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Thank you!

Thank you! Your source review helped Capitol Loop pass its FAC. Imzadi 1979 → 00:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I left you a gift...

• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Paul Krichell/archive2 Ealdgyth - Talk 15:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Well, thanks, I'm really big on baseball. Brianboulton (talk) 18:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
    • You're welcome. I'll get the next baseball one though. Wouldn't want to let you hog all the fun. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
      • I've just pinched Trafford Park off you. Hee hee! Brianboulton (talk) 23:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Appreciate your comments at the Armero tragedy FAC; I think I've addressed them all. ceranthor 15:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Found two more, and fixed them... reference 39 seems to be acting up. Do you have any idea what could be causing that? ceranthor 16:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the problem with 39 is that, when I reviewed on 31 August, there was an error in the url. You had "sunzi1.lib.hku.hk/hkjo/view/18/1805272.pdf". If you try http://sunzi1.lib.hku.hk/hkjo/view/18/1805272.pdf, this should take you to the source you want. Brianboulton (talk) 17:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I fixed your other concern. ceranthor 12:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Things Aren't Simple Any More/archive1

Many thanks for your very useful comments at peer review. I hope that I have rectified your concerns. The JPS^{talk to me} 17:56, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I think the article looks better. Brianboulton (talk) 18:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Some images

Brian, I just took a look and they look fine. Jappalang (talk) 22:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Brianboulton (talk) 23:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Milhist A-Class and Peer reviews Jan-Jun 2010

		Military history reviewers' award
		By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your good work helping with the WikiProject's Peer and A-Class reviews for the period Jan-Jun 2010, I hereby award you this Military history WikiProject Reviewers' award. Ian Rose (talk) 02:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC) Keep track of upcoming reviews. Just copy and paste {{WPMILHIST Review alerts}} to your user space

Coins

Dear Brian I am edditing pages on coins and have added a small bit on sixpences and a hole secton called Solid silver Crowns on Crown (British coin) and am writing a whole new page on Five Pound/Crown Coin OwenHurcs

As it happens I deleted that section in the crown article. It is properly called "Sterling silver" and that's just to begin with. Try it again, and I'll give you advice.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I got....

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Akira Kurosawa/archive1 and Karan's latest, but I left you Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/His Band and the Street Choir/archive4, since you'd handled the last two candidacies. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

That's fine. I don't honestly mind what I do; I check the page regularly and tend to do what ever needs doing. You've earned the right to be a little more selective (though I'll fight you for the privilege of not doing the next wrestling article that come to FAC. Brianboulton (talk) 16:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Were there many while I was gone? I don't think we've had many lately. I think my least favorite ones lately are the city/state/country ones. They just are .. ugh. Long and tend to use a lot of dodgy web sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

No, our wrestling buddies are in a long hibernation (though one popped up at peer review recently) but I rememeber them with dread. My least-favourites of the current lot are probably video games. Utterly ghastly, but I do 'em (I hope Fuchs isn't stalking). Brianboulton (talk) 17:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the city/state/country articles are difficult, including e.g. political and economic aspects. The worst are countries, seas and other very large areas, as these often need to consider geology, e.g. the North Sea is one remnant of the Tethys Sea. --Philcha (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

What about all those bloody articles on medieval bishops? Malleus Fatuorum 17:48, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

(Shhhhh) Let's not talk about those boring old things... Ealdgyth - Talk 17:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

There's money in the Shield nickel article, at least virtually, so that might be worth someone doing ...--Wehwalt (talk) 23:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy Brianboulton's Day!

User:Brianboulton has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Brianboulton's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Brianboulton! Peace, Rlevse 00:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations on a well-deserved honor - awesome indeed. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The Author's Farce

As it appeared likely to me that as things were going this FAC was going to fail I pitched in and fixed those things I was complaining about, and I've now supported. I think I also got yours and Tony's objections, but if not just let me know and I'll try to deal with them as well. I think that NocturneNoire has developed nominator fatigue, perhaps understandably. Malleus Fatuorum 16:27, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've added my support, but having read the sour and disagreeable comments on the nominator's talkpage, I wish I hadn't bothered trying to rescue this article from its impending oblivion. Talk about graceless. I'll know better next time. Brianboulton (talk) 18:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm quite accustomed to that sort of thing; I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make better articles. I just think that he was deferring too much to what he thought Ottava would have wanted, and wasn't willing to make the necessary changes. It's a good sign anyway that Tony1 has only made a few comments on the prose and hasn't opposed, so it probably only needs another one or two supports and the job's done. Hopefully it'll get them, I think it deserves it. Malleus Fatuorum 18:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of how sour I am being, I would like to learn from this experience. I'll be the first to admit my inadequacies as a writer and one of my worst sticking points would be my use of tense. I'd understand perfectly well if you feel disinclined to answer, but how should one decide upon the tense? You say "the Daily Post of 2 May 1730 reported" and "Earl of Egmont, who reported" while "Hume, in 1988, comments" and "Writing in 1993, Martin and Ruthe Battestin maintain". How are you deciding which tense to use? ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ^♯♭ 18:37, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I use the so-called "literary present" tense for work that is still in circulation, e.g. the writings of modern critics, but not for 200-year-old press reports or an earl's long-forgotten memoirs. Occasionally it is a matter of judgement. I think I have applied this rule consistently, but if you are unhappy please make any changes you deem necessary. Brianboulton (talk) 18:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

No, absolutely not. I think you've done a brilliant job; my issue is that I need to learn how to emulate you in the future. It makes sense to me when I read it now, but I swear, the revision I almost submitted was nothing like what is currently live. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ^♯♭ 18:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Seems like we arm-wrestled it through, even though we weren't always pulling in the same direction. Well done to us. Malleus Fatuorum 22:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, not a bad 24 hours' work what with all else that's goin' on Brianboulton (talk) 22:18, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Fridtjof Nansen

Congratulations![1] A very fine work.

As for this (grumpy) comment, I do believe that you have, in the vernacular, been well and truly pwned.[2]

Regards, Kablammo (talk) 19:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Congrats on the well-deserved promotion of Fridtjof Nansen. I thought I might be the first to speak, but Kablammo is too fast for me. Finetooth (talk) 19:42, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

My congratulations too - do you still think you might write a separate article on the Greenland Crossing? The Nansen article seems to cover it pretty well, so not sure there is a need to, but I know it is something you thought about once. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to all three for your support. It is unlikely that I will develop a separate article for the Greenland crossing; I think the subject is adequately covered in the Nansen article, and most of my interest now lies with music, opera and occasional literary oddities. When/if I return to polar matters I will probably have a go at improving Frederick Cook, a sad and fascinating story. Brianboulton (talk) 20:23, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Congrats also! Well done.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Arrows

You can only see the heads and fletchings, they are visible at the lower left and lower right of the shield. I am all done, thanks for your comments. Trying to prove I can write short articles as well as long, I think this would be my shortest FA.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Paul E. Patton

Thanks for keeping this FAC alive. I was off-wiki for the long weekend, but have added responses now. Acdixon ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 14:25, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Review of Albany, New York

I believe I've responded to all your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Albany, New York/archive2. upstateNYer 22:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Gabriel Fauré

Va, Brian! Nel tuo cuor s'annida Gabriel. Or perhaps not, but I've put the old boy up for peer review if you can find the time and inclination to give him the once-over. Shall quite understand if you haven't. (Tangentially, I ran across a 1927 quote from Pietro Mascagni the other day to the effect that modern music is as dangerous as cocaine.) – Tim riley (talk) 16:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

• Well, Mascagni was a fascist and an idiot and I'm not sure I'm going to do him now. I will certainly look at Fauré, though. Meantime a cloud, at present no bigger than a man's hand, is visible on the horizon; it is Monteverdi's L'Orfeo, struggling in the WP birth-canal. One week, maybe two, and all will be revealed (you are welcome to follow progress on the article page or in my sandboxes if you feel particularly voyeuristic). Brianboulton (talk) 17:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Shall resist spying on the work in progress (the temptation to put in one's oar, you know), but at your service to run the librarianly eye over the completed draft, and for any rummaging in the archives. As you are evidently restricted by some WP decree to composers beginning with M, may I recommend Mompou? I've done MacKenzie, and hereby declare McCunn to be part of the Savoy Opera mafia's purview; a Wexfordite friend recommends Marschner; Meyerbeer is due for a re-evaluation. There are those who speak well of Méhul. As long as you don't embrace Massenet we shall remain ad idem. - Tim riley (talk) 22:55, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Just a reminder: I did Bedrich Smetana. Brianboulton (talk) 19:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Two bits of Monteverdiana from the less frequented corners of the archives are here and here if wanted. Tim riley (talk) 08:44, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Fantastic, especially the Hussey article on the 1925 performance; I've been looking for that. Many thanks indeed! Brianboulton (talk) 08:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Whither, you ask? Well GA for now (tomorrow, when I feel strong enough to face the queue) and then perhaps FA. - Tim riley (talk) 20:47, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Well I hope it does come to FAC. This, and others (whatever happened to Elgar?) are quality articles that deserve to be ranked with WP's best. Brianboulton (talk) 21:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Starting to get a little frustrated with Dr. Dan

See here.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:18, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

• Indeed (though I quite like the idea of being one of "a small circle of dilettantes.") Suggest we treat him with the derision he deserves, but do it kindly. Brianboulton (talk) 17:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Me too. I haven't been to the opera in almost two years, since the Washington Opera put on The Pearl Fishers. I am much more likely to be seen at rock shows. dilettante? For sure. Can I get fries with that?--Wehwalt (talk) 17:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

The Pearl Fishers! Now, there's a thought! ("Comme autrefois dans la nuit sombre..." – it melts the heart.) I might do that, instead of the benighted Mascagni (see thread above this one). Brianboulton (talk) 17:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It is an utterly beautiful work, I had listened to it many times but neither the Met nor the Washington Opera had put it on recently until 2 years ago.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I had an LP set years ago, Ileana Cotrubas. I wonder what became of it, or whether that recording has been reissued? User:Voceditenore will know; I'll ask her. Brianboulton (talk) 17:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

You are the recordings guy ... but going to the opera is for an evening, a recording is forever.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Mascagni was an ass, and would have been assigned to oblivion were it not for one work, which makes half of a great evening.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:54, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Photograph exhibition of Shackleton's 1914–16 voyage

Hey, Brian. I thought you might be interested in this (although you might already know of it). I read in BBC's The History magazine that Merseyside Maritime Museum, Liverpool, is holding an exhibition of James Francis Hurley's photographs (150 of them) of Shackleton's 1914–16 Antartic voyage until 3 January 2011. Jappalang (talk) 23:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

The Liverpool museum's website has some more information—http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/exhibitions/shackleton/frank-hurley.aspx. Jappalang (talk) 23:38, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I would like to have gone - I come from Liverpool, but I don't live anywhere near now. I saw the Hurley photgraphs in London some years ago, and of course they have been published, though that's not the same. Brianboulton (talk) 00:18, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

We Scousers get everywhere. (The Institute 1964-1970 - et toi?) - Tim riley (talk) 12:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Miss Lindsay's Garden School and St Margaret's Church School. I left Liverpool when I was 7, not long after Bill Shankly arrived. The two events are not connected. Brianboulton (talk) 21:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Animal

Thank you for conducting a review. If you could place comments you feel have been addressed in a drop box that would be great. Also, i have requested a copy edit to help with prose and punctuation. Just waiting for someone to take it on. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 00:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

L'Orfeo

You're doing a great job! If you need any help tracking down arcane refs or photos, just give a shout. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 00:53, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations

The Mahler Eighth article looks great on the Front Page. Well done. Jonyungk (talk) 00:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

It's a wonderful article, Brian, thank you. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 05:37, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to FA status. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 09:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for another most impressive article! It feels like an honour for three of my noms to share the page with that one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm listening to Solti's recording of it now. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:12, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

My congratulations too Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:55, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to all the above for the compliments and appreciation. Brianboulton (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

...I have some significant issues with your reversion of my edit. Material had not been 'excised' at all. Just moved. Sentences purged were syntactically and semantically redundant. But most importantly, I would have appreciated discussion rather than a stealth reversion. Please see the discussion page when you can. Thanks. Bosola (talk) 19:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

National Public Radio piece on Mahler's 8th

I listened to this National Public Radio story on Mahler's 8th and thought you would enjoy it. Mostly Michael Tilson Thomas talking about the process he went through to learn and record the symphony, but also some possibly useful bits. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 16:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Orfeo discography

Inspired by your gigantic work on the Orfeo article, an by my own personal and professional interest in classical music recordings, I have started work on an Orfeo discography that could be used as part of a spin-off page. Below is what I have in mind (to be expanded), following the example of other discographies. I would like your opinion on the formatting, and especially on the choice of roles. I have broken the rule of one cast member per line, because in this case that would make the table very long indeed.

Year	Cast (La Musica, Orfeo, Euridice, Messagiera, Speranza, Caronte, Proserpina, Plutone, Apollo)	Conductor Orchestra Chorus	Label Catalogue number
1955	Margot Guillaume, Helmut Krebs, Hanni Mack-Cossack, Jeanne Deroubaix, Jeanne Deroubaix, Peter Roth-Ehrgang, Margot Guillaume, Horst Günter, Fritz Wunderlich	August Wenzinger Orchester den sommerlichen Musiktage Hitzacker Chor der Musikhochschule Hamburg	Audio CD: Deutsche Grammophon "Archiv" Cat: 453 176 2
1960	Doris Yarick, Gérard Souzay, Judith Raskin, Regina Sarfaty, Joy Clements, Andrew Frierson Evelyn Sachs, Joshua Hecht, Frank Porretta	Leopold Stokowski New York City Opera	Audio CD: Mitridate "Ponto" Cat: PO 1046 (recorded live 29 September 1960)
1968	Wally Staempfli, Eric Tappy, Magali Schwartz, Laura Sarti, Margit Conrad, François Loup, Juliette Bise, Jakob Stämpfli, Theo Altmeyer	Michel Corboz Ensemble Vocal et Instrumental de Lausanne	Audio CD: Erato 4509 98531 2
1969	Rotraud Hansmann, Lajos Kozma, Rotraud Hansmann, Cathy Berberian, Cathy Berberian, Nikolaus Simkowsky, Eiko Katanosaka, Jacques Villisech, Max von Egmond	Nikolaus Harnoncourt Concentus Musicus Wien Capella Antiqua München	Audio CD: Warner Classics/Teldec "Das Alte Werk" Cat: 2564 69645 8
1980	Rosemarie Bühler, Joachim Seipp, Melinda Liebermann Heide Blanca-Roeser, Rosemarie Bühler, Uwe Bliesch Rochelle Travis, Cornelius Hauptmann, Erwin Spaett	Siegfried Heinrich Chorus and Orchestra of the Bad Hersfeld Festival	LP: Jubilate Cat: JU 85810 2
1991	Catherine Bott, John Mark Ainsley, Julia Gooding Catherine Bott, Christopher Robson, Simon Grant Catherine Bott, Michael George, Andrew King	Philip Pickett New London Consort	Audio CD: Decca "L'oiseau Lyre" Cat: 433 545 2

Would appreciate your comments before continuing. --Francesco Malipiero (talk) 19:32, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Francesco, I am delighted by your interest. However, as you will see from here, I have already done significant work on the Orfeo discography, so far as the basic tables are concerned. I haven't done any links to reviews, which is a big improvement. Play around with my tables by all means; I was going to work on them after the main article is done, but any fresh input and ideas are highly desirable. Also, any comments on the main article, as it slowly emerges, would be much appreciated. Brianboulton (talk) 20:26, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I feel uncomfortable editing other editor's sandboxes, but I do have a remark about the referencing. I believe that a reference in a row of a table should refer to the content of that particular row only. I am having trouble expressing myself clearly here. What I mean is, I believe it would be better to keep the references to Operadis and Presto Classical as general sources, instead of referring to them over and over again in almost every row of the table: the resulting reflist is more confusing than helpful. --Francesco Malipiero (talk) 22:26, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll move my tables to article space and you can edit them there. Happy to go along with your suggestions re referencing, if you're prepared to do it. The discography article will need some text, but that can come later. Brianboulton (talk) 22:35, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Now at L'Orfeo discography Brianboulton (talk) 22:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I've shown you mine ...

... but I'm afraid that my review may not have been what the nominator was hoping for. C'est la vie, perhaps it'll at least encourage others to voice an opinion. Malleus Fatuorum 21:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Things Aren't Simple Any More/archive1

Hello Brian. Thank you for peer reviewing this article. I wonder if you could help me address another editor's concerns? The JPS^{talk to me}

Talkback @ WP:Peer_review/Hutchinson Central Technical High School/archive1

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Thank you, for your times and efforts in replying to the evaluation this article. If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} or {{Whisper Back}} message on my talk page. Wolfnix • Talk • 01:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: File:Vincent d'Indy.jpg

Hi, Brian. I think it should be fine. Reutlinger's photo would ordinarily have its US copyright restored by the URAA (not public domain in France before 1996 and without a known publication date—although I suspect it is likely before 1923), but as far as I know, Commons accept the Bains template for copyright status in the US. Jappalang (talk) 22:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your help. Brianboulton (talk) 00:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

L'Orfeo performance history

Please see my comments at Talk:L'Orfeo#Article expansion.4meter4 (talk) 05:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, I will make appropriste adjustments to the draft, but I'm busy off-wiki today. Brianboulton (talk) 07:23, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Acknowledgement

Got your message, and I am traveling today but will either look at it during my layover, or (more likely) sometime tomorrow). My output is up because I am writing 20,000 byte articles instead of 90,000 ones, although I have a couple of large ones coming up.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:52, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and when I'm done with Monteverdi I'm going to do a shorticle by expanding Talbot Baines Reed, the Victorian typeographer and writer of uplifting tales for boys. I don't know if his oeuvre reached America, but he was big stuff here at least until the mid 20th century. Might be fun. And then, at some stage, you & I are going to tackle Gianni Schicchi, perhaps? Brianboulton (talk) 11:59, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure, whenever you want. I need to start accumulating materials on that. I saw you've made a start on accumulating materials on Nixon in China. And Connormah persuaded me to do another Canadian Prime Minister, and it looks like Sir John A. Macdonald is the designated victim there.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:49, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

My projected sequence after Orfeo is Reed (Oct) → Evelyn Waugh (Oct/Nov)→ Gianni Schicchi (End Nov/Dec). Nixon in China is slotted in for Feb 2011, after you've been to the Met. Brianboulton (talk) 15:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:15, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

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