User talk:Cglife.trummler

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With respect to this text and reference[1]

1) That was already covered in the lead

2) The journal appears to have no impact factor and thus is questionable.

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:24, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching the repetition! I'll save the philosophical debate about impact factors for another time, but I see your point about taking a closer look when it's, uh, missing ;) --Cglife.trummler (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Vit C edits

C - You have now bumped into (and been reversed by) two of the most experienced, prolific editors on various Wikipedia medicine-related articles, Doc James and Zefr. So I recommend not getting into an edit war with either. On a more general note, some of your additions not MEDRS. David notMD (talk) 17:55, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Roger that. I'm taking a fresh look at WP:MEDRS. Also, I see Vit C has been nominated for good article and that you've been heavily involved in that. Thanks for your work on it, and good luck! Cglife.trummler (talk) 20:04, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've been active all over the nutrition map, but trying to avoid that feeling of ownership that can infect Wikipedia editors. P.S. jtydog is another avid monitor of all things medical, and especially vigilant for issues pertaining to non-declared COI.

You are taking a right approach to declaring whenever editing. A even more conservative approach would be to create a New section in Talk for an article and put your proposed text and citation(s) there, for review first. I rarely do this myself, but I did it recently for an update on whether dietary fatty acids can be considered a treatment for rheumatoid arthritis. I moved content into the article after Doc James OK'd it. David notMD (talk) 20:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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PR firms

Hi - I work lots of issues of conflict of interest and advocacy in Wikipedia, along with my regular editing which is mostly about health and medicine. I also write about biotech companies.

Thanks for being open to working within the PAID policy and COI guideline. You might want to check out (and sign onto) the WP:Statement on Wikipedia from participating communications firms, if you are not aware of it.

There are actually two steps to COI management here in Wikipedia, which are very similar to standard scientific publishing:

disclosure
prior peer review

That's how it works, right?

With regard to the peer review piece, it is a bit weird in Wikipedia, as anybody can edit directly. But per both the COI guideline and PAID policy, if you edit on a topic where you have a COI, you should not edit directly.

Instead,

a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have, create the article as a draft through the WP:AFC process, disclose your COI on the Talk page with the Template:Connected contributor (paid) tag, and then submit the draft article for review (the AfC process sets up a nice big button for you to click when it is ready) so it can be reviewed before it publishes; and

b) And if you want to change content in any existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to

(i) disclose at the Talk page of the article with the Template:Connected contributor (paid) tag, putting it at the bottom of the beige box at the top of the page; and

(ii) propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself. Just open a new section, put the proposed content there, and just below the header (at the top of the editing window) please the {{request edit}} tag to flag it for other editors to review. In general it should be relatively short so that it is not too much review at once. Sometimes editors propose complete rewrites, providing a link to their sandbox for example. This is OK to do but please be aware that it is lot more for volunteers to process and will probably take longer.

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I hope that makes sense to you. Happy to discuss, if anything doesn't. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 06:04, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

by the way, we are plagued with people spamming refs - both authors and publishers -- to the point where we have an essay about it - see WP:REFSPAM. Please don't waste people's time promoting articles that fail MEDRS by miles. Jytdog (talk) 06:38, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cglife.trummler: I appreciate your taking my advice about proposing content in Talk rather than adding directly to articles, given your association with PR for a journal, but the edits you proposed for various articles were consistently rejected as not being MEDRS. My guess is that this is the nature of the types of articles published in the journal you work with. The solution would be to stop trying to add content based on any articles published in the journal. And comply with MEDRS. David notMD (talk) 17:31, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]