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Welcome!

Hello, Caorongjin, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Liferay copyright violation

Hello. Concerning your contribution, Liferay, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to be a direct copy from http://www.liferay.com/web/guest/about. As a copyright violation, Liferay appears to qualify for speedy deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. Liferay has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. If the source is a credible one, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source.

If you believe that the article is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GFDL, you can comment to that effect on Talk:Liferay. If the article has already been deleted, but you have a proper release, you can reenter the content at Liferay, after describing the release on the talk page. However, you may want to consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. —C.Fred (talk) 07:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Response to violations

Hello. I started the entry on Liferay without any intentions of anything illegal or anything of that nature. C.Fred warned me of a violation and to change the content as it was considered a copyright infringement. Though I did not think so (the company is an MIT license open source firm), I am not as strong as others on copyright laws and obliged such a comment. Hence, I went in and rewrote the vast majority of the article. It was deleted within a few minutes of that. So, I thought I would resubmit my rewrite. But that was flagged and deleted as being a "blatant advertisement." I determined by that time that I did not know how to write something that was suitable for Wikipedia on Liferay and hence stopped. I then cleared the content of my talk page because I thought everything was done with. Evidently, I still am displeasing the community. In reality, I am very frustrated now and do not want to contribute anymore to Wikipedia (beyond the little that I have already). Perhaps it is better for this account to simply be closed. Please advise.Caorongjin 03:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Greetings! Since you are new to Wikipedia, let me fill you in on how I came into the story.

First, I saw the posting on Liferay and, in comparing it against the sources, noted that it was a word-for-word copy, in large part, of the cited source. Based on that, I recommended the article for speedy deletion as a copyright violation. After it was reposted, I did a little research and noted that the article had been created last year and was deleted after discussion about the merit of the article. Since I did not see anything that appeared new in the article, I recommended the article be speedily deleted as a repost of a previously-deleted-by-process article. Another editor had recommended the deletion for blatant advertising, and when an administrator performed the deletion, that was the criterion they used to justify the deletion.

As far as the article itself goes, one of the tests a subject should pass to have an article is to be notable and covered in independent reliable sources. As an example, Microsoft Vista is a valid subject because of the amount of independent press coverage. That would be one starting point with an article for Liferay, to go with what has been written about by people outside of its development project and go from there--or use their stories to support the assertions made in the article.

As far as your talk page, the warnings placed on it serve somewhat as a track record; this can also be a record of conversation. By way of hypothetical example, if the Liferay webpage were covered under an open source license equivalent to GFDL, the copyright issue could be circumvented. The first appropriate place to put that would be the article's talk page; the second place would be mine (as a "response" to my comment on your talk page); and the third would be your own talk page, to have a history of the event there. Because of this track record, when some editors abuse the system, a history of the escalating warnings exists there. That's why it's considered bad form to remove warnings from one's own talk page. When you blanked your talk page the first time, I reverted it with an edit summary that it's not good etiquette to remove warnings from a talk page. When you blanked the page again, and the edit summary just said "blanked the page," that's when I restored it and added the {{removewarn}} warning message.

(In light of your subsequent comments, I determined that the blanking was good faith and non-abusive, and I removed that warning that I placed myself. For anybody who had seen the earlier warning, I left a comment to effectively say "Yes, there was a warning here, but the editor that placed it took it down.")

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded answer, but that's how I saw it play out. In summary, I'm sorry that your first attempt at an article was so frustrating. However, if you know where it's gotten some independent coverage (newspapers, ZDnet or similar tech websites, etc.), please respond on my talk page, and we can see about putting together something that meets the guidelines for articles. —C.Fred (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Liferay

Again, as I explained, the first time the article was deleted, it was because the text of the article was lifted verbatim from the product's page elsewhere (copyvio). The second time, it was because it was a subject that had previously been considered and deleted, and recreating an article with no apparent change from its previous condition. Now, if this were the article's first go-round, it might have been tagged with {{unreferenced}}, although it could still have been subject to speedy deletion per WP:WEB.

As far as the sources, the first three are exactly what's good to support articles with: major-press coverage of a non-trivial nature: i.e. a full product review. By and large, blogs are not reliable sources, though the Infoworld one might, on casual consideration, have the best shot. Certainly there's enough to start a new draft of the article, probably at a user subpage (e.g. User:Caorongjin/Liferay); get it cleaned up and in good shape; and then present it to deletion review to get the article recreated. —C.Fred (talk) 05:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I've made a few edits to the article to show you where I see it needs to go. I'll be able to look at it some more this evening (US Eastern time). As far as the citations, if you expand anything and directly cite a source, note which one, and I will write the syntax for the citation. (What will happen is a footnote will appear in the text, and a numbered item will show up in the references list.) —C.Fred (talk) 14:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I've started discussion on the new candidate article at Talk:Liferay. We'll see if responses come in and how it progresses from there. —C.Fred (talk) 04:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Liferay.gif)

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Image:Liferay.png

Hello, Caorongjin. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under fair use that was in your userspace. The image (Image:Liferay.png) was found at the following location: User:Caorongjin/Liferay. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 05:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

August 2007

Please stop. If you continue to ignore our policies by introducing inappropriate pages, such as Liferay, Inc., to Wikipedia, you will be blocked. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 21:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I used an inapproriate warning it, too severe. Sorry! I misread the discussions. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 21:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

That would be ideal, yes. Then it becomes obvious it's not just another average company. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 22:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

No, I meant my warning above was. One of the standard inappropriate pages warnings. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 22:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Usually, but it is also a good idea to include those sources as well, as long as its also backed up by secondary sources. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 22:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, my warning was invalid, I struck it. Also, I hope you dont mind, I added some information I found to the article. It hopefully helps! Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 22:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Bible translations into Chinese

Hi --

As you may (or may not) have noticed, I've started to build on the strong foundations in Bible translations into Chinese and hope to take a step forward. I notice that you made a number of good edits, and I wonder if you can supply some of the sources you used and perhaps make footnotes, which would be needed to make this a Good Article. Cheers and thank you for your work on the article, ch (talk) 03:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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