User talk:BlueSapphires

Your note

Thanks, BS. I haven't edited that article for a long time, so it might be a good idea to leave it on that talk page. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 09:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Amyphoto deletion discussion

All that is necessary is to identify the copyright holder. There is some speculation going on with regards to licensing, if Renner could confirm that the copyright is owned by the parents or by the school, or otherwise identify the copyright holder, the image will be kept. Why such a big fuss? Well, WP:NFCC#10 requires source information and attribution of the copyright holder. If you ask me, this criterion has been satisfied and then some. ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 15:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Racking up the number of GFDL licensed stuff is pretty much what Wikipedia is all about. I agree that there are many images that no copyright holder would ever allow to be released under a free license and understand how this could be one of those cases. I'll gladly keep tabs on the IfD discussion, but any closure would have to be done by an uninvolved admin. Regards, ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 15:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia is run by the Wikimedia Foundation, a non-profit from Florida founded by Jimmy Wales. The GFDL was chosen as the basic license since it allowed modification and redistribution (including commercial publication) of all material, provided that the license is maintained in derivative works and all contributors and prior revisions are attributed (hence the edit history). Other licenses, like some of the ones defined by Creative Commons, allow a greater degree of freedom, but for Wikipedia to use any of them, they must be free or functionally equal to the public domain. Your comparison to Corbis is apt: the WMF also runs Wikimedia Commons, a repository of free images that anyone can use. Essentially all us editors create content that you don't have to pay for, but that others can profit from. ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 16:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• In answer to your inquiry on my talk page, write to the parents and ask if they own the picture and if they are willing to license the photo for any purpose, or if they give permission for publication only. You should be especially careful if they ask what the license entails. They should have an informed choice about derivative works etc. -Nard 15:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
  • See WP:COPYREQ for help in that regard. howcheng {chat} 17:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

TARA READE on the talk page

Hello BlueSapphire. I am cognisant, this is an old discussion. That said, I wanted to bring something up though...Long time watcher, first time poster...How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? I think we are focused to much on semantics a common trait on this talk pages, I see. Defect, in its simplest definition is "the desertion of one's country or cause in favour of an opposing one." You don't have to be prosecuted to move from one country to another to be a "defector", you don't have to give up your citizenship to be a "defector". Oxford dictionary: "A defector is someone who leaves their country, political party, or other group, and joins an opposing country, party, or group." Again, I respect your viewpoints. That said, I have to take minor umbrage at how you characterize "defection". Thanks for listening, and Happy Memorial Day, 2024. Ironcurtain2 (talk) 05:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Ironcurtain2 (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Ironcurtain, If you read Ms. Reade's allegory, she requested asylum, due to having been put on an Interpol list, while doing work in Moscow related to the translation of her book. That's very different from defection. In any event, as of July 2024, according to MSN she's back in the U.S., seeking legal relief ("suing") in Federal court, with a lawyer, for her claim as a victim of third-degree sexual assault. BlueSapphires (talk) 16:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

As for your umbrage about how I characterize a definition, "Gosh", debating word-definitions isn't the role of Wikipedia. Defection is a political/legal term. I used the definition from Oxford's online dictionary. If you read her story, she didn't choose to leave the U.S. for Russia. She went to Russia for work, and once there, she was told she was going to be arrested on the way-back, so she filed for temporary asylum. If she got it, it's not-valid at this point, because asylum usually reverts (under the 1951 Convention on Refugees) if the asylee returns home or accepts the protection of their home country.

With all due respect, your login name suggests something of a bias. I crossed the actual Iron Curtain in the 1980s, before it fell - so I grasp the gravity of the history of that region. But this awareness is not part of my identity. I am neutral about Ms. Reade, and about the terminology: asylum, defection, etc. Asylum is a legal term. Defection is a political term, usually reserved for the past, when there was an Iron Curtain. BlueSapphires (talk) 16:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Email 1 from Ohio School Pictures

• Email (with original headers) confirming that Ohio School Pictures is the photographer for Amy’s school. Email addresses have been edited to replace for the “@” with “–AT-“, and “-DOT-COM” with, “-DOT-COM”, so as to limit the spam-damage towards my gmail account, as well as to Ohio School Pictures. Headers have been included for reference validity purposes (to prove I didn't make up the conversation).

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From: "Customer Service" <customerservice-AT-ohioschoolpictures-DOT-COM> To: "'Blue Sapphire'" <sapphires.blue-AT-gmail-DOT-COM> Subject: RE: School: Bay Middle School Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:56:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

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Yes, we take pictures at Bay Village Middle School.

Thank you.

Customer Service

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Email 2 from Ohio School Pictures

• Email (with original headers) confirming that Ohio School Pictures is the photographer for Amy’s school. Email addresses have been edited to replace for the “@” with “–AT-“, and “-DOT-COM” with, “-DOT-COM”, so as to limit the spam-damage towards my gmail account, as well as to Ohio School Pictures. Headers have been included for reference validity purposes (to prove I didn't make up the conversation).BlueSapphires 18:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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From: "Customer Service" <customerservice-AT-ohioschoolpictures-DOT-COM> To: "'Blue Sapphire'" <sapphires.blue-AT-gmail-DOT-COM> Subject: RE: School: Bay Middle School Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:31:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

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Yes, we did. Since we are in an office building, do close to 600 schools, and we went digital a couple of years ago, we are sorry but we do not have any records past the last two years.

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From: Blue Sapphire [1] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:23 AM To: Customer Service Subject: Re: School: Bay Middle School

Please, did you take pictures at that school in 1989?

Thank you.

Ms. Sapph

Nice work

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For your excellent research at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 August 3#Image:Amyphoto.jpg I hereby award you this barnstar. howcheng {chat} 19:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow. Just.... wow. Very nice research. Especially good is using the JonBenet case as an example of how these can play out. - TexasAndroid 19:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, definitely awesome work. I wish more people took the time to do their homework this way. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 19:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm impressed too. ElinorD (talk) 21:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Gosh, thanks so much for the nice praise. I hope this was helpful.  :) BlueSapphires 21:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Peace?

I offer this dove and olive branch to an obviously serious editor, along with an apology for any offense caused. Happy editing! Videmus Omnia ^Talk 20:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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Email Release from Ohio School Pictures to use photo of Amy Miheljevic in the Wikipedia Article (implied Fair Use Release)

Name actually spelled Mihaljevic, please see below link

Email Release from Ohio School Pictures to use photo of Amy Mihaljevic in the Wikipedia Article (implied Fair Use Release)

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To Whom it May Concern:

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It is with great pleasure that I send thanks to Ohio School Pictures, copyright holder of the 1989 school photograph of Amy Mihaljevic, for their gracious gift of a formal release sent to me today. Ohio School Pictures has provided that Wikipedia should have permission to publish the 1989 school photograph of Amy Mihaljevic in the Wikipedia article concerning her disappearance and murder. I'm sure that I represent everyone's opinion when we express our greatest appreciation to Ohio School Pictures for their kind support and generosity in this gesture. We'll take good care of her picture and hopefully this will serve the greater public good.

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BlueSapphires BlueSapphires 22:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Copy of the Release to Wikipedia from Ohio School Pictures

August 7, 2007

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Please consider this a release to use a picture of Amy Mihaljevic that was taken in 1989 for use in an article describing her disappearance and murder.

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Raw Email for Verification/Validity of Email from Ohio School Pictures to BlueSapphires

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Please note that I've edited the email to replace -AT- and -DOT-COM so that Ohio School Pictures and my gmail account won't be spammed as a result of this being published. I've also edited all phone numbers into literal form for the same reason. Headers for the email are included so as to verify validity of receipt of this email. Thanks,BlueSapphires 22:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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August 7, 2007

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Please consider this a release to use a picture of Amy Mihaljevic that was taken in 1989 for use in an article describing her disappearance and murder.

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Permission granted by copyright holder for Amy Mihaljevic picture - Please to reload?

The deletion review needs to end and the closing admin will restore the image if that is their decision based on the discussion. -Regards Nv8200p talk 01:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Image restored. However, please add something about the permission to the image page, or it might get deleted again for having improper license info. --Coredesat 06:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

• It still might get deleted. Please see the bottom of Image talk:Amyphoto.jpg. This image is not free, and as such must be used under terms of fair use, regardless of any release to Wikipedia. We do not accept "permission only" images on Wikipedia. I've tagged the image as being used under terms of fair use, and tagged it as missing a fair use rationale. Please see the image description page, and see WP:FURG. Thank you, --Durin 13:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Image problem

• There's no time limit for work to be done today. With the missing rationale, there's seven days to work on it. There's no immediate rush. Please see the talk page (bottom) for more information on the current problems. I really truly do appreciate you getting permissions for Wikipedia. It's great seeing a user take initiative like this. The problem is that "permission for Wikipedia" is utterly useless for us. We only accept media as either free or not free. There's no in between "permission to use" case. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know. All the best, --Durin 19:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm making the fair use tag and you can help by not making tags that say "delete without fair use" tag. Other help would include doing a "chat" with Videmus Omnia. Occupy him. BlueSapphires 19:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

• Nobody is attempting to anger you or interfere with your editing. You're obviously busy today. That's ok. It really is. You don't have to write the rationale this second, or even this day. Please, relax; we're all in this together. We're just trying to do it right. I'm happy to help if I can. --Durin 19:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I second everything that Durin is saying. I really appreciate the trouble that you've gone to. And there is no hurry. We can discuss the rationale, sourcing, etc., for seven days. In fact, if I were deleting images that had been in a category for deletion for seven days and I knew that people were still working on a problem in good faith, with a reasonable chance of solving it, I wouldn't delete the image. I hope we'll be able to keep it, and absolutely agree that GFDL licences for murdered little girls, allowing anyone to make derivatives works for any purpose, are not appropriate, and that contacting the family would be insensitive. I agree with Durin that the "permission only" is not a licence we accept on Wikipedia, but the work you've done in tracking down the source has been very useful in getting the image properly tagged (we did need a source), and the permission you've obtained at least means that there won't be any complaints. Best wishes. ElinorD (talk) 21:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I really apologize if I came off as pejorative, **esp** to VO (who I blamed for Durin's reversion), but I'm truly too busy to be doing this - and want to help, but frankly, if I dont do this now, I wont do it EVER. I am swamped with responsibilities, and I've spent too too much time that I didnt have already - so this goes now - or I'll not attend to it before it is deleted for lack of fair use criteria template. That's the way my life is right now. It isn't you, it's me. Please tolerate my need to get this done, and if I can help later, I'm happy to. Cheers, BS BlueSapphires 21:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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Your note

Haha. Thank you. My talk page stalkers are the best. Just look at Sluzzelin — he doesn't post very often, but his sharkbin image, in the context where he put it, broke me up. :-) This is a rather sparse talkpage you have! Nice to see you return after those long breaks. Bishonen | talk 10:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC).

And again...

Take my tps for granted?[2] Who, me? I love 'em to pieces! Did you notice you get a new tribute to your fine qualities every time you visit my page, with an invitation to keep purging the page until you're completely happy? A little compliment switch created for my very own nice talkpage stalkers. Third from the top at the moment, just below some other page candy (no fish). Bishonen | talk 15:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC).

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Very enthusiastic editing of an insignificant Wikipedia page that you seem to dislike

I’m very sorry your life is so harsh that you decided to attack a Wikipedia page made over a decade ago. I’ve asked an editor to delete it. Fun fact: the competitors at the Universiade and the Olympics in rhythmic gymnastics are mostly the same, but there’s less of us at the Universiade because one of the criteria is to also be enrolled in university. The winner in 2013 was Margarita Mamun, who also won the Olympics :) You go have yourself a nice day and don’t give up on your own dreams Ronicencen (talk) 12:38, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Ms Cencen, you created this Wikipedia page about yourself three years ago (not ten), and in so doing, you violated the Wikipedia rules of COI conflict of interest. The article does not pass the notability test for biographies of living persons. You have already been warned against making personal attacks: you've made personal attacks against three editors in the defense of your own page. You need to re-read Wikipedia rules, and to not make personal attacks against editors. Thank you. -- BlueSapphires (talk) 11:07, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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Okey dokey. Duly noted. Have a nice day. BlueSapphires (talk) 11:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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You've been here long enough to know that this is not optional. Every single comment on any discussion page must be signed with four tildes. I have added the missing sigs to your comments at Talk:Joe Biden sexual assault allegation. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

You are extremely aggressive. I ask you to stay away from me. BlueSapphires (talk) 13:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Minor edits

On September 2021 you were advised to stop marking edits as minor when they weren't and you agreed. Now you're doing it again for content that is anything but minor. It's deceptive and disruptive. There is really no serious need to ever mark an edit as minor. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Four points: (1) Sure, I'll stop marking my edits as minor. I didn't realize I was doing it, and (2) Nothing I wrote was destructive in the most-remote sense of the word, and (3) You need to get out more. Digging up criticisms of me from two years ago is the work of a person who .... needs to get-out more, and off the computer, leading me to the actual issue in-play here, which is that (4) You are retaliating against me for contradicting your "Russian spy allegations" against two women - one being a Russian woman who got convicted under the FARA Act (which is not about spies or spying, it's about registration. If she was a spy, the Espionage Act would have been the accusation) and Tara Reade, who filed asylum because there's a sealed indictment against her, and she was told there was an Interpol Red Notice about her. BlueSapphires (talk) 13:30, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

OK Valjean - I just read what you wrote to me above. I want you to stay away from me. This is a place for peaceful, productive collaboration. I don't like the way you've talked to me, it's inappropriate, aggressive and not the reason I'm here. GOODbye.BlueSapphires (talk) 13:35, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I am not Javert. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 06:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Right. Whatever. You are painting-yourself as the victim of police abuse, which is *ironic*, given your behavior and attitude. I just made a formal C&D on your talk page. Since you get-off on reading edit summaries, I left you a rich one. I wish you a better life. Kindly stay-out of mine. BlueSapphires (talk) 06:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand people who get-off on fighting on Wikipedia

I mean, "I get it", I've quarrelled on this site, and online elsewhere. But I really am not here for that, with the-above-person, and frankly, he can go find someone else to pick-fights-with or pick-on, or bully (!) BlueSapphires (talk) 13:41, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

July 2023

This is your only warning; if you purposefully and blatantly harass fellow Wikipedian(s) again, as you did at User talk:Valjean, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Acroterion (talk) 11:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I have looked around your interactions with Valjean to find what might have prompted this extreme personal attack. [3] I have yet to find anything other than a mild content disagreement, and some admonishment about the minor edit box. A simple "please leave me alone on my user talkpage" would have been ample response. Instead you wrote an extended personal attack. If you ever treat another editor like that again, I will remove your editing privileges. That is entirely unacceptable conduct in response to someone who has disagreed with you. Acroterion (talk) 12:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't read my Wikipedia page every day. I think that's a good thing.

This guy was excessive towards me, including "telling me off" for not signing one of my messages, and for clicking the "minor edit" button on publishing, which he claimed was comportment "destructive and damaging" or something similar. I can't be bothered to look it up, but it's there, if you want to spend 10 minutes of your life doing this on my behalf, you are welcome to to do.

He continued to make comments on my page after I told him to stop, so I left a note on his page. I don't see a problem. For the record, his issue with me was that I defended Tara Reid, as not being a Russian defector. Pursuant to his determination that he disliked my political position, this fellow dug-into my history to look for technical errors he could complain about. I think that's counterproductive behavior, and I asked him to leave me alone, he didn't, so I left a second message. I hope that's ok with you, otherwise perhaps we can go to Arbcom and have a community-level discussion about whether it's ok (or not) for me to tell someone to stay away from me.

In summary: Thank you for the 100-word reply (replies, plural) and the time-spent inspecting my interactions with this person I had hoped to have nothing-further to do with. (!). BlueSapphires (talk) 04:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and thank you for the warning. I will know better than to ask people to leave me alone, because I might be arbitrarily banned for it on grounds of harassment. Point taken. BlueSapphires (talk) 04:17, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act I love this - learned something new from your talk page. Ironcurtain2 (talk) 17:58, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

That make me happy.  :) BlueSapphires (talk) 17:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)