User talk:Blueboar/drafts

Comments on my drafts?

I haven't read the entire discussion about Fox News, but, this draft seems reasonable. It will be interesting to see what sort of reaction this gets. wbm1058 (talk) 20:08, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think "including (but not limited to) Reliable Sources" should be changed to "including (but not limited to) Reliable Sources (Not to be confused with Wikipedia:Reliable sources.) " --Guy Macon (talk) 23:49, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This draft makes one egregious error: it proposes that CNN's opinions are as batshit insane as those on Fox. That is not true. MSNBC's opinion shows are as biased as Fox shows, but more accurate; CNN's are not. To draw an equivalence between CNN and Fox is a Trump talking point but is simply not accurate. Guy (help! - typo?) 22:37, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean "MSNBC's opinion shows are as biased as Fox shows, but more accurate; CNN's are not [more accurate than fox]?" or did you mean "MSNBC's opinion shows are as biased as Fox shows, but more accurate; CNN's are not [as biased as fox]"?.
Might I suggest posting just the MSNBC RfC and seeing how that goes before tackling CNN?

This sort of thing always attracts a bunch of comments that boil down to

"Waaah!! [ You treat liberal sources better than conservative sources! | You treat conservative sources better than liberal sources! ] (pick one.) Call Whine-one-one! I need a Waaahbulance!!".

Best to get all of that out of a way while comparing two crappy sources like Fox News and MSNBC without the added complication of addressing a biased but less-crappy source like CNN. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:49, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Macon, I have no problem in treating Fox and MSNBC opinion shows the same (though a comparison of Hannity's recent book with Maddow's reveals a dramatically different approach to facts and research). CNN is markedly different. CNN cable, is a different issue, but the main CNN broadcast channel is a good source. A world in which we treat serious news organisations like CNN the same as we treat Fox - which was, let's not forget, explicitly created because Roger Ailes thought the bad guys in Watergate were WaPo and the NYT - is a workld in which reality and bullshit begin to have full parity.

I am reminded of the never-ending accusations of social media companies being biased against "conservatives" because most of the people banned for racism and other bigotry are conservative. It's almost as if liberals are less bigoted and less likely to lie about provable facts. It's almost as if liberal media has incentives to fact-check, whereas conservative media has incentives to tribal loyaly. Guy (help! - typo?) 23:56, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing Fox and MSNBC opinion shows is sort of like saying that, of the Three Stooges, Curly Joe was the intellectual stooge. I distrust any comparisons between "liberal media" and "conservative media" because most such comparisons compare batshit crazy sources from The Other Team with quite reasonable sources from Our Team. Let's just stick to comparing Fox and MSNBC. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Macon, Heh! I think that is a compelling argument. Guy (help! - typo?) 00:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all for your comments. Most of them would be excellent comments to make at the RFC itself. I disagree on not asking about CNN. It may be that consensus will indeed say that it is in a different league from FOX and MSNBC... but we won’t know unless we ASK. Blueboar (talk) 01:15, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]