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PNG vs JPG

Hi. Regarding your image reversal on Map of the Soul: 7 ~ The Journey ~, where can I find the project policy regarding file formats? I opted for the JPG purely on the image quality basis. —capmo (talk) 21:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Capmo: sorry for the late response to this. Honestly, I can't recall seeing anything specified on the MOS for Albums or Songs, or on their respective infobox templates, but I could have missed something right there for all I know. I've only ever uploaded 2 images for album art, INU in 2018 which was in jpg format and accepted wo issue, and then one for Lights in 2019, also jpg format, which was changed for a PNG format file instead. I just repeated to you what Ss112 had told me before because he's way more knowledgeable on these things than I am so I took his word for it, and I've also seen other long-time editors say the same thing. The best I can direct you to (and what I've been going off of) is this, particularly where it states "...PNGs allow further editing without degrading the image.", aside from the general policy. I don't know when or where exactly the consensus for PNG over JPG occurred as regards album art (discussion usually happens somewhere on WP but not everyone is usually aware) but maybe Ss112 can clear it up for us so we know clearly going forward? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 22:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for all the info. I agree that PNGs are great for non-photographic images, but only if they can be generated from the original (digital) image. It doesn't make much sense to convert a JPG into a PNG. The JPG format is lossy, and a PNG generated from it won't be any better than it. In this case specifically (Map of the Soul), the JPG looks way better, that's why I'm insisting on it for the article. Regards, —capmo (talk) 02:09, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Stay Gold (BTS song) has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Stay Gold (BTS song). Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 23:18, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Power Radio Summer Awards

Hi, would you help me add this event to the Blackpink Awards? Thank you. Here is the source: https://www.wearepoweruk.com/summer-awards-2020.html Ghostintears (talk) 19:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that nomination should be added to the table. That is a non-notable radio station award. It does not receive extensive coverage from reliable secondary sources and iirc was removed from an older version of the BTS awards article for those very reasons. Carlobunnie (talk) 19:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay, aside from that, you should update the rumor, for example the Soribada Awards. Would you be kind enough to update it? Thank youGhostintears (talk) 19:53, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Sure. But please don't forget what I told you about other awards you've left in the table ok? You need to find good sources for those or they'll have to be removed too. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay, don't worry. When you update the table, notify me, so I also update it on the Italian Wikipedia. Ghostintears (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I updated the table. Carlobunnie (talk) 21:06, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you 🙂 Ghostintears (talk) 21:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, the Meus Prêmios Nick nominations have come out. Can I add nominations to the Blackpink Awards entry? Ghostintears (talk) 10:50, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ghostintears: yes as long as it's supported by a reliable source! -- Carlobunnie (talk) 13:24, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

http://nickalive.blogspot.com/2020/07/nickelodeon-brazil-announces-meus.html

Here is the source. I see that the BTS have also been nominated. Ghostintears (talk) 17:12, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ghostintears: ah I think you should wait a bit to update the table because the nick blogspot page isn't considered a reliable source. If you can find a news article about the nomination that would be better. I won't update the BTS article until secondary sources mention their nom. Carlobunnie (talk) 17:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: So let's do this: When you find the reliable source I will add it. Ghostintears (talk) 17:20, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ghostintears: I updated the blackpink table with the MPN 2020 noms and made another adjustment to the previous nominations. You'll see the note in my edit summary. Carlobunnie (talk) 12:47, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Thanks a lot, now I edit it also on the Italian voice. Ghostintears (talk) 13:59, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Re: Update to Blackpink awards articles (Eng+Ita wiki)

These days I am not meditating much, only small changes. However, I corrected some corrections on the Italian page. -- Ghostintears (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For rescuing me literally every time with some tricky copy-editing. ;) Have you considered joining the GOCE? Ashleyyoursmile! 17:36, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Myx Music Awards 2020

Apologies for reverting you, but it seemed the cleanest way of getting rid of the rest of the IP's garbage. I've posted at WP:Requests for page protection#Current requests for increase in protection level. Narky Blert (talk) 04:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: it's totally fine. I only just realized my revert hadn't caught everything. And yeah, the page has been suffering from a LOT of vandalism. I really don't get why but hopefully now with the protection req it'll ease up. I was literally losing my mind with all the annoying disruptive edits from the ip's. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Fingers crossed. The IP is a rangehopper on Asian Vision in Makati/Batangas, Philippines. A rangeblock might result in a lot of collateral damage. Fortunately, they seem to have a one-track mind. If they register an account and start getting round the block that way, {{ping}} me. I know how to post about abusive accounts at WP:ANI. Narky Blert (talk) 04:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: the page was unprotected and it's been repeatedly vandalized since. I just checked it. Think you can request increased protection this time? I didn't do a location check on the ip but I'm assuming it's very much like the one above if not the same. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:37, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

It turns out that the latest batch of edits by the 223.25.26.xxx IPs since protection was lifted resulted in no difference whatsoever; so that's a relief. Both those IPs were blocked for a week on 31 August (click on their IPs in the edit history to see; by a different admin to the one who protected the page), so the page should be safe for now, and there's no immediate need to protect it. Keep your eyes open; but let's hope they get bored and give up. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 06:27, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

bts are legends that wont come 2 times

BTS ARE LEGEND AND POWERFULL THEY BROKE ALL THE LANGUAGE BARRIERS AND I LOVE THEM HAPPY BIRTHDAY JUNGKOOKIE CONGRATS ON NO1 BILLBOARD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.61.22.204 (talk) 00:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

This might be too late to say this, but you should put that message on Twitter or other social media platforms instead of Wikipedia. SmallPotato ^talk 04:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	You have helped me multiple times and I always appreciate your kindness and the work that you do across Wikipedia. So I'm going to thank you by leaving it here. Please keep up with your amazing work. :) Ashleyyoursmile! 04:27, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

J-Hope

That's what I thought too, but firstly, pretty much every article i've come across uses 'the', and secondly, you wouldn't say 'I formed boy band BTS', you'd say 'I formed the boy band BTS', so I think 'the' should be there. --SacredDragonX (talk) 16:26, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@SacredDragonX: idk if it's an American Eng thing vs a British Eng thing or something else, but I've seen sentences like the one in question written both ways and they're also grammatically correct that's why I said it didn't need to be changed. "Naya Rivera was a cast member of American TV show Glee", "Justin Timberlake made his debut as a member of American boy band Nsync", or "He is known for being the founder of (or a founder of or one of the founders of) American tech powerhouse Apple Inc." - those sentences aren't incorrect and we've heard them on tv and see them written in articles countless times. Check the lead for Chad Kroeger, his is the quickest that came to my mind because I read it recently and knew I'd seen the particular wording used here before (though I'm not saying his article is the standard for anything). You are correct that a lot of WP articles use it (I checked after you mentioned it) so I guess change it back if you want, though I still think the sentence works fine as is. And your 'I formed...' eg wouldn't be applicable as the phrasing of the sentence and what it implies is completely diff to the j-hope one. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:41, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Hello, thanks for the reply. I disagree that my example wouldn't be applicable here, and I think that even in your examples it would be better to use 'the', because you wouldn't say 'I am the founder of company Apple'. You would say 'I am the founder of the company Apple', right? --SacredDragonX (talk) 19:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@SacredDragonX: The reason I said your eg wouldn't apply is because jhope's sentence isn't about him founding or forming the group, nor it is him writing the sentence about himself, so you can't read/write it the same way one would read or write a first person sentence ie. the 'I formed' that you're going with, when the sentence is written in third person. It's describing him from a third person perspective as being a member of a group ('South Korean boy band' simply specifies the type of group), just like how I wrote the Naya Rivera sentence (you left out the descriptive 'American tech...' part in your reply using the Apple example). I'm sorry I can't explain this more clearly with proper linguistic terms and such. Even though I have an Eng degree my memory is really bad so my brain will tell me x is wrong or y is right but it won't recall the specific rule that justifies that. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 22:16, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 10

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Don't update Incorrect peaks

I noted you usually updated Dynamite (BTS song) Billboard Pop Songs chart peak to 13, I don't know what are you do?? Before peak reach here, I remind you again, don't update Incorrect peaks, or I will regarded as a Vandalism edit, and report you to administrator, attention! Tim96144 (talk) 12:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Tim96144: my edit history shows no vandal-like activity in all of my time here on Wikipedia so kindly don't throw that term around unless you have actual concrete proof an editor is in fact vandalizing a page. And fyi, the only reason I undid your edit is because I thought the #13 peak was correct. I wasn't even the one who added that position to the table in the first place, but when you changed it to 14 I thought it was a mistake because 13>14 so I undid it. You'd look foolish reporting me because I would've explained this to anyone who asked and they'd also tell you it doesn't constitute vandalism. You'd waste an administrator's time for nothing. Next time ask first. Jesus. It's not that hard. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:19, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Billboard charts history showed peak is 14 ,you must update to 14 , rather than 13, why does you think that is correct? Please obey the rules. Tim96144 (talk) 22:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Tim96144: Did you even read what I replied to you above? I already explained myself, very clearly. I didn't put the 13 in the table. Its been there a while and no one changed it so I thought it was correct i.e. I thought that's what the chart source said, which is why when you changed it I undid your edit. I never said I think putting a wrong chart position is correct and I didn't purposely do it to vandalize anything. If you don't/can't understand English properly please use a translator or ask someone who speaks your language to assist you because this is starting to annoy me. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 22:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

https://www.billboard.com/music/BTS/chart-history/TFM Does it peak 13 on "Dynamite"?? Unless it reached that, or don't updated Are your's updated times were more times than me at Billboard charts?? If you don't understand, don't be know-it-all Tim96144 (talk) 23:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Tim96144: kindly stay off of my talk page. I've explained myself twice and you're still going on about this. Please leave me alone now. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 23:13, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

V BTS and Jungkook

re: - onehallyu.com KOMCA Masterlist 2020 V has been credited with the copyright of 12 songs as Co Composer Co Writer. Jungkook has 10 songs. Magic Shop was Co Composed and written by JH, JK, RM and Suga Love is not Over was Co Composed and Co Written by Jin and JK. Singularity won Best Choreography in 2019 at the 14th Soompi Awards. After that V was officially acknowledged by Son Seung Duk as part of the Dance line. There are two YT clips. "BTS V Officially part of the DANCE line" and "Guide to BTS new danceline" As per Starmometer V has won Asian Heartthrob 3 years in a row and has been entered into their Hall of Fame. Starmometer has a website. As the Visual of BTS he has won many Handsome Man in the World Titles. Sweet Night was Co Composed and Co written by V as per KOMCA and has broken Adele's record as per genius.com/V-bts. After lyrics scroll down to "How was song recv'd. What records did it set" Click. and tada......#1. ITunes Songs Chart in #117 Countries. V has set records on every platform the evidence is easily attainable. I have donated to Wikipedia on the premise they have accurate and up to date information. TV Korean Entertainment Kpop channel on YT has a ton of information with reliable sources for BTS members. V has records on all platforms from China's Super Topic, Baidu, Weibo, TicToc, Twitter, Instagram, YT, Twipple, SoundCloud, Spotify and ITunes. He's the Stan attractor, Out of Stock, Idol of Idols for a reason. He deserves to be acknowledged fairly, they all do. 122.57.70.169 (talk) 17:05, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Onehallyu is an unreliable source as per WP:KO/RS. His writing credits are already listed in his article under the Discography section. Same for Jungkook. The best choreo award for Singularity was awarded to V and it is on his article under the accolades section. Being called something by one's choreographer and fanmade compilation videos are not encyclopedic content. That would fall under WP:FANCRUFT. Same for the Starmometer poll wins. Having a website doesn't make something notable/reliable either. Fan voted polls about his handsomeness are more fancruft. Genius is not a reliable source as per WP:RSP. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's guidelines on notability for further clarification. If you still have an actual valid request after you've read the pages I've linked then you can leave me another msg. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:12, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

M Countdown charts

Hi there! I saw your edit summary and I will be changing the sources within 24 hours. Thank you for letting me know. :) EN-Jungwon (talk) 17:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: thank you for the msg. Also, just so you know, there's no time limit on how quickly you need to change the sources, just so long as you do change them. You don't have to get it all done within 24 hours so don't worry about that. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I have removed all sources from Soompi and added sources from other articles in the 2019 chart. I would really appreciate if you could review it. EN-Jungwon (talk) 11:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: I just woke up so give me few to org myself and then I'll review for you in a bit ok? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:09, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Take your time. I'll be back in 8 hours. It's time for me to sleep. EN-Jungwon (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: I made some changes to the page and left notes for you in the edit summaries. I know the page isn't complete yet so I'll check in on it from time to time to see how you are coming along and if anything needs fixing. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:47, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help 😊. Happy editing EN-Jungwon (talk) 06:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Question: Can YouTube videos which announces the winners from the official channel be used as a source. EN-Jungwon (talk) 17:03, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: yes, IF the video is an OFFICIAL upload by the music show channel. You'd use the AV media template to cite it. You having trouble locating article sources? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I am having some trouble with locating sources. I guess I'll leave it for another editor to add. And I have also added sources to the 2020 article EN-Jungwon (talk) 01:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: I'll show you how to search for sources. Here is the Naver news search section where you should enter the hangul name of the kpop artist (I have the hangul for BTS entered as an example) you want to find sources for. The hangul can be found on the artist's main wikipedia article. Copy and paste it into the search bar at the top of the page along with the hangul of the music show title (I have a music festival title for my search). You'll see options to select a date period that you want to find articles from. After you enter the period you want, click or tap apply and the search will pull up all articles about the artist within that period. I usually sort it to display oldest articles first so I can see the first news piece that was written. If it's not from a source I consider to be reliable, or as reliable as others, then I scroll through until I find one I prefer to use. I'd recommend searching with Chrome browser as it will translate the korean pages for you and make searching much easier. Msg me again if you run into any issues while trying to search. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

It works. I use to search for sources on Google. Thank you so much for taking your time to help me out. 😊 EN-Jungwon (talk) 04:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: no problem at all :) When it comes to korean music show related news, Naver is always the best bet. Google is good for everything else. Feel free to hit me up with any more questions. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:40, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey Carlobunnie, it's been a long time since we crossed paths. Just wanted to drop by and thank you for teaching me how to find sources. I don't know where i would be without knowing how to do that. Sorry for writing this in the middle of the section EN-Jungwon 16:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I have sourced the 2020 page. EN-Jungwon (talk) 09:51, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: I left you some more notes in my edit summaries on the 2019 article today. I think you should read them before you continue adding any more refs to that table. I'll check out 2020 in a bit. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Should we add links to the YouTube video of the winners announcement? It would be easier to see the score EN-Jungwon (talk) 17:40, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: lol I actually just said in the edit summary of my most recent edit on the 2019 list that I'll probably start citing the broadcasts for the score mentions. Just remember, if you're linking to an actual video it must always be an official upload. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I should read your edit summaries more carefully. So I will start with the 2019 article first. EN-Jungwon (talk) 01:19, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: remember to use the cite AV media template when referencing online videos or the actual broadcast ok? And if you have some time, check out the drafts I made for the other years and lmk what you think. I'm currently flitting between 2015+2016. I'll add a few sources to both, move them to main space and then anyone will be free to fill in the remaining references. It'll take too long if I wait to source both tables completely and then publish them as articles so I'm gonna do it the way I said instead. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry I'll help you out. We are doing this together 😊 EN-Jungwon (talk) 02:03, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I am having some trouble with AV media template. Could you insert an example into the 2019 article January 10. Here is a link from Mnet's official YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtD0GUPSXvQ EN-Jungwon (talk) 02:31, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: np, just added it to the table. I had to play the video at the slowest speed to catch the showing of the score before the win flashed over it on the screen, so you might have to do the same to double check the numbers match (tho they obv do). Carlobunnie (talk) 02:46, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Shouldn't we name the articles like this "List of M Countdown Chart winners (2016)" since other music show articles are also named like that List of Inkigayo Chart winners (2020) EN-Jungwon (talk) 06:04, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: I actually had a reason why I named the drafts the way I did and I was gonna talk to you about that after I'd woken up. I didn't realize you named yours based on pre-existing articles. I can adjust the titles if you prefer but I don't agree with the wording. The chart doesn't award the songs that top it, the show awards the songs that top the chart, so to me it made less sense to put "Chart winners" in the title when I could just name it MCD Winners, although, the terms chart win/show win are pretty synonymous with each other in the context of the show. Idk if I'm explaining properly what I mean or if my brain is making this more complicated than it actually is. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 09:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I have to say that I didn't understand most of what you just said but since you are more experienced I will let you decide. Or we could ask other editors. Judging by your contributions, it looks like you slept for 4 and half hours which sound to me like it's not enough. EN-Jungwon (talk) 10:20, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

So have you decided yet? I think we should change it to keep the consistency with other music shows EN-Jungwon (talk) 17:08, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: woke up like 10 mins ago. And yes, I'll change the titles but I do think the wording of the lead's first pgraph will need to be adjusted for all the lists though. I'll show you what I mean when I figure out how it should be adjusted. Gimme a few mins and I'll move them one by one. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The 2015 article is now sourced. EN-Jungwon (talk) 17:08, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: good job with it. I'll get back to reviewing after I adjust the list names. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

It's me again. Just a message to let you know that the 2016 article is now sourced. Thanks... EN-Jungwon (talk) 15:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: just made one change to the 2016 page re: the archive url you used. I didn't think to explain this when I did the first cite AV media example for you but now I see that I should have. When you archive using that site, I see you use the 'short link', eg. http://archive.today/3ZOv0. But what you actually should be using is the 'long link' i.e. http://archive.today/2020.11.12-055805/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndDreQjm00A (which is the change I made just now). 2 important things to note when using the long url: the "http" part at the beginning must always be changed to "https" and the dots and dashes in this part "2020.11.12-055805" should be removed. So the archive-url entry should look like this instead -> http(s)://archive.today/(20201112055805)/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndDreQjm00A (the parts I changed are in brackets). Now there is a bot that will eventually pass through at some point and change it even if you don't, but I've found that it's good practice to enter everything properly from the get go if you can. As helpful as bots are, sometimes they break things and we don't realize because we take for granted that whatever fixes they make work just fine. I know I haven't been on the pages in a while but I promise you I haven't forgotten them. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The archive links for the YouTube videos doesn't seem to work. The videos aren't playing at all. EN-Jungwon (talk) 08:11, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: don't worry about it, they're not supposed to work unless you go through all the complicated steps to reupload the entire video on wayback. Archives for music videos are just proof of the link that we're referencing. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I am having a lot of trouble adding the episode numbers to the articles. Should we just leave it like how it was in the article. EN-Jungwon (talk) 01:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: if the older seasons of the show ran by date rather than episode like the more recent years then we can just exclude the episode # column altogether. Date column would be first instead. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Is it ok to use IMDb for the episode numbers? EN-Jungwon (talk) 03:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: I honestly don't know. You'd have to ask another editor about that. Maybe the one who did the inkigayo articles that you showed me? I don't remember the username right now but maybe they'd be able to advise you. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be any sources for older episodes on Naver. What should we do about that. EN-Jungwon^Talk 10:27, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: we can cite the episode broadcast itself as a reference but idk if it's okay to have an entire article sourced that way. Maybe you can ask on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea talk page? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Blackpink MAMA 2020

Blackpink ai mama 2020 were also nominated for song of the year with HYLT, artist of the year and Worldwide Fan's choice: https://www.bandwagon.asia/articles/bts-iu-hyukoh-blackpink-twice-nct-exo-seventeen-nominations-list-nominated-for-2020-mnet-asian-music-awards-kpop-2020-mama Blink03 (talk) 21:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Blink03: yep I know. I only did a cleanup of what another editor added earlier when noms came out. I'm currently working on something else atm so I'll do it when I'm done. Thanks for the note. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 22:03, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Casetify Edits

Why are you removing factual information from the casetify page? I saw you made the page bare bones and asked for expansion. Can you add any edits to the expansion, instead of reverting it to a stub article?Degrassifangurl (talk) 17:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Degrassifangurl: I think you have me confused with someone else. Please check the casetify page edit history. I only did a minor cleanup on the article, i.e a tag removal+one word change, and haven't touched that page since. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:50, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry if I came off accusatory. I am trying to add info into the article from where you left it, so it's not so bare bones. But it keeps getting reverted. Do you mind helping?Degrassifangurl (talk) 18:29, 3 November 2020 (UTC) Degrassifangurl (talk) 18:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Degrassifangurl: your best course of action here would be to talk to the user who has been reverting you. I don't think you fully understand why the information you want to restore isn't being allowed. Reach out to them and find out what information would be allowed on the page to help expand it and maybe explain that you don't have a paid connection to the article because that's part of the reason why your changes are being removed. I unfortunately can't really help with this. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:32, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Help me!

If a wikiproject's page is not very active, where else is a suitable place to ask for assistance with a related project article? I have recently made significant improvements to List of awards and nominations received by Dev Patel but the project's talk page does not show much activity as regards responses to queries posted therein. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 23:19, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Sort of depends on what help you are looking for. If you are looking for general advice and WikiProject Awards and WikiProject Lists are not active, you can try a logically-related wikiproject. The WikiProject Film or the Indian cinema task force or the Film awards task force or another may be able to help. You can use the WikiProject Directory to find more. If it is something specific such as sourcing of point-of-view issues, you can use the appropriate wp:Noticeboards (e.g., WP:RSN or WP:NPOVN, respectively). Then there are general help boards at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests and Wikipedia:Help desk. Finally, the article talk page itself is always a preferable place to work with other editors interested in the topic. So, a lot of options are available. I suggest waiting a decent length of time for an answer from one place before asking at another to lessen WP:FORUMSHOPPING concerns, though. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Best Group Video VMA

I don't know if there are any articles that explicitly mention the Best Group award (or Best New Artist, for that matter) as rewarding the act's full body of work for the year. If I remember correctly, I inferred this from the fact that in their official nominations announcement from 2007, MTV listed multiple videos for certain nominees in these categories (e.g., Gym Class Heroes, Fall Out Boy, Amy Winehouse). This information was repeated in other sources, like this Stereogum article. Still, I don't believe they confirmed this for any awards except Male and Female Artist. --Andresg770 (talk) 07:20, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Andresg770: yeah I came across those too. MTV just called it a new category but didn't go into specifics unlike for the other revamped categories. I also found this Slant article that mentioned the unsurety of what the category is actually for. I've been contemplating nominating the page for WP:FLC but inferences like this, that aren't explicitly stated anywhere and therefore can't exactly be sourced, would probably hinder it from passing, and reviewers can be pretty brutal depending on who you get, so I guess I'll just leave it as is. Shame though, would've been great to finally have one of these MTV articles as a FL. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 22:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Advice

Hey. It’s Doggy54321. Re this edit, I’d like to offer you some advice. Please use the {{in use}} template when doing that type of editing. You can modify the template to a section, add descriptions and more. The template is better than {{under construction}} because the latter doesn’t say "hey I’m editing this article so don’t edit for a while", it just says "this article is being expanded, please help if you want". If I was there in the middle of your edit, I would have gone ahead and edited the page as normal, since there was nothing telling me not to. I also don’t check edit summaries unless I’m making non-minor edits, so if I was changing something related to MOS:CAPS or MOS:whatever, I wouldn’t know you were editing majorly. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 03:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Doggy54321: I've had multiple experiences of ppl flat out ignoring the IU tag in the past and making whatever edits they wanted while I was actively editing a page hence why I didn't use it for something as major as the table conversion I was about to do. The UC tag better alerts people when major editing that would take some time is ongoing (in my defence, I thought the convert would take much longer to do otherwise I would have used the IU tag). I'll offer a little piece of advice in return: if UC/IC tags are on a page, it's always a good idea to check the edit history first and see how long ago the most recent change was made before doing anything major or minor, like your caps example above. Editors are encouraged to both use+read edit summaries for a reason so you should probably get in the habit of doing that, as many editors often leave notes or warnings for others in them. Selectively reading edit summaries as you mentioned you do does more harm than good. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 03:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Same, it’s so annoying! Thanks for the tips, I’ll try to use them more often. Have a great day/night/wherever you live! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 12:13, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

O!RUL8,2?

Sorry for reverting you, I didn't meant to. I changed the tracklist to a previous version and your correction got reverted automatically. - Ïvana (talk) 02:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ïvana: idek you did because I was busy with the txt discog. Hope you got things sorted out though. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 03:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

APAN Music Awards

Good afternoon, APANs should be added to the BTS and Blackpink awards. You think about it? Anyway, last time I didn't add the rewards to the table because it turned off, and then I forgot about it.Blink03 (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

@Blink03: I was waiting to see if an article would be created for the awards first. Because I didn't want to do another footnote for the tables and I wasn't sure if it was related to the APAN Star awards either. But it turns out it's the music version of the awards so they can be included. If no one creates an article for the show I'll do it and then add them. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 21:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I corrected the total number of MAMA nominations. I think it's fine. As for the number of nomiation and wins, are they all correct?--Blink03 (talk) 19:06, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Blink03: I think it should be correct but I'm on my way out now so I'll double check it when I come back later ok? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:08, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Of course.--Blink03 (talk) 19:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Blink03: well I'm sure you already saw the edits but the MAMA total is good now. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Blackpink at APAN won Best Girl Group - Global: https://www.bandwagon.asia/articles/blackpink-bts-iu-kang-daniel-and-more-win-at-the-2020-apan-awards-see-the-list-of-popularity-award-winners --Blink03 (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

@Blink03: Flabshoe1 already added it to the table earlier today. You must have missed it. Edit: nvm. I realised it's another award you were asking about. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 21:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

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Artistry and public image

Hi, Suga was promoted to full KOMCA membership a lot earlier In January 2018 [1], so I think the way you changed the sentence is not correct because it suggest that all three were promoted In January 2020. In January 2020 only RM and j-hope were promoted. GG HSk (talk) 01:45, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

@GG HSk: I simply adjusted the grammar based on the construction of the existing sentence, which was written by someone else. Even before I adjusted it, the wording meant the same thing then that you're pointing out now. I just adjusted it again so it only mentions j-hope now. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:55, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

QQ Music Boom Boom Awards

This is a big award ceremony in China with the attendance of Lay Zhang and many other artists. Blackpink even sent a thank-you video to the ceremony, indicating that they recognized the ceremony. It is organized by QQ Music. I don't see why it is not official. The article I linked is written by an major media outlet and other major media outlets also mentioned it, showing that they recognized the award. Sports Donga, Sport Chosun, etc. are not unreliable. I will change it back again if you do not response in a day. Jihkilan (talk) 05:42, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jihkilan: I never said it wasn't "official". I said it isn't notable. There's a difference. These awards have not received significant coverage of any kind from reliable secondary sources for any years prior to Blackpink's winning to make it notable enough for inclusion in the table. By your reasoning, every award win mentioned by korean news media should be included and that's not how wikipedia works. Take a look at the article's talk page and you will see the same standard was applied to other questionable awards that were previously added. Please read up on Wikipedia's notability guidelines to better understand what I'm referring to. If you have further questions I will try my best to answer. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 06:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

It IS notable. Just because there are no sources in English or Korean writing about does NOT mean it's not notable nor official. If you at least tried to search up sources in Chinese, you would see tons of sources about the awards ceremony. If it's not notable enough, Blackpink or Lay Zhang would NOT even bother to attend or record a thank-you video. This is not some random awards like MusicDaily Awards in which there is no official organizer. This award ceromony was organized by QQ Music, which also hosted the QQ Music Awards. Big Bang won some QQ Music Awards, including the Most Popular Overseas Group. Here are some sources from about the Boom Boom Awards from Baidu, which is a platform similar to Naver: https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1685376664163600136; http://www.xinhuanet.com/tech/2020-12/08/c_1126835728.htm. If you want an actual Chinese source with Blackpink mentioned on it, here is one from Xinmin Evening News: https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1685490396216270435. I appreciate that you're trying to keep the article as accurate as possible, but reverting edits without fact-checking is annoying and I'm not sure anyone would appreciate that. Please remember that you do not own the article. Editing is fair game, and some discussions would be appreciated before reverting without fact-checking. -- Jihkilan (talk) 09:18, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jihkilan: a celebrity choosing to attend or accept an award from a particular ceremony (or recording a thank you video for it) does not make it notable by WP standards. Naver HOSTS articles written by others (it is not a source itself) and editors have to decide which of those articles are reliable to use. Baidu is a search engine like Google or a portal like Naver (if you want to make the comparison). It shows a variety of articles from both reliable and unreliable sources. Baijiahao is a blog-type site that has been criticised for among other things promoting false/fake news across a variety of topics (both major and minor) so it would be better to link to the orig source rather than the BJH link. Xinhua is considered marginally acceptable per WP:RSP depending on context and can be used for non-political topics (based on rfc's on WP that I've seen) but that's just ONE source for the award ceremony THIS YEAR. I cannot speak on the reliability of the Xinmin Evening News as its article is a stub and I can't find any discussions on its usage or non-usage but the info appears similar to the Xinhua source.

Also, I'm not acting like I own the page? Many other editors contribute to it and I don't stop them, they even pick up on mistakes I make from time to time when editing. And idk who told you that, but editing isn't fair game. There are rules and guidelines to follow. Not every news source is an acceptable one. Not every award show is a notable one. Otherwise all award pages on WP would be a hell of a lot longer than they currently are. Some are just better maintained than others, which is what I'm trying to do with the Blackpink page (started by another editor before me and I just picked up where they left off). That's all. An award doesn't have to be covered by English or Korean sources to make it notable (I neither implied nor outrightly said so either) but if you want to add it you have to be able to solidly prove its notability by providing multiple reliable sources (regardless of the language they're in), especially when there isn't a pre-existing article for the award show in question. You've only shown me 2 that could possibly work for this year alone. What about the previous years? Would you be able to build an an entire article for the award show from its inception and support it with acceptable, reliable secondary sources as per WP:RS and WP:RSN? The QQ Awards is a poor example to use as it it only contains 2 sources, one of which is primary. And by all accounts that article should probably be deleted. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: That is not true. There are a lot of sources that covered the award ceremony if you at least tried to search it up. Of course I only put only 2 sources because that would be too long. However, because it seems like you refused to search it up on your own, here is the search term that you can use to search on Google if you could not find any: QQ音乐重磅打造的. Here are some sources other than Xinmin Evening News: https://m.dbw.cn/yule/system/2020/12/02/058551267.shtml, https://www.sohu.com/a/436769134_325029, https://society.yunnan.cn/system/2020/12/07/031164402.shtml, http://ent.ynet.com/2020/12/02/3021102t1254.html, http://ex.chinadaily.com.cn/exchange/partners/82/rss/channel/cn/columns/snl9a7/stories/WS5fcdc3d0a3101e7ce9733b65.html. There are a lot of more sources if you use the search term above. Those links above should check all the notability guidelines, which includes significant coverage, reliability, and from secondary sources.

Think for it for a second, an award ceremony does not magically get millions of viewers or the attendance of famous stars without significant coverage or some credibility. Again, it was organized by QQ Music, which is the platform most Chinese use to listen to music. Therefore, it is credible and should be recognized as an official award ceremony. --Jihkilan (talk) 21:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Hello? Would appreciate a response because I explained it very clearly with sources backing it up. I will just assume that you agree if you don't reply in a couple of days. Thanks. Jihkilan (talk) 07:25, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I didn't realize I needed to give another reply. I already told you what I think. Not every secondary news source is considered reliable. A show can receive significant coverage but if those sources covering it aren't considered reliable themselves then it's a moot point, which is what I've been telling you. And I know a lot of chinese sources don't usually make the cut. I asked someone to look into the chinese sources but they haven't gotten back to me as yet. Even if you decide to go ahead and restore it in the article, I hope you won't get mad again when someone else comes along in future and removes it. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 08:15, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: ... and I provided you sources as you requested. If Xinmin Evening News and China Daily is not enough then I don't know what to tell you. These are national newspapers that are read by many. Again, this was organized by QQ Music, which is owned by Tencent (that also has its own award show, Tencent Music Entertainment Awards). Anyways, I'll take your answer as a yes. I'll go ahead and add it in a few days. Jihkilan (talk) 09:21, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

RE: Source check

It might be a little too implied imo; on the other hand I found an article by La República listing the popularity award nominees alongside rookies, songs and albums bonsangs that maybe it could serve as replacement for the popularity award. The same website published the list of nominees to the Soeul Music Awards as well. --Chiya^ko92 14:23, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I thought. The La Republica source looks good. I think it'll work well! -- Carlobunnie (talk) 14:32, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

IP user -> 115.164.44.14

Hi, just to let you know, this IP, 115.164.44.14, is pretending to be you. User:CarIobunnie is the account they created. --Lydïa (☎️ ◦ ✍) 16:53, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Cralobunnie and Carlobunie also made similar edits as 115.164.44.14 and they also have similar names as yours. EN-Jungwon 16:58, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

All the accounts have been indef blocked. EN-Jungwon 17:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@Lydïa and EN-Jungwon: thank you both for informing me. I saw the weird acs but didn't think too much of it because their edits were reverted every single time. Hopefully this is the last we see of them. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 23:26, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Jay Park's awards and nominations section

Hi there, I hope you're doing well in the lead up to Christmas. I seem to remember you having a fair bit of involvement in Blackpink's awards and nominations, so I was wondering if you would mind taking a moment to look at my sandbox? I've been working on converting multiple tables to single tables for a few artists with Jay Park being the most recent. I haven't altered any information or sources, only the table conversions. As you will see, there's still two left that I haven't merged into the single table - this is where I'm asking for your help. Do you have any ideas how to incorporate these nominations? I'm not sure if those are actually the names of the ceremony but it seems a little off to me? Sorry if it wasn't you who worked on other awards and nominations sections, you were the first editor I thought of to ask about this. TIA, Alex (talk) 20:57, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Feel free to edit anything you see that I've done wrong or could be improved - tables aren't my forte so I do most of it with the visual editor as I'm still not too familiar with how the styling aspects of it work. Alex (talk) 21:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Alexanderlee: these kinds of nominations would be better suited in the prose of his main article in the section of his career/history that 2010 falls under rather than on his awards page, atleast the most searched one anyways; the best social network personality nom doesn't initially strike me as particularly notable (it's not mentioned in the source either). I'd say the most searched win is kind of similar to BTS being the most searched artists on YouTube for a particular year. Even if he actually received a little trophy for it, that type of stuff is not usually something to go on an awards page as he only topped a streaming site ranking (Naver Music); it doesn't appear to be for an actual music ceremony or anything. I can't review the table in detail right now but so far it looks good formatting wise. I should be able to take a better look a few hours from now. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 21:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

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Blackpink nom

Hello, happy holidays. I'd like to ask you a favor. Could you correct the Blackpink wins and nominations? Because in the Italian voice they report different numbers and honestly I don't understand anything. Thanks in advance.Blink03 (talk) 23:44, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Blink03: I stopped editing that page a little while ago and will no longer be making any updates to it so I'm sorry but I can't help. I will tell you this: the Wowie award you want to add isn't notable because it doesn't receive any coverage from reliable secondary sources so it shouldn't be in the Italian article. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:36, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Why won't you edit on the voice anymore? You were also very helpful because I was able to modify the voice in Italian much more easily. I am very sorry :( Blink03 (talk) 00:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

@Blink03: it got very stressful after a while and I don't have the energy to "argue" with anyone so I just stopped. I checked over the page for you and updated the totals so you can update the Italian page accordingly. If any award is listed in a different order across there, you can change it to match the order here because another editor corrected the TFMA entry that had been incorrectly moved to lower down the table and restored it to its correct position in the table so everything is alphabetical again. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:42, 29 December 2020 (UTC)