User talk:Bluegroper

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Nikki Grahame

I have undid your removal of content about her being an escort. she was the one revealing it to the tabloid, and I have not been shown anything to say she denies it. I have changed the reference to an off line one. The publisher should be referenced and it is acceptable to give an offline citation without an online link.GunGagdin ^Moan 14:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The story to the News of the World about Nikki being a High Class Escort was a result of unscrupulous people selling their stories to the News of the World for profit and reporters bailing Nikki up for answers. In no way did Nikki raise this story but she has defended herself on numerous TV shows and of cause her book where she states what really happened, Nikki is entitled to a defense on this story. If you want I will give you a list of TV shows where she did this also scan the relevant pages of her book. But before I do that I want to know am I wasting my time as its seems the career section has been written to give the impression Nikki was a career Escort which is totally untrue.--Bluegroper (talk) 12:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also the part about numerous jobs, Nikki did keep down a job with Clarins for two years as a shop assistant in the perfume counter. Also she was a promotions model at Harrods before going on to Big Brother. The references being TV shows Richard and Judy in 2006 and a TV show called This Morning, videos are available and I don't mind updating her career sectionto bring it up to date, but I do have a problem with the inaccurate story from News of the World. --Bluegroper (talk) 12:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the Blind date reference from a 3rd party which I think the editor did mean to embarrass her by using a contestants opinion which makes her look foolish but on the other hand Nikki as the picker had the first say about what she thought of her date, but there is no mention of this? I think there is no need to mention anything other then she was on blind date in a career section! --Bluegroper (talk) 16:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah brilliant. If you have sources to update then great, go for it. We go on sources and that was the only source that we had, and nobody who'd read her autobio had bothered to update the article, until now. You can add something like this, "Grahame was accudsed of being an escort by the NOTW. However, in Grahame's account in her autobio ......" Thing is, she was interviewed in that article and there are quotes from her, so we cant deny that she worked as some sort of escort. She probably gave them an exclusive at the time as they had threatened to blow the story anyway unless she did. we dont exclude info just because it may make Nikki look bad in some way, that would be censorship and propaganda. it's not a fan page, but equally it's not there to make jibes at her either, we just need to ensure it's neutral.GunGagdin ^Moan 19:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, I think her best defense is what she wrote in her autobiography and will use that. I have been following Nikki since her appearance on BB in 2006 and do have quite a lot of information. Will update some more stuff in the next couple of days. And will keep this talk up to date on my reasonings. Also on the NOTW article Nikki did talk to a lot of people but never gave that story to the NOTW but was cornered by them to respond to the accusations, people made a lot of money on Nikki selling their stories which were totally untrue and thats why I have a problem with it. --Bluegroper (talk) 12:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In this case neither source is all that reliable. When caught in a "tough" situation the first reaction is for someone to deny, deny, and further deny any negative allegations in order to save face. However Bluegroper does raise a valid point that certain people will sell a story to the tabloids just to make some quick money whether or not a story is true. I think in the interest of being balanced it might be best to simply tell both sides of the story. I would however say that when we make edits to articles we should make them based on the interests of the "Article" NOT the necessarily the interests of a particular person or topic as it is very easy for an article to become very one sided. I don't think information should ever be removed on the grounds they might "embarrass" someone. An Autobiography is still a questionable source to be using. I'm not saying Nikki would intentionally recount situations differently than they actually happened but that there is a possibility she has. Due to your personal feelings towards Nikki and relationship with her I think it would be best Bluegroper if you discussed edits with everyone before you make them to avoid bias. 142.110.227.247 (talk) 14:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In any case the section should be removed as it is totally untrue from News of The World who have lost all credibility not only does the article not exist anymore but now News of The World no longer exist by unscrupulous practices. Nikki has defended herself on numerous TV shows, I know her history, know her personally and her family and know the truth. Wiki should be about true information and not digging up dirt when a source is missing and has been discredited, references and argument should be removed. Wiki should be about reporting on a celebrity with credible information and not referencing missing stories from sources that have been discredited!--Bluegroper (talk) 13:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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