a hand if you'd like. Cliff smith ^talk 19:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I will agree with you. But instead of the The Twilight Saga (film series)#The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn (2011/2012) destination, how about the The Twilight Saga (film series)#Production, where it was originaly located? I'll just add some casting information and it should be fine, as most of the production has been there since I started the article. Also, since I am not familiar with the incubator, would it be too much to ask if you convert it over there? ChaosMaster_Chat 22:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds good to me. Yeah, I'll set it up at the incubator. It'll be here: Wikipedia:Article Incubator/The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn. If you would, set up the redirect once you get this. Cliff smith ^talk 01:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

All done. ChaosMaster_Chat 02:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Right, well as I said I'm more than willing to work with you on this one, but based on your previous contributions and your continuing efforts on this and other Twilight-related articles, I don't know if you'll really need it lol. Keep it up! Cheers, Cliff smith ^talk 02:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! And feel free to contribute at anytime. ChaosMaster_Chat 03:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Ayuda?

Yo, Chaos. During my scout of the Inception (film) discussion area, I came across your signature. Being a newbie on Wikipedia, I decided I was going to come to you for assistance. I have already made an attempt at creating my custom one, but whenever I try to put it into my preferences bar, it says "Invalid Raw HTML" or something similar. I was wondering if you were available anytime soon to check Trash Bin and check out what could possibly be the problem? Caledir 21:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I made some changes. Hopefully it works. If not, drop by here again; I'm always happy to help. ChaosMaster_Chat 22:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Haha! Awesome! Thanks Chaos.  Caledir _Chat 22:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

One more thing. Since I've gotten the basics of Wiki down, I was wondering if you could assist me somehow on jump starting my Caledir user page.  Caledir _Chat 22:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem. And maybe you can start with something basic? I updated your userpage with the one I started with, and you can edit it anyway you like, but the headings are some suggestions. Since you are quite new, here is an FAQ section, assuming you don't know much about editng or creating a page. If you need more help, or want further articles similar to the FAQ, you can find them on my userpage or you can just ask me. Either way, I'll be glad to help in anyway I can... and I hope I was helpful today :P ChaosMaster_Chat 02:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I love you.  Caledir _Chat 06:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Smallville PRs

I see them in the pile at PR. If no one reviews them before they get old enough to appear in the backlog list, I'll do at least one. We are always running behind at PR because of a chronic shortage of reviewers. It would help reduce the pile if you could review anything in the backlog that appeals to you. Finetooth (talk) 16:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

No particular format, although, as the instructions at the top of the WP:PR page say, please don't use images or anything else that would increase the load time. You can look at a few PRs and just imitate a format that you like. Anyone can review, and reviews come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. Basically, you are talking directly to another editor and giving advice or asking pointed questions (in a polite way). Be sure to add your sig so that the other editor can talk to you if need be. Finetooth (talk) 17:47, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

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The Last Airbender Metacritic characterization

Please come to the talk page to discuss your reversal of my edit -- you can find it under the heading "Removing Metacritic statement". I would have thought that you would have not reverted it given your recommendation: "If you disagree with an edit I made, please don't revert it." Thanks! ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 19:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Twilight Saga: New Moon

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article The Twilight Saga: New Moon you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 14 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. – Ms. Sarita ^Confer 16:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. ChaosMaster_Chat 17:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)