User talk:Blunt001

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Nomination of Homeless Individuals Income Generation for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Homeless Individuals Income Generation is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Homeless Individuals Income Generation until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. South Nashua (talk) 15:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Blunt001/sandbox

That is looking a lot better! One suggestion before you put the draft into article space: maybe change the title? Something like "Income Generation Among The Homeless" or "Economic Activities of Homeless Populations" or something like that. South Nashua (talk) 17:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Or "Income Sources Among Homeless Populations." You can build on and borrow a bit from what they've got here. South Nashua (talk) 17:09, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I will be taking your advice when I get back to work on it this weekend! Much appreciated advice — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blunt001 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Another point: please remember that this is an international encyclopedia, and clarify whether your article only relates to the United States or is attempting to be global. For example, in the UK "selling plasma to donation centers" is not an option, but selling The Big Issue is. PamD 18:58, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Recreating the article under a different name makes it look as though you're trying to conceal the connection to your previous version and its deletion discussion. My 2¢. Cabayi (talk) 10:18, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at what I posted in the original page and compare it to the page I just created, you will find I have made several changes to adhere to the guidlines. I have taken into consideration what has been suggested to me, have made the changes and I am still being removed. I'm very confused. Additionally, there is no hiding the connection, it's literally the same topic with a better title and much more information that is backed up with citations. Blunt001 (talk) 10:53, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at what I posted in the original page - I'm not an admin so I can't see your deleted article. All I can see is that there was an article, it was discussed for deletion, it was deleted, and you recreated it (or something very similar) under a slightly different name. From the little bits I can see (and ignoring the fact you're on a course and that you've declared that) it has all the appearance of someone trying to game the system.

You've noticed my comments on Adam's talk page concerning the inherent problems of hosting an Advocacy course on Wikipedia which requires a neutral point of view. That ought to have been more carefully thought out by your tutors & the folks at WikiEd.

Beyond that, your article appears to duplicate the subject matter of Homelessness#Income sources and would likely be speedily deleted as A10. It may be better for you to expand that section rather than to write an article from scratch.

The welcome message at the head of the page is tailored to students. I'll add the normal welcome message in the hope you'll get a fuller understanding of what the Wikipedia community expects. I'm sorry that you're caught between what appear to be conflicting requirements. I'm sorry that I'm not telling you what you want to hear, but I hope this is less stressful in the long run. Cabayi (talk) 11:47, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for coming to me to explain, it is appreciated. Please rest assured my intentions are not to game the system, but rather produce a page that consists of a collection of research I have found from credible sources. This is why I and am still very confused on it not meeting guidelines for Original Research and a neutral point of view. I have tried to find things in what I wrote that would appear or is in fact bias, with no luck. I got some suggestions for changing a title around to what I assume warrant it having its own page. Conflicting requirements may be the appearance, however I am willing and wanting to learn how to produce a page that meets requirements. Telling my what I want to hear is not a good thing, I want to improve, so thank you for the information I will continue to work on this. Thank you! Blunt001 (talk) 12:01, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome!

Hello, Blunt001, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

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Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask for help on your talk page, and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! Cabayi (talk) 11:47, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Income Generation Among The Homeless

Hi. I've moved this to your userspace. As it stands it's an essay and original research. Deb (talk) 10:13, 5 February 2017 (UTC)‎[reply]

What else am I to put into this piece that would make it fit. I compare what I have done to other pages (varying topics) and it appears to me I have backed up and cited much more citeable information and I am still being removed. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Did you read original research? Deb (talk) 11:40, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did and I suppose I am confused but I have backed up statements with research that has been done. Is there something specifically that I could change, delete, add, expand on in order to improve the quality? I will do the work I just am confused on where to go with what I have. Blunt001 (talk) 12:03, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, let's start with the existing article: Homelessness#Income_sources. What is missing from this that you want to add and that couldn't go into the existing section? Deb (talk) 15:45, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you're saying, adding to what is already there. I did want to make it its own page as there are both formal and informal jobs that homeless individuals occupy. A subsection doesn't seem to do justice for the amount of information especially the information that can be expanded upon that I have not found yet. Blunt001 (talk) 21:01, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Victor Rios

Hey, sorry I couldn't do more the other day. The article is definitely looking alright now though, you're on the right track. Keep up the good work! South Nashua (talk) 19:35, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]