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Mediation

I want mediation! The first editor suggested rewriting. The second editor unilaterally rejected the article (which is valuable and acceptable for Wikipedia.) and now you have unilaterally rejected the article.

There are many articles about various types of martial arts and this is just another one.

I am very disheartened with Wikipedia. Giving unilateral power to one person to just reject articles with no recourse.

I have spent about a month on this article. Researching copious amounts of appropriate data. Writing and rewriting the article.

I want an unbiased arbitrator or mediator.

I am new to Wikipedia, what is the process for getting arbitration? Bushido77 (talk) 01:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Articles must be WP:NOTABLE with no WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH.

You need to prove, without research, that christian martial arts is a notable topic. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I already proved it. More than 30 books and magazine articles, plus as many Christian ministries.

That is enough proof! I want mediation.

You cannot be the unilateral final authority.

What steps are involved in initiating mediation? Bushido77 (talk) 01:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

For example, you cannot interpret Bible verses yourself on Wikipedia. That's original research.

You also need to pick better sources. GotQuestions.org is not reliable.

And simply using a book title you searched up on Google Books that have christian martial arts as a vague theme is not a notable fact. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I did not simply give titles. In most cases I gave links to the books themselves or Google books.

An appropriate thing would be to reject the article for rewriting. But you unilaterally omit all my work.

How can I initiate arbitration? Bushido77 (talk) 01:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

You tell me I need better sources while at the same time you tell me it is "contrary to Wikipedia purposes", which one is it? They seem mutually exclusive.

How can I get an unbiased mediator? Bushido77 (talk) 01:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

First, stop WP:SHOUTING and using bold text. Second, if you want, you can resubmit. I took a look at your previous contributions and saw you haranguing the guy who previously rejected the article. And third, what are you suggesting when you type "initiate arbitration"? Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

The art WP:SHOUTING article allows for bold type.

I was not haranguing anyone. I worked hard on that article (about a month of research and rewriting) only to have it shot down unilaterally by individuals with no opportunity to re-work it.

I am new to Wikipedia editing and there must be some type of mediation or arbitration when I feel the editor is wrong and unwilling to help.

I am just asking what is the process for doing so? Bushido77 (talk) 02:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

If you really want, resubmit as a draft and another reviewer will take a look. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 02:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't know how to resubmit as a draft.

Wikipedia editing is exhausting. I provide valuable and well-researched information and one person unilaterally can throw it all away. Bushido77 (talk) 02:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

The rules behind wikipedia take time to learn. I apologize that you worked so hard on that page without some feedback first. I posted a welcome page on your talk page. Your draft will not be deleted for 6 months.

Practice on some other pages and come back to the draft later when you have some free time. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 02:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I have practiced on other pages. And the frustration builds. As a matter of fact, I copied the format for this article from another martial arts page.

I understand a learning curve, but a complete rejection without the ability to edit and rewrite the article is uncalled for, and in my opinion, simply wrong.

I read that one of the primary rules of editing is to make changes yourself to help the page into compliance. That seems to rarely happen if ever. Bushido77 (talk) 02:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

though we hope to keep you on the project, this is all WP:VOLUNTARY. we are not obliged to answer or soothe your frustrations at the end of the day or to accept any work from anyone.

this is probably my final reply to you. please work on another article and learn the ropes slowly Bluethricecreamman (talk) 02:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Fine. I will try and find Wikipedia's method for arbitration or mediation. There must be some method to address bias. Bushido77 (talk) 02:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Bushido77 Bluethricecreamman is right. Among other things, you are using self-published books from Trafford Publishing, Authorhouse, and you used CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform 7 times. "Meditations of a Christian Martial Artist" is published by the author so can't be used. Read WP:RS.There is no arbitration procedure for this and you were told that, why are you asking for it again?. Note that I have over 250,000 edits so I do have quite a bit of experience with article.

This might be a notable topic, Google seems to have sources writing about it although I haven't looked at those. But your article is unacceptable.

I see that at Evangelism User:Golikom reverted an edit of yours saying "Undid revision 1249347637 by Bushido77 (talk)Stop it. This is not properly sourced, contains a load of original research and is not written in an encyclopaedic way.' which is the problem you have here. Doug Weller talk 07:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback but you are wrong. More than 30 books and more than 30 Christian martial arts ministries certainly qualify it for Wikipedia.

What is the process to request unbiased arbitration or mediation?

You guys don't even get your responses straight.

• the first guy said it is not written encyclopedic - so I rewrote it
• the second guy said it is not valid for inclusion in Wikipedia
• the third guy said it is not notable
• you say it may be notable but you reject the sources

Wikipedia must have some method of unbiased dispute resolution. Your word cannot be the final say.

There must be some reason you won't tell me how to initiate mediation. Bushido77 (talk) 12:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah you read Golikom's responses. But that does not change the fact that I sourced legitimate Ph.D.s for support... and apparently he disagreed with the Ph.D.s and unilaterally rejected those edits.

If there is no way to get unbiased mediation, that is really pitiful. Bushido77 (talk) 12:40, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Split proposal

I you haven't otherwise noticed your split proposal at Talk:Imane Khelif#Proposal to create and split off new article "2024 Olympic Boxing Controversy" with the closer finding rough consensus for a split. TarnishedPath^talk 23:47, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath Yeah I've noticed. Just been kinda busy, so been jumping between random stuff on wikipedia as it interests me.

I think the work to split off and make a new article will take some time and effort ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Will get to it as necessary. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 23:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

You're right on it not looking like a small job given there's at least three articles involved. TarnishedPath^talk 00:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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when is an edit request not an edit request

Hello there, I do acknowledge that my edit request required many characters, but I would kindly ask that you fully read a talk page topic before deleting it. Especially if your justification for deleting it is that it is not in the format of an edit request. I clearly expressed "please change x to y." Thank you for demonstrating a commitment to WP and I hope you have a good rest of your day. Mikewem (talk) 17:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mikewem You must use WP:EDITREQUEST format and template. And any edit request that is that long is more a discussion.

Continued participation in WP:ARBECR areas like this could get admin attention, and from my own experience (see the warnings above on my own talk page), they will immediately sanction offending users given a chance. They take very tough lines on this topic area. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 17:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I am confident that this edit request conforms to WP guidelines, I disagree with your statement about length. Please do not disruptively edit or I may refer your actions to admin. Mikewem (talk) 17:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Signature formatting

Hi Bluethricecreamman. Sorry I had to fix some of the formatting related to your comments in WP:RSN#CNN. I'm not sure what happened but you signature ended up on an un-indented newline, which broke formatting and the reply function. If I got anything wrong please feel free to trout me. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 17:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

nah... I was gonna do so too, but then everyone's formatting went weird and i gave up

thanks for fixing it. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 17:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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You forgot to sign

Just friendly note, you forgot to sign Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_always_be_considered_WP:SPS_and_therefore_subject_to_WP:BLPSPS? - I just marked the missing signature for you, feel free to replace it by your real signature if you'd like. Raladic (talk) 02:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

oops. TY. I went ahead and actually signed. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I've never created an RfC, but doesn't your signature need to be placed after the two options? Right now, the options don't show up at RfC PaG. FactOrOpinion (talk) 03:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

That page listing is based on Legobot assigning an invisible ID for the RFC and then crossposting it. The point of the listing there is to notify people of an ongoing discussion, it doesn't need to have the whole content there. Raladic (talk) 04:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the churn

Hey, apologies for the brief churn in my thought process on the RfC. As I thought a bit more about it, I saw the conundrum with removing the second sentence in the applicability of the policy refinement. Raladic (talk) 07:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

np. its a wickedly hard question to constrain. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 07:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

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Deleting/censoring edit requests

I provided a detailed edit request on the "pallywood" page with sources. I didn't get a reply, but you appear to have simply removed my suggestions.

Why? And what can I do to influence that article when it demonstrates inaccuracies? KikoBit (talk) 02:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

was not paying attention and made a mistake. My bad, I'll revert. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@KikoBit@Bluethricecreamman I see that at least the first edit request was not a proper one but a discussion of the article, and thus removed properly. Doug Weller talk 09:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

the difference between a malformed long edit request and foruming remains difficult sometimes, and i thought to give the benefit of the doubt Bluethricecreamman (talk) 13:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Your efforts are appreciated. This topic and the information mass spread on Wikipedia goes a long way to affect lives. KikoBit (talk) 11:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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its fine made an article already Bluethricecreamman (talk) 05:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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