User talk:Bluebirds27

Llanrumney

Hi there, I don't recall inserting any information. I was just trying to tidy the article up, remove repeated information, improve grammar and make sure the article was written from a neutral point of view etc. I'm a bit concerned about the information. There is an awful lot on what is, from a Wikipedia perspective, quite a small matter, so some the information might not be encyclopaedic. After all this is not a news or council website, it's an encyclopaedia. I'll take a look at the article again in a few days. Welshleprechaun (talk) 10:00, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Can we try and keep it calm please? Yes you're right, Wikipedia is an enyclopaedia. However you are wrong in stating that one can include unlimited information on given topics. Information must be notable - see WP:Notability. Also it is just your opinion that it is the "biggest single event to happen to the life of the Llanrumney community for the last fifty years and for the next fifty years". Some residents of Llanrumney might be indifferent to the plans, more than 70% to be precise given the turnout. I have no opinion on the matter, living on the other side of the city, I am simply trying to keep things encylopaedic and trying to stick to Wikipaedia's policies and guidelines. I have no wish to enter any incorrect information or destroy your work on the article. Please feel free to raise this issue with administrators if you wish. As experienced editors they will agree that abiding by WP policies and guidelines is not censorship. Also, as I stated, I don't recall inserting any information. If I had, that was purely a mistake during tidying up the article. Welshleprechaun (talk) 14:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Living the other side of the city may account for your lack of understanding of the issues.

As for the turnout - if you read - it was comparable to local election turn outs here as the poll was held over a mere 5 hours. I note that you did not comment on the 8,000 signature petition when stating that some residents of Llanrumney may be indifferent. There will be residents of Llanrumney who are indifferent to this event but are you suggesting that every thread on an Encyclopedia must interest every person who has any interest in the page? So you never read a page and find some passages more interesting than others?

All my inclusions have been referenced with links to South Wales Echo articles and the BBC Wales News Online web pages. Are you suggesting that these are not good sources of information to reference what I am writing in the main text?

I am angry because it took me hours and yet you think it's not relevant yet for a year you have done nothing about patently incorrect information being repeated on this page. Or perhaps you think Wikipedia is well served by articles that state schools will close in 2014 - no references given - when the actual date clearly referenced in Council papers, by the Echo and BBC is 2012 -two whole years apart.

I am more than happy for my additions to be checked by Wikipedia Admin moderators and an encyclopedic means = comprehensive information.

I haven't suggested anything - I am merely telling you what my edits are based upon. What I am concerned about at the moment is verifiabilty, notability and ensuring your clearly bias view towards the situation isn't compromising the way in which articles must be written from a neutral point of view. I have not said that your additions have contradicted these policies, this is just how I edit and how others should edit. If you don't like it, you can take it higher. If you continue to be rude, that is what I'll be doing. Welshleprechaun (talk) 16:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

"Ensuring your clearly bias view" - I would ask anyone to read the text of what I have written and state how it could be viewed as containing "bias". It is a factually written account of events that have transpired. Please tell me which bits are biased as they are accompanied by copious references to BBC, South Wales Echo and Council documents.

I am happy to report my edits to Wikipedia for Wikipedia to decide. I continue to state they might be happier with edits that do not falsely claim a school will close in 2014 when in fact it will close in 2012.

You seem to have a problem with the subject matter of my edits even though "School Reorganisation" was a pre-exisiting thread.Bluebirds27 (talk) 17:00, 21 March 2010 (UTC))

The text itself is rather neutral. I said that you yourself show a bias view during discussion with myself. I have stated this several times, but you still don't seem to understand that I am not claiming the school closes in 2014. That was an error during my edit. Also, one does not "report" edits to be decided. They have to be reported by someone if there seems to be a problem through the appropriately channels. I'd like to suggest that you move the paragraphs on the school closure to Llanrumney High School where it would most appropriately belong. Welshleprechaun (talk) 18:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I take it that you mean to pay me a compliment by stating that my text in the article is neutral. I feel that this text is in the appropriate section as it clearly extends beyond the mere closure of the school. The issues involved concern education, the Eastern Leisure Centre, public open space, local democracy and the relationship between the people of Llanrumney and Cardiff Council. You do not have to take any point of view on this to recogonise that is clearly the case. I also notice that you have never suggested that the subject matter should belong to Llanrumney High School before now even though the heading School Reorganisation has existed with, as you admit incorrect information, for over a year and possibly longer. There is some reason why you are not comfortable with an issue being referenced to that has been covered extensively on a plethora of media platforms. This I find rather odd. (Bluebirds27 (talk) 18:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC))

Again, as I have already said, I really don't care about the issue at all. I do however care about what belongs where on Wikipedia. However this amount of detail belongs on Llanrumney High School as it is the primary issue, so if you don't move it, I will. I don't know what the article was like before you started work on it as it has been inactive for quite some while. As it is on my Watchlist, it only came to my attention when you started editing. Welshleprechaun (talk) 18:58, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

As you are an experienced Wikipedia user you know that you can identify the page before I began editing it anytime that you so wished. If you do so you will be reminded that the School Reorganisation section already existed with the incorrect dates of 2014 listed that you yourself state you edited into the piece. I can understand why you would not wish to be reminded of such a glaring error.(Bluebirds27 (talk) 20:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC))

Ah I see, I misunderstood your accusation. You are accusing me of keeping the article deliberatly inaccurate by not editing it? Is that right? Welshleprechaun (talk) 11:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Based on your accusations a few days ago, I suggest you read WP:IMPERFECT. This will tell you how inappropriate it is to accuse editors of not editing articles to perfection. Welshleprechaun (talk) 13:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Do not create sock puppets again

Per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bluebirds27, it was clear that you used that second account for the sole purpose to deceive others via votestacking. Do not do that again, or you will be blocked from editing for sock puppetry. Regards, –MuZemike 20:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

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Interesting!

Your comment

Would you care to elaborate on your accusation with some explanation and evidence? Welshleprechaun (talk) 22:10, 27 March 2010 (UTC)