User talk:Cartoonistguy47

January 2013

Hello, I'm United States Man. I wanted to let you know that I undid two of your recent contributions to Gary Burghoff because they didn't appear to be constructive. You will need to provide a reliable source for the name change. Thanks, United States Man (talk) 21:05, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I cannot trust that as a reliable source (even though you are probably true). If he wants it changed then someone will need to release a reliable article about him on the internet so that can be used as a source. I am sorry that I had to revert it, but it would be against Wikipedia's policies not to do so. United States Man (talk) 01:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I've read over that section of Burghoff's book on the Amazon preview. While it does identify Burghoff's mother's maiden name as "Rich" it does not say that he was named after her, nor does it indicate it was his middle name. Drawing this conclusion is original research and inappropriate. Please cease edit warring over this; there are two sources that state his middle name is Richard (and "Rich" is a frequently used short form for Richard for that matter) and so far I have seen none that explicitly state it is "Rich". Please find a source that is reliable and explicit on this point rather than continuing to revert. You are free to bring this up at the BLP noticeboard if you would like, or I can do so if you are not satisfied with these comments. Continuing to edit war will result in such a posting. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 19:38, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Personal communications are not a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes, see WP:RS. If Mr Burghoff wants this corrected, he should use the process set out at WP:BIOSELF to contact Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 20:09, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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BLPN

Note discussion here. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 19:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Three points:

1. I am not the same person as United States Man (talk · contribs), there are two people who are reverting your edits and for the same reasons.
2. The standard for changes to pages are what can be verified in reliable sources, not whether you are a father or friend of the subject of the page.
3. It is an absolute necessity that sources are explicit in verifying information. The mere fact that Burghoff's mother was originally named "Rich" has no relation to what his middle name is; believing this is so is original research and is not permitted.

I understand that you may be frustrated, but we have essentially no way of knowing if you are really in contact with Mr. Burghoff; I could say I am in communication with him, and that he told me his middle name is Sue, after the Johnny Cash song. Thus use of independent, reliable sources to verify text. You could try contacting someone on the volunteer response team (if you have e-mail enabled on your account, you can e-mail them and thus avoid discussions on publicly accessible talk pages) for more clarification. Thanks, WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 20:13, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Dude. Go here. It's the best place to centralize a discussion like this. There is an existing section, several people have already commented. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 20:33, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Deleting your messages

Please do not delete messages that you have left on talk pages other than your own. Thank you.--ukexpat (talk) 21:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

...even when I'm trying to back away from all of this, I have people sending me messages not to edit. This is beyond maddening.

Yes, even then. You can edit your own talk page but you must not remove messages on other users' talk pages unless you are reverting vandalism. See WP:Talk page.--ukexpat (talk) 21:14, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Cartoonist, you should feel free to erase everything on this page if you like. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 21:30, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Erik. Many, many thanks. It's nice to see actual humanity and not arrogance, as this has been a nightmare. If you can, feel free to delete anything I've typed. We will go another route to solve the middle name change. In the meantime, no middle name is better than the wrong one.Cartoonistguy47 (talk) 21:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)Mark

Just to let you know, I will be readding the messages since they are on my talk page. United States Man (talk) 21:48, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

USM: would you consider deleting the section from your talk page? That would be a very nice gesture. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 22:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Gary

If this "Rich" issue is important to you, have your friend create a twitter account and make sure he gets it verified by twitter. From there have him publish his full name. That would be perfectly acceptable as a primary source.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  23:19, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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