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The Signpost: 7 March 2011

Why did you remove American Antigravity from the articles AA and AAG?

Hi, I saw that you removed American Antigravity from both the articles AA and AAG. Okay that reference lists should not be in disambiguation pages, but the linked article definitely had information about the subject, in opposite to what you wrote as a motivation to revert my edits. Besides, you removed all of what I had written, not only the ref tag and the reference list. Why did you do that? --Ediug (talk) 23:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

American Antigravity is a redirect to Anti-gravity which did not make any mention that I could see of the subject as described by your entry on the disambiguation page. older ≠ wiser 02:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
If you don't like the redirect, you can just unlink the disambiguation but let it be on the page, or is there any specific reason why you keep removing this disambiguation? I would respect if you would remove only what is obviously wrong or irrelevant and leave the rest untouched. If you were looking for something that made a mention to the subject you can find it in the reference I originally added after the disambiguation. Thank you. --Ediug (talk) 16:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi again. Dawnseeker2000 just wrote on my talk page and explained why it shouldn't be there, so no need for explaining it to me now. --Ediug (talk) 16:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Earl Young (architect)

BK, did we miss anything? Happy Daylight Savings Time. Spring can't be far behind. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:35, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 March 2011

Maize is not always corn

"Tims said last year the chamber leased 5,000 acres, paying 35 cents an acre for Conservation Reserve Program grassland and corn stubble and 75 cents for maize stubble for the entire season.

This year, it is paying 25 cents an acre for corn and CRP and 50 cents an acre for the maize for the seven-day period. The hunters will pay $200 a gun."

http://amarillo.com/stories/103104/bus_hunt.shtml


"There are crops (corn, wheat, sunflowers, maize), and there are crops (cattle, hogs, chickens)."

http://amarillo.com/stories/122101/opi_areofthe.shtml


"Usually, the grain crops consisted of 'crook-neck maize' and corn."

http://amarillo.com/stories/083004/new_itsalltrew.shtml


"By the time she was 13, she had learned how to raise, pick and bole cotton, head maize and shuck corn and oats."

http://amarillo.com/obituaries/2011-01-25/obituaries-tuesday-january-25-2011


"It wasn't that the animal ate that much, but he would trample the corn, maize, cotton or whatever into the ground, causing a respectable financial loss to us."

http://amarillo.com/stories/070598/new_171-4769.001.shtml


"Born in 1921 on a cotton farm in central West Texas, I would not want to live through those cotton-chopping, maize-topping, cotton-picking years again."

http://amarillo.com/stories/123099/bel_race.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canstusdis (talk • contribs) 00:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


More Proof---
"Grain sorghum (also known as maize or milo) is down on planted acres this year."
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2010/jun/17/theres-no-place-to-go-with-bumper-wheat-crop/


“The 148 "hard scrabble" acres, were bought for $1600 and were grubbed by the boys to raise corn, wheat, sugar cane, maize, cotton, potatoes and a fruit orchard.”
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2007/mar/09/john-parker-cop-coppinger/


"Myrtle would head the maize, stock feed, hoe weeds and pick cotton."
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/nov/05/jones-county-centenarian-relishes-swedish-roots/


“Milo, or maize, planting will occur between April 1 and June 30, which overlaps some of the cotton-planting season of mid-May to June 20.
While more corn is being planted in other parts of Texas to meet the country's increasing ethanol demand, the crop requires too much irrigation to be viable in most parts of the area, Hall said.”
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/jan/27/ag-in-2007-more-roses-than-thorns/


“However, farmers across the Big Country and Concho Valley are predicting the ongoing low price for maize likely will force most farmers to plant more cotton acreage this year.”
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2010/apr/05/low-price-for-sorghum-forcing-most-farmers-to-to/ Canstusdis (talk) 03:39, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by plastering this on my talk page. If you want to justify calling "maize" a common name for sorghum, the place to establish that is in one of the articles on sorghum. older ≠ wiser 14:10, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
You're the only person that seems to have a problem with my edit. I offered some references with my initial edit and you promptly rejected them. It’s obvious that you (and Wikipedia for that matter) had no idea that some people in the U.S. use the noun ‘maize’ to represent grain sorghum. I on the other hand have understood maize or milo to mean sorghum my whole life.
I posted nothing here before asking you if you wanted to discuss it. After ignoring me I felt I had to do something. I figured the best place to discuss it would be on the talk page of the person that was disagreeing with me. I was trying to avoid an edit war.
The first edit above is proof that the Amarillo newspaper commonly refers to maize as something other than corn. The subsequent edit proves that the Abilene newspaper does the same; therefore this is not just a local colloquialism. However, I’m willing to concede that it might be a regional colloquialism. I’ll have to do some more research, but is seems that more than a few city newspapers in the Great Plains region use maize, milo, and sorghum interchangeably.
It would be nice to have some cooperation from you. You have not been helpful. I understand your initial reluctance was because of ignorance. Now that you've been shown that indeed, people (at least in the area of the world that I live in) use maize to mean grain sorghum, maybe we could reach a consensus. ---Canstusdis (talk) 03:41, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the location of the discussion, it is generally more appropriate for the discussion to take place on the talk page of the relevant page rather than a user talk page. I might have been the only one to notice the edit now, but there is far greater likelihood that other editors familiar with the subject might participate on Talk:Maize than on my talk page. As for the content, references are not appropriate on disambiguation pages, which essentially function as navigational signposts to content pages and should not introduce information that is not reflected in the pages to which they direct readers. Thus my suggestion that if you think maize is a common name for sorghum, the place to establish that assertion is on one of the sorghum articles -- not on the disambiguation page. As for cooperation, based on your citations, I have left the term on the disambiguation page, even though the usage is not cited (referenced) in the linked article. Whether it is local or regional usage, I have no idea, but the assertion that it is a "common" name would require some better sourcing. And by the way, your snide edit summary "Would you like to discuss it or do we continue like spoiled children?" was hard to take as a serious invitation to discuss -- it looked more like a rude dismissal of any actual interest in discussion. older ≠ wiser 11:46, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
If you feel the need to move this conversation to a more appropriate place, please do so; I don’t have a problem with it. Before my initial edit I thoroughly searched though wiki and other sources to find some reference to maize being a synonym for grain sorghum. Finding none, I justifiably felt that without references it would be contested, if not summarily deleted. I admit I didn’t know references were inappropriate on disambiguation pages. I understand your initial reluctance, however maybe you could at least admit you were a little quick to dismiss my edit, and your attempt to re-edit it to fit your understanding of the word while completely discarding my understanding was less than civil. At any point, a little charity on your part would have gone a long way. I certainly wouldn’t have found it necessary to ‘plaster’ your talk page in order to get you to see my point of view, although at this point it seems to me to have been the appropriate response given the fact that your current level of cooperation is based on the above citations.
And by the way, I apologize if you misinterpreted my meaning, but I believe you've misread the 'we' in my edit summary to mean only you. It was actually a failed attempt to dissuade the both of us. Again, I was trying to avert an edit war. ---Canstusdis (talk) 18:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 21 March 2011

New Vrindaban, West Virginia

New Vrindaban is the name of the TOWN in West Virginia, the name of the organization in New Vrindaban, West Virginia is ISKCON - NEW MATHURA VRINDABAN. ISKCON - NEW MATHURA VRINDABAN does not own the town of New Vrindaban although they own the majority of land, nor is ISKCON NMV the only organization in New Vrindaban. Here in Marshall County, West Virginia where New Vrindaban is located when one says "I am going to New Vrindaban" it is assumed you are going to the town. If you are going to something ISKCON related one says "I am going to the Krishnahs." Also not everyone who lives in the TOWN of New Vrindaban is of the Krishnah faith nor is everything there under the auspice of ISKCON. New Vrindaban has two bars and a cemetary! Last time I checked Krishnas cremated their dead and refrained from alcohol. New Vrindaban may have started out as an intentional religious community, but 42 years later the community has evolved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryan27 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Springfield (disambiguation.)

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MoS corrections on White Horse

Thanks for your corrections, MoS had obviously changed since the last time I looked ... a while back ;) However, I have a couple of points which I find you missed the intent of the MoS: 1) the "See also" section, frankly I would do away with Knight disambiguation completely, the "White knight" (chess) is already dealt with, and the Chinese paradox can 'legally' be in the other section, overall having a teensy last section decreases readability, 2 ) "TOC right" MoS states that for long lists, this isn't a long one, to have it on the right decreases readability. --Tallard (talk) 21:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

See also is a useful section as it is where things that are not exact matches for the title go. White knight (apart from the chess usage) is just the sort of near synonym that is appropriate for a see also. The Chinese paradox arguably doesn't belong on the disambiguation page at all, but as a possible sort of partial keyword sort of match, it also fits best under see also. As for TOC right, the page is actually quite long by disambiguation page standards. I guess I don't agree that either decreases readability at all. older ≠ wiser 02:27, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, if anything, I'd say a reader looking for "some paradox about some white horse" would indeed very much need this page, and it contains does the exact words so it does fit in "Other", conversely, I can't imagine any instance where a user looking for a "white knight" (other than in chess, which is already dealt with) would ever want to end up on a horse page??? Long is a relative term, I've seen tons of longer disambigs! But you seem determined, so I leave it with you.--Tallard (talk) 04:05, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Sunspot vs Sacramento Peak

Do you think you could have a look at Apache Point Observatory and National Solar Observatory and see if you can resolve the inconsistencies? (It's well outside my fields of expertise or interest.) The NSO article makes only a passing reference to Sunspot, and no mention of the APO facilities. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 04:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

It is not my area of expertise either, but the NSO article does also make passing mention of the APO facilities as well as Sunspot. older ≠ wiser 11:49, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I came here to talk about something else

but after I saw, "people generally are wiser as they get older." my mind careened out of control. Which is to say that I disagree. Respectfully. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:00, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 March 2011

The Signpost: 4 April 2011

Paradox

I created this page because of the piece of art paradox by Christian Verdun. He has a wikipedia page but no one has made the page for the art yet (my guess is because the image hasn't been uploaded). This artwork is on the first page of google results when searching just for the phrase "paradox" so that is pretty significant considering. I understand why you took it down and I won't add it again but I felt I would at least clarify. I mean by your reasoning shouldn't the comic be down as well since there is no sign that will have a page soon?

The Signpost: 11 April 2011

The Signpost: 18 April 2011

The Signpost: 25 April 2011

ARC

Oh well, nobody's perfect ... (Thanks!) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:31, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

That's the operating model behind wikis. Salut. older ≠ wiser 14:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Tanith Page

Can I ask on what basis you are removing references to the journalist and author Tanith Carey, despite the fact you are allowing numerous very slight allusions/use of the name in fiction to remain? There are numerous discussions, interviews with Tanith Carey on the web. My email is carolinegoodhart@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolinegoodhart (talk • contribs) 17:23, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

It does not meet the criteria for inclusion on a disambiguation page. Disambiguation pages are intended to help readers find existing articles in Wikipedia and are not a general directory of persons or things that might or might not be notable. If the author is in fact notable as you say, then create an article for her. older ≠ wiser 17:44, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
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