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Hello there. Do you guys have assistance? Need a course page? I'm a Wikipedia Ambassador for assignments. In fact I'm a Regional Ambassador for the South. Best! Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 19:18, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

April 2014

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Warning icon Hello Brooksky, and welcome to Wikipedia. Your addition to National Library of Pakistan has had to be removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here.

  • You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and a cited source. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. SMS Talk 10:01, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Response from Brooksky: This was not a copyright issue. It is easy to say this to discourage what you do not want posted. Very disingenuous. I did not add this. I salvaged and undid what you deleted from a different user. I do not know why you do not wish information about libraries in Pakistan to be included in Wikipedia.

Stop icon Your addition to National Library of Pakistan‎ has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text, or images borrowed from other websites, or printed material without a verifiable license; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. SMS Talk 23:54, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Smsarmad appears to be a vandal who has deleted important information at the National Library of Pakistan pretending that this is copyrighted which he/she seems to think will frighten editors from contributing. This bullying should not be tolerated on Wikipedia. I simply tried to add a piece of important documented information Smsarmad deleted. Why Smsarmad are you vandalizing?

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In Pakistan Legal deposit is a part of Copyright Law. Chapter X of the same law covers these five (5) sections under "DELIVERY OF BOOKS AND NEWSPAPERS TO PUBLIC LIBRARIES" heading. Under this law every publisher in Pakistan is bound to deliver one copy of his publications to National Library of Pakistan. [1] Alsoadded: The Library is administered by the Department of Libraries of the Directorate of Libraries and Archives in the Ministry of Education. The prime function of the National Library of Pakistan is to receive, preserve, and maintain the literary heritage of the country under copyright provisions. [2] These are not copyright violations.

Hi Brooksky. Copyright is a notoriously complicated topic, so I'm not surprised your having a few difficulties. The sources you're citing are great. However, we're very conservative when it comes to copyright law, so copying even small amounts of text is frowned upon. There's an easy solution though: rewrite the text in your own words. Take a look at WP:PARAPHRASE—there are several examples in that essay that will show you what we're looking for. If that's not making sense, drop by my talk page and I'll see if I can help. Thanks! Lesser Cartographies (talk) 13:50, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I added citations to the articles last night. I did not paraphrase.I do not think copyright is notoriously difficult. i think for some reason people like Smsarmad do not want information about the National Library of Pakistan on Wikipedia and will use threats of copyright assuming other editors are simple-minded; will call in friends to use feigned kindness or even sock puppetry to avoid any real citations to articles by scholars on this library. I am going to work on other national libraries as I have done for many years with great success. This library has watchers that want to limit knowledge. This is very sad. Here are the citations: Ahmad, Pervaiz. 2008. "The National Library of Pakistan: an overview." IFLA Journal 34, no. 1: 90-98. Muhammad Waris, B. (2014). National Library of Pakistan as Legal Depository. Pakistan Library & Information Science Journal. 45(1), 18-23.

This is not about your citations, this is about text that you are replacing that is a copyright violation. You must stop. Add text in your own words after reading the link about paraphrasing above, use the citations, they are not a problem. Dougweller (talk) 14:19, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There appear to be people watching this site that want no information about this library to be posted. The information about the library is not copyrighted. Smsarmad has removed articles, footnotes and citations. Edits I made last night were to footnoted items about the library. In all other places Wikipedia retains the edits in the history and mine are gone from the National Library of Pakistan's history page. WHY?. There is no reason that citations to important articles should be deleted by Smsarmad. Smsarmad is insisting this is a copyright issue. I am fearful for the future of Wikipedia if Smsarmad thinks footnotes are copyright violations. These are the footnotes that Smsarmad.removed: Ahmad, Pervaiz. 2008. "The National Library of Pakistan: an overview." IFLA Journal 34, no. 1: 90-98. Muhammad Waris, B. (2014). National Library of Pakistan as Legal Depository. Pakistan Library & Information Science Journal . 45(1), 18-23. Why would Smsarmad remove these?Brooksky (talk) 13:44, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


Well, the censors won. There is now no information or citations for the National Library Pakistan. Interesting that there are armies of people on Wikipedia who come in from all directions to do this this wonderful library...and then accuse me of being rude to them. They may think they are clever and ahve won the fight to suppress knowledge but knowledge has a way of breaking free. Pace to all librarians.librarians. Namaste.Brooksky (talk) 14:52, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The reason there's no information is that you're not willing to abide by our policies and paraphrase the sources you found. I'm happy to do the work for you if you like. Do you have a copy of the Pervaiz Ahmad paper you were citing? If not, I might be able to get one through the university here. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 15:09, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Lesser Cartographies Thanks for your efforts. Here is the link to that paper: Page 90. -- SMS Talk 15:21, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Smsarmad: Thanks! I think I can make a start on this now. If I have any questions I'll put them on the article talk page. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 15:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I work in a library and use the university portal to access the peer-reviewed articles that I cited but did not copy. I think it is not fair use for me to copy and post there, but only to direct to the citation, but really. I am giving up on this entry as I feel I cannot get The National Pakistan Library right. I am just making an effort to upgrade different countries and this one had very scant information. I see that it is not a site where much new is desired and I respect that. There are many other entries needing work. I used the database "Library Literature" to access articles. Thank you for trying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.9.115.134 (talk) 21:11, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Brooksky: while you were bemoaning the fact that we don't accept any new information, I found several more citations and the article is well on its way. You'll notice the material I've cited paraphrases the sources. The ideas presented in the sources do not fall under copyright, but the presentation of those ideas does; in this case, the words the author selected and how they were arranged into sentences. We make articles here by copying the ideas, not the presentation, and then citing the sources where the ideas came from. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 06:52, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Peace to Women Librarians in Pakistan

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Peace to all librarians; especially women librarians whose voices have been put away for our editing at the site for the National Library of Pakistan..The censors won.They do not want women editing. There is now no information or citations for the National Library Pakistan. There are men on Wikipedia who come in from all directions to do suppression of information about this wonderful library... They may think they are clever and have won the fight to suppress knowledge, but knowledge has a way of breaking free. Namaste. Brooksky (talk) 14:58, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Muhammad Waris, Bhatti. 2014. "National Library of Pakistan as Legal Depository." Pakistan Library & Information Science Journal 45, no. 1: 18-23.
  2. ^ Ahmad P. The National Library of Pakistan: an overview. IFLA Journal [serial online]. March 2008;34(1):90-98.
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