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Giddings Texas

Greetings, I noticed you recently edited elements to include the 'Notable people' section on the page for Giddings Texas. I have posted the following on the talk page of that article:

Please define how the following people are notable enough for an encylopedic entry. : Kurt Mitschke, Texas Cowboy David Porter (born ca. 1957), the Republican nominee for Texas Railroad Commissioner in the November 2, 2010, general election, is a CPA in Giddings.

How is being a CPA or nominee significantly notable? Also, how many cowboy's are from all areas of Texas? This single fact definitely needs to be expanded upon to be included otherwise such entries open way for an avalanche of inclusions for does the community not consider its police, state trooper, sheriff, fire fighter, ambulance and soldiers as notable? Kargin (talk) 18:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't inlcude the part about the cowboy. I did include David Porter, the Republican nominee for railroad commissioner. He defeated the incumbent Victor Carrillo in the March 2 primary. There is a separate article on Carrillo. Are you saying that he is notable only if he wins the Nov. 2 general election when he has already defeated an incumbent? Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

BH

I am not disputing that defeating an incumbent is a notable thing but in the annals of history where is the line drawn for a concise reflection of such notable persons? Is it based on the number of lives that will be affected with decisions he may help to make concerning the transportation around Texas? How about the sheer volume of lives that teachers affect in a much more intimate way every day for their lifetime as teachers? I guess the question I really am trying to have answered is what requirements must be met to truly be a 'notable' person in or from a community...Kargin (talk) 00:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Bruce Alger

Please stop removing the alt text from this article, or at least explain why you are doing it. Thank you. 96.52.5.187 (talk) 23:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

John Calvin Coolidge, Sr./Hugh Carter

I started an article about John Calvin Coolidge, Sr.. He swore his son Calvin Coolidge in as United States President in 1923. Coolidge is notable in his own right in that he served in both houses of the Vermont General Assembly. You may want to look at the article and the note I added to the talk page. Another article that should be done is that of Hugh Carter President Carter's first cousin; Hugh Carter succeeded Jimmy Carter and served in the Georgia State Senate. Maybe you might be interested in doing that article. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 10:44, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I started the Hugh Carter article-turn out okay. I worked on the Earl D. Eisenhower article-President Eisenhower's younger brother-he served in the Illinois House of Representatives for 2 years-you may want to take a look at that one-Is there a WP-State Legislatures? Hope you are well-Thank you-RFD (talk) 21:14, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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psst, secret

is an enduring study of Reconstruction in McGinty's native state?...I couldn't find that mentioned in reference 8. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 17:48, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

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DYK nomination for Captan Jack Wyly

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Dan Maes

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		to one of the nicest people in Wikipedia Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

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Photographing correctional facilities

Hey Billy! I notice you have traveled around rural Texas.

In addition to the Texas Soil Building, there are some other places that need to be photographed. There is a dearth of photos of correctional facilities (for adults and kids). Now, a few things: 1. Do not enter the grounds of the facilities 2. Do not linger around the grounds of the facilities - It may be best to just photograph the facilities from your vehicle 3. Only get a photograph of the sign stating the name of the facility (the photo can include building around the sign, and the the focus on the sign doesn't matter, but try to make sure the sign is visible in the picture), unless there are other noteworthy buildings within public view

Example: File:WynneUnitHuntsvilleTX.JPG Wynne Unit

Here are some places that need photos:

Adult facilities:

Beto Unit - Tennessee Colony - This Google Maps map shows where the "Beto" sign is located. The sign is along Farm to Market Road 3328.
Eastham Unit - Lovelady
Christina Crain Unit (Gatesville Unit) - Gatesville
Goree Unit - Huntsville
Holliday Unit - Huntsville
Hilltop Unit - Gatesville
- If visible from public view, try to get the Star of Stone and/or the Texas Building/Ferguson Hall, as they are historic/noteworthy places within the Hilltop Unit
Mountain View Unit - Gatesville (Female death row)
Polunsky Unit - West Livingston (Male death row) - This Bing map shows where the "Polunsky" sign is located. Situate yourself on the opposite side from the facility

Juvenile facilities: (Gatesville and Mountain View state schools were converted into adult facilities)

Crockett State School - Crockett
Gainesville State School - Gainesville
West Texas State School - Pyote (closed)
Ron Jackson - Brownsville

I did not list any facilities in the Houston area since I will try to photograph facilities in Brazoria, Harris, and Fort Bend Counties at some point.

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Right now, I have a photo of the Crystal City prison. I might be able to take the soil building picture in Temple on Thursday, Aug. 12, if you can give me the address and easy directions again. I plan to photograph in Tyler, Athens, and Corsicana on Thursday. Thanks. Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you very much :) - Please upload the Crystal City pic if you haven't already, and I thank you in advance for the Temple one.
- Near Corsicana is the Corsicana Residential Treatment Center at 2000 W. 2nd Avenue • Corsicana, TX 75110 - It is a Texas Youth Commission building
- The Soil and Water building in Temple is at 4311 South 31st Street, Suite 125, Temple TX 76502
- All places above will have street addresses posted. Once photos come online I will post short Spanish descriptions on the images on the Commons to assist Spanish-speaking people
- I am happy to give addresses for all places immediately. If you want the addresses now, please let me know. Or if you want to wait until you come to those areas, that is fine too. Please let me know if you plan to visit any rural areas in the future
- WhisperToMe (talk) 05:36, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Photo taken: Texas State Soil and Water Conservation Board, Temple, TX IMG_0679.JPG

Photo taken: Youth treatment facility, Corsicana, TX IMG_0648.JPG

There is no specific sign but the name of three counselors on the outside wall. I have a separate picture of the names of the counselors if you want that too. This picture is at the side of the building. The front of the building is occupied by a financial services company. Somehow, I am not sure that this is what you were expecting from this photo. Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you want me to upload the Crystal City Correctional facility (I have two photos, one with the name. It was impossible to get the name and a view of the facility in the same photo.) under Crystal City? Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, please upload them :) - Please upload the Crystal City and the counselor name photos. Thank you

Thank you for getting the Soil building!

BTW - Was this where you took the Youth treatment facility, Corsicana, TX IMG_0648.JPG image? - This is the result I got in Google Maps when I entered the address, and this is definately the TYC facility. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

WhisperToMe, there is no mention of TYC at the address in Corsicana.Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Third upload: Treatment counselors in Corsicana, TX IMG_0649.JPG Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- Hmm.. that is very surprising. Anyway, thank you very much for the photos! WhisperToMe (talk) 20:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Are you in Dalhart right now? The Dalhart Unit's front entrance sign is a possibility of photographing if you are still there. Anyway, thank you for photographing rural Texas! Many city-based Wikipedians don't travel a lot outside of the city, so more photo coverage goes to cities than to rural areas... WhisperToMe (talk) 16:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Click to read?

Hi, please see: Talk:Christian_cross#The_Gallery Thanks. History2007 (talk) 01:18, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for all the great pictures you donated - hope you enjoyed your road trip! Kuru (talk) 13:58, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind note, Kuru, but I have hundreds more awaiting to be downloaded, including Pueblo and Denver, CO, photos. The "bad" pictures are because of the diffusion of sunlight. I have notice too that brown buildings do not photograph as well as light-colored ones. And blue skies are much better than partly-clouded ones for photography.Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:14, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

SBC People

You may want to comment at Template talk:Southern Baptists#List of People. I saw you had modified the template recently. Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 17:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Pueblo article.

Nice bit of work on that one. Are you from there? If you have some good picture would you mind helping spruce this article up? Union Avenue Historic Commercial District is "my" little project I've been working on trying to get to good article or featured status. disclaimer, I do not own this article and am only donoting it as a personal goal 8-)

No, I have an aunt/uncle in Douglas County and pass through there ever six or seven years. It was so hot the day I took those pictures that I had to cut the stop short. Then I had car trouble in CO Springs. I don't have any more pictures. I hate it when someone "owns" an article. This is definitely done for Texas Tech University and Bryan, TX, among others. Thanks Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Thats a bummer. I live in Pueblo. I work tight by the riverwalk and within the district that articles about. Hope you come visit again! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 00:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Can you retake the picture of the Presbyterian Church; mine cut off too much of the steeple. It is hard to photograph.

Can you re-do City Hall; the shot we have is a little dark and crooked.

Can you find a lighter picture of the steel mill?

Also, the Wells Fargo picture is slightly crooked and would do better from a different angle.

What is the downtown eagle exhibit about? It think it is near the Vail Hotel.

I guess the Wells Fargo one is straight enough. The next time you pass through Walsenburg, there is a house you could photograph where Bob Ford lived for a time. He was the assassin of Jesse James. I have the address somewhere but forgot about that when I passed through the interstate. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks,

Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Flying W Ranch

Thank you, but there was no image. Please try again!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 11:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Pictures in Niagara Falls

Hi Billy,

I noticed you've taken some pictures of churches in Niagara Falls. Do you think it would be possible for you to take some pictures of Temple Beth Israel (Niagara Falls, New York)? Jayjg ^(talk) 18:16, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I was in Niagara Falls in late July 2009 for the second and probably last time in my life.Billy Hathorn (talk) 18:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

O.K. I saw you took a bunch of others there too, so I was hoping you were still near there. Those were nice pictures. Jayjg ^(talk) 18:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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Meat for Wild Men

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I thought everything by Charles M. Russell was usable. The photo is in the Amon Carter Museum in Fort Worth, TX. There really needs to be a new federal copyright law to clear up all these questionable regulations. Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, everything published before 1923. Russell's latest works are probably ok too, but more complicated. Your photo can still be seen here, and it is not "Meat for Wild Men". Do you know its title? /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:34, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I would have to look for my notes from my trip to the Amon Carter Museum. Perhaps my notes are unclear. Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Problem solved, see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:MVI 2803 Russell's Meat for Wild Men.jpg - these were Remingtons. Good photos. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 05:53, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

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While facts are not copyrightable, creative elements of presentation - including both structure and language - are. The less creative the expression, the looser copyright applies, but even so close paraphrasing becomes a great concern when there are long passages that include fragments of the original and the structure of the original is retained. The essay Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing contains some suggestions for rewriting that may help avoid these issues. The article Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches, while about plagiarism rather than copyright concerns, also contains some suggestions for reusing material from sources that may be helpful, beginning under "Avoiding plagiarism". VernoWhitney (talk) 12:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

It does not say that these two sites are copyrighted: http://biz.childresstexas.net/childressmuseum/ and http://biz.childresstexas.net/childressmuseum/index.asp?pageid=4,

And there is no infringement anyway, as the material has been rewritten, rearranged, and properly credited. Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:56, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Furthermore, it appears that the biz site is not listed as copyrighted anyway. Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Burton Ellis

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DYK for Deaf Smith County Historical Museum

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DYK for Fred S. LeBlanc

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DYK for Brian Birdwell

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DYK for Bolivar Edwards Kemp, Jr.

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DYK nomination for David J. Porter

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DYK for Bob Reese (Louisiana politician)

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DYK for David J. Porter

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DYK for Chris Clarke (missionary)

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DYK for David Sibley (Texas politician)

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DYK for Joe A. Guerra

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DYK for Byron Cook

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DYK nomination of George E. Hearn

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I rewrote this, but it is all factual information, which is not subject to copyright.Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:02, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Beth Courtney

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DYK for George E. Hearn

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DYK for Marilyn McAdams Sibley

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DYK for Irving J. Moore

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Happy Billy Hathorn's Day!

Billy Hathorn has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
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For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, click here. Have a Great Day...Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:05, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

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Sammy Kershaw billboard

Good job of obtaining and inserting that photo of the Sammy Kershaw billboard at Sammy Kershaw#2000s. Rammer (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind note.Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Steve Munisteri

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DYK for Fulham Davies

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DYK nomination of Robert Russ

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DYK nomination of Jack Cox (Texas)

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Please see my response on talk page. Yoninah (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Crane

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Crane. His degrees are in psychology, right? He was on the faculty of LSU back in the 1980s, in a tenured appointment, and simultaneously was working as a psychologist. Isn't that right? Doesn't being on the tenured faculty seem unusual for someone who lacked a doctorate? What were the real circumstances of his removal from the faculty position? Why does the article currently fail to mention his faculty role at LSU? Rammer (talk) 19:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I don't recall anything about Professor Crane, just Representative Crane. Faculty are sometimes allowed to "moonlight", and others are restricted from doing so. The administrators have their favorites. If you have the source, just add it to the article.Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Robert Russ

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DYK nomination of Robert L. Bobbitt

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