User talk:CartoonCara

Here's wishing you a welcome to Wikipedia, CartoonCara. Thank you for your contributions. Here are some useful links, which have information to help editors get the most out of Wikipedia:

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page, consult Wikipedia:Questions, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there.

Again, welcome! Jytdog (talk) 04:41, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Erin Fitzgerald credits

Please use cite video game or cite episode when referencing credits of video games and cartoons for Erin Fitzgerald. Do not use your own hearing or voice matching videos as that is original research. And do not use IMDb as a reference WP:IMDB/RS. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 07:01, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia, socking

Hi CartoonCara I work on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia. Your edits to date are all about Erin Fitzgerald and are promotional. I'm giving you notice of our Conflict of Interest guideline and Terms of Use, and will have some comments and requests for you below.

We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, please:

avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your circle, your organization, its competitors, projects or products;
instead propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{request edit}} template);
when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you.

Comments and requests on COI

Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest;; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by our WP:OUTING policy) would you please disclose if you have some connection with XXXX? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a connection, with please disclose it. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Wikipedia, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. Please reply here, just below this comment - I am watching this page. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 04:52, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note - CartoonCara you said below that you don't work for Fitzgerald, but you are a fan. OK. We are going to have to talk about what we call "advocacy" in Wikipedia. I will open a new section on that. Jytdog (talk) 06:02, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ok, I am a fan of Erin's since ed, edd and eddy. I follow all her social media and play all her games and watch all her shows. I have been contributing to her wiki page since i first found it. I started communicating with her for greater accuracy. She herself respects wikipedia and even donates to it because it is kept so clean. I only want to keep her page accurate to all of her body of work not just the things anime fans know.

I think i'm just gonna let you guys do what you do while i take a HUGE step back to learn all the policies and procedures. it all reads like legaleez to me. so it may take a very long time for me to learn. like just now, i almost forgot to log in again! so sorry for the mess i have made. Erin thinks its funny what has occured but I am terribly embarrased. I will leave this alone as you suggested. I am so sorry. CartoonCara (talk) 06:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC) CartoonCara[reply]

SOCKING

CartoonCara, I just want to make sure you are aware that editing in a way that makes it look like you are more than one person, is a violation of one our policies. If we suspect that someone is acting like they are two people, we have tools that can determine that, and if we find someone is doing that, they get blocked or banned from Wikipedia. I just want to be sure you are aware of this. Please let me know that you have read this. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 04:52, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have found this talk area confusing, but seem to be getting the hang of it. I do want to abide by the guidelines for certain. I do not work for Erin in anyway. I am simply a fan of her work and know it quite well. It may take me a while to grasp all of these guidelines. I appreciate the assistance and guidance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.174.97.118 (talk) 04:55, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

oh gosh also i need to remember to sign in. CartoonCara (talk) 04:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is ok, there is a lot to learn and nobody is going to be super harsh as long as you make it clear that it matters to you to do the right thing in Wikipedia and that you are trying to do the right thing. It will be OK. OK, so you replied to my question -- you are a fan. OK, there are some things I need to let you know about that....I will write that in a minute. Jytdog (talk) 05:53, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How to use Talk pages in Wikipedia

First of all, please do read the talk page guidelines (they are at the link there - you will find that in Wikipedia, while people discuss things, they refer to the policies and guidelines that govern this place all the time, using links in all caps. It can be a bit jarring, but it is how we talk here!_

Really quickly, when you are talking with people on talk pages, there are two kinds of "technical" things you need to. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting - when you reply to someone, you put a colon ":" in front of your comment, and the WP software converts that into an indent; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons "::" which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this {{od}} in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense. Also, at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~~~~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages. That is how we know who said what. I'll show you what I mean in a sec - I will reply to myself... Jytdog (talk) 05:58, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

so i put one colon in front of this sentence, and the Wikipedia (WP) software indented this one tab. This is what i would do if I were someone else, replying to the comment above. Jytdog (talk) 05:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

two colons, and it indents twice .. this is how I would reply to that person. Jytdog (talk) 05:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

and this is that "outdent thing. OK? Jytdog (talk) 05:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

would i do 3 colons to respond?CartoonCara (talk) 06:05, 25 February 2016 (UTC) CartoonCara[reply]

You are getting it! :) Just always do one more than the person above you. Jytdog (talk) 06:21, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction to Wikipedia, and what you need to be careful of, if you are a fan of topics you edit

Based on what you have wrote above, I want to make sure are aware of issues with what we call "advocacy" in Wikipedia.

There are a lot of things that Wikipedia is not (please do read What Wikipedia is not) and one of the things WP is not, is a platform for advocacy, or fans to share their passions. Please especially see the section, WP:NOTADVOCACY. "What Wikipedia is Not" is both a policy and a "pillar" - something very essential to the very guts of this place. People come edit for many reasons, but one of the main ones is that they are passionate about something. That passion is a double-edged sword. It drives people to contribute which has the potential for productive construction to the encyclopedia, but it can also lead people to abuse Wikipedia - to hijack it from its mission of providing the world with free access to "accepted knowledge." Some people come here and try to create promotional content about their companies (classic "COI"), some come to tell everybody how bad it is to eat meat, some come to grind various political axes, and some people come here to make celebs seem just awesome... ... we get all kinds of advocacy (COI is just a subset of it) It all comes down to violations of NOTADVOCACY. A lot of times, people don't even understand this is not OK. I try to talk with folks, to make sure they are aware of these issues.

For non-COI advocacy issues, we have three very good essays offering advice - one is WP:ADVOCACY another is WP:SPA, and see also WP:TENDENTIOUS. All of these are things you should read and think about.

So, while I hear you that you are a big fan of Erin n the real world, but please do try to check that at the login page. Remember that our goal here is to be neutral, and because you are a fan, you come to the table not really neutral... right? you need to be careful, not to let your enthusiasm run away with you, and when other people who are not fans tell you to slow down or something, you need to catch yourself, and listen to them. We get into all kinds of what we call "drama" when fans will not listen, and just demand things be just like they want, because they know best, because they love X the most. It doesn't work that way here! OK?

And while you are free to edit about whatever the heck you want, please do consider broadening the scope of your editing. (I do realize that you are just getting started here, and everybody starts somewhere! Who knows where you will end up)

So really briefly, let me tell how this place works, as it is like no where else on earth. This place is, more than anything, a community that works together to try to create a really great source of knowledge for people everywhere in the world. (not fan sites! :) )

The community governs itself. There are no "bosses" here. There are people we call "administrators" who can do things like block or ban you. They are kind of like cops and judges, all rolled into one. But they are very accountable to the community. If admins (as we call them) act really badly, we can "fire" them.

What does govern what we do, and how we behave here, are the policies and guidelines that the community itself created over the past 15 years, to govern itself. This place is not a wild west - there is a kind of "rule of law" here. It can be really beautiful. But it takes time to learn.

Here is the very quick rundown on the key policies and guidelines:

Key content policies and guidelines

WP:NOT (what WP is, and is not -- this is where you'll find the "accepted knowledge" thing, and the "not a fan site" thing)
BLP this describes how we write about living people. (This one is really important for you since you want to write about Erin - please be sure to read it!)
WP:OR - no original research is allowed here (you can't just make things up), instead
WP:VERIFY - everything has to be cited to a reliable source (so everything in WP comes down, to the sources you bring!) (and "Erin said that is what she likes" is not a reliable source here)
WP:RS is the guideline defining what a "reliable source" is for general content; and WP:MEDRS defines what reliable sourcing is for content about health
WP:NPOV - the content that gets written, needs to be "neutral" (as we define that here, which doesn't mean what you think -- it means that the language has to be neutral, and that topics in a given article are given appropriate "weight" (space and emphasis). It also doesn't mean "balanced". If someone is a complete jerk in the real world, and that is how most reliable sources describe him, that is what the article will give the most space to. See what I mean? This also goes between articles. The article on Meryl Streep and the article on Erin need to make sense, if you put them next to one another.

Key behavioral policies and guidelines

WP:CONSENSUS - we decide stuff together, by talking. But the discussion, and the decisions we make, need to be based on and include past consensus. The policies and guidelines are expressions of past consensus. That is why we cite them all the time. Otherwise we would have been having the same discussions for 15 years now!
WP:CIVIL - we try to talk nicely to each other
WP:HARASSMENT - kind of the flipside of CIVIL. if you get upset with someone don't chase them all around, don't call them bad names. You know, don't harass people. This also means, don't try to figure out who people are in the real world. Privacy is strictly protected.
WP:AGF - assume good faith. Don't get all paranoid about what other editors are thinking. if you get into a disagreement with someone about content, talk about the content, not the other editor. It is never about what I think, or what you think, or what Erin thinks. We make decisions together, based on what sources say, and what the policies and guidelines say. And yes, common sense.
WP:TPG - this describes how to behave while talking to other editors

It takes time to learn these things. A lot of them are common sense-y, but some are not so much. So if someone says, "hey that thing you did was wrong because of WP:BLP, you need to stop, and figure out what they mean. OK?

I hope that was all helpful. Happy to answer any questions you have. Jytdog (talk) 06:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

thanks, i guess what i find most disheartening is thinking i was being neutral and just adding the facts. Facts that no one else was finding. like the name of each monster high movie she was in, or that because Ever After High got picked up by netflix Mattel made movies under them they are each an individual feature film. i appreciate your help a lot. i will keep all your messages as reference material, if I ever get the courage to try again. CartoonCara (talk) 06:27, 25 February 2016 (UTC) CartoonCara[reply]

Please please don't be freaked out. There are lots of super nice people who will help you. Just slow down, and listen to them. OK? Jytdog (talk) 06:31, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In any case, I am going to get out of the way here. The people working on the article will be really happy to help you, if you talk with them and work with them. I really wish you good luck here. Jytdog (talk) 06:34, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

One last thing, just like this is your Talk page, every article has a Talk page. You get to it, by clicking the "Talk" tab near the upper left corner of the article. Every article has one. You can link to it, like this Talk:Erin Fitzgerald. If you get into a disagreement with someone about content of an article, that is where you discuss it. That way, everybody who cares about the article can participate. OK - again, good luck! Jytdog (talk) 06:40, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]