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September 2013

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Saraiki. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. While edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, breaking the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. SMS ^Talk 15:30, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

October 2013

Your recent editing history at Saraiki dialect shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. --regentspark (comment) 19:23, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No .I'm Just saving Saraiki language from conspiracy .I have right to stop conspiracy against Saraiki language and Saraiki Nation Thanks

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Bhural (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

why I'm blocked ? Some user are conspiracy against saraiki & they mixing Saraiki into punjabi .this is a big conspiracy against Saraiki language & Saraiki Nation.Saraiki ,Multani ,Riasti ,derawali jhangochi ,shahpuri ,lahnda are dialects of Saraiki .Please read this care Fully.these text are written from books {The language wich is now called saraiki has been given various Name in the past .western Linguists used name like " Belochki (Burton 1849) " Multani (O'Bren :1881) ,Uchi (Bomford:1895) Jataki (Jukes 1900) shahpuri ,hindi (wilson 1899) Lahnda,Siraiki,Multani,Shahpuri,Hindki (Grierson 1919) Lahndi (Smirnow 1975) and Siraiki (Shackle 1972,1976,2007) for it.Native speakers Had called it by the names of the areas wjere it was spoken . Richard Burton also wrote a grammar of what he called "Siraiki" (Burton 1849: 84-5). One such officer was Edward 0 Brien, who emphasized that Multani (Saraiki) was different from Lahori (Punjabi) (1882: 72). A missionary Andrew Jukes (1847-1931) agreeing with him, used the word 'Westrn Punjabi' for it (Shackle 1983: 22). This word also used by Trevor Bomford an other missionary and is important because it was used by George Grierson in his linguistic survey (Bomford 1895: Grierson : Vol 4 , 233- 332). Grierson choose the word 'Lahnda' western Punjabi for this language (Gankovski 1964: 110). The history of the region of Saraikistan goes back to Mahabharata (Rahman 2004: 11). When Al-Beruni the famous Indologist gives the list of countries or states of old India he discusses the Saraiki region as an independent state by the name Sauvira. Al-Beruni says, “the name of the countries in the South West (Nairrita): Kamboja, Sindhu, Sauvira that is Multan and Jahrawar,” (Al-Beruni 1030 translated by Edward C. Sachau in 1992: 300-302). The countries of Sindhu and Sauvira are mentioned in Mahbaharta and can be taken from Sindh province and lower (Saraiki) Punjab (Rahman 2004: 11). Ahmad Hassan Dani the famous Pakistani Historian explains Sauvira and asserts that present day Saraiki region is in fact Sauvira which was a state as discussed by Al-Beruni’s Kitab –Ul-Hind. In his own words he says: "If we accept this suggestion, it is not difficult to understand why the Sindhi language is confined to the lower Indus while Saraiki is now spoken in much the same area where Sauvira is located by Alberuni. With this understanding of the Saraiki-speaking area, we can now say that the very name Saraiki is probably a corruption of the original term Sauviraki (Dani 1981:36).However ,after 1970, it was finally decided that wor " Saraiki " should be used for this language. The existence of Saraiki Hndki in sind is easily ecplained .In the first place there is coming and going between Bahawalpur and the siro .in the second place there is a close historical Connnexion between the siro and the Punjab district of Dera Ghazi Khan ,where the most notable family is that of the mia Sahib Sarai (i.e of the siro ) a descendant of the kalhora kings of sindh .these were once the de facto rulers of nearly the whole of sind, as well as of the district of dera Ghazi khan.At the present time ,the head-quarters of the family in that district are at Hajipur in the Jampur Tahsil.In Dera Ghazi Khan the word " sirai " Has come to be a common appellation for native of sindh .As Saraiki Hindki is really language of immigrants into sindh and cannot be called the language of the siro ,it will not be necessary to give full specimens of it Page 360 ;Linguistic Survey of India 1901 ;Linguistic Survey Of India By Sir G .A Grierson ,K .C.I .E ,Ph.D,D.LITT,I.C.S (Retd.) Saraiki Hindki In sindhi word Siro Sinifies " The Upper country ', i.e .the up-river country ,and is specially applied to upper sindh,or that part of the province wich lies north of Sehwan on the Indus.From this is Derived that word sirai ,an inhabitant of the siro ,and saraiki ,The Langiage spoken in the siro .Dr.Trumpp,in page II of his sindhi grammar ,states that the northern dialect of sindhi is called Saraiki ,and adds that this is the purest form of the language .This is also the opinion of the inhabitants of the country ,who have a proverb that the learned man of the lar (or lower sindh ) is but an OX in the siro .From every district of sindh ,except thar and parkar,specimens have been received of a language locally known as siraiki .On examication it turns out that in every case this language is not sindhi at all but is a form of lahnda closely allied to the hindhki of dera Ghazi Khan .The discrepancy is accounted for by the fact that Dr.Trumpp and the local official have used the word " Saraiki " each in a different sense .All over the siro the main language is undoubtedly sindhi ,and ,as it was spoken in the siro ,Dr.Trumpp very properly called the sindhi of the siro "Saraiki ".It is described on pp.9 and 140ff.The Saraiki form of Lahnda is nowhere the language of any locality .It is the language of Various Tribes ,the members of which are scattered over the siro .The local officials called the main language of their district " sindhi " with out any Qualifying epithet ,and the other language ,spoken sporadically over the country ,they called Saraiki.As saraiki simply means 'of or belonging to the siro ,' I shall in future call the sindhi spoken insiro ( or Dr.Trumpp's Saraiki ) 'Saraiki sindhi ,' and the Hindki Lahnda spoken in the same tract ( the Saraiki of the local officials ) ' Saraiki Hindki ,' OR ' Saraiki Lahnda "' Linguistic Survey of India 1901 ;Page No.359;Linguistic Survey Of India By Sir G .A Grierson ,K .C.I .E ,Ph.D,D.LITT,I.C.S (Retd.)}

Decline reason:

You're blocked for edit warring, not the content of your edits. You'll need to address this rather than your content disagreements. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 14:51, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Bhural you are blocked for repeatedly edit warring, so you need to address that concern in your unblock request instead of the content dispute. You were repeatedly warned not to edit war and present your case at the talk page, but you didn't listen and continued the edit war. -- SMS ^Talk 14:01, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Permenent Block of this user requested on grounds of Sock puppeting

Bhural appears to me a nationalist. As per Wikipedia norms we only well come unbiased contributors to WP. Secondly Bhural is suspected Sock of blocked user Pakwaseb please check the contributions made by Pakwaseb and Bhutta1984 which is second suspected sock of Pakwaseb. In addition to these three accounts he is sock pupating with out logging in (Refer Saraiki dialect history for similer pattren of edits). Kelly0987 (talk) 16:58, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

unblock is my right

Please unblocked me . let we Saraikies Define Saraiki Language and Saraiki Nation on WP .WP administration behavior is to much cruel against Saraiki Language and Saraiki nation.Should we go in Canadian or American court against WP, that would be better for Saraikies?

Your legal threats aren't going to get you unblocked but this page can be locked. Though I am not an admin but the only way I see you can be unblocked is that you accept that your edits were disruptive and promise not to repeat that behavior again. Besides a commitment that you won't do any changes to language articles without first achieving consensus on the respective talk page. -- SMS ^Talk 19:05, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your WP is involved conspiracy against Saraiki Language and Saraiki Nation.WP is helping to Punjabi user against Saraiki language.We Saraiki have to right to Define about Saraiki language And Saraiki dialect .above i mention with prove of different researcher like Sir G .A Grierson ,K .C.I .E ,Ph.D,D.LITT,I.C.S (Retd.)these all researcher Said [[Multani||Multan District,Lahnda,Thali,Multani,Riasati,|Thaḷī|| Saraiki language,Shahpuriare dialect of Saraiki language .again I request unblock me let me Define about Saraiki language .I'm Saraiki ,I Can Define about my region called Saraiki waseb.WP administration team should focus one eye on all users .But here WP team Helping Punjabi user against Saraiki .this is conspiracy against us and also Against Saraiki region.Thanks

Unblock me

unblock me .let me edit and participate on WP

REPEATED WARNING

your threatening behaviour aren't going to get you unblocked but this page can be locked indefinitely. you are currently engaged in an edit war and possible sock pupating which can result in your being permanent blocked from editing— — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malignea (talk • contribs) 16:04, 12 October 2013 (UTC) [reply]

Let Me Define Who Are Saraikis & Who Speak Saraiki Langauge

I'm saraiki from Saraiki waseb punjab .Punjab has been occupied our Saraiki areas & Saraiki historical places from last 250 years ago .Rajeet singh was the last mother fucker who Robber in our land. Whos Mother fucker Told Saraikis are Baloch or Pathan,what a joke ? Let me Unblock first .Then I will define our land and language & who are Saraikies.Do not conspiracy against Saraiki language and Saraiki Nation on WP.Punjab has been occupied our Saraiki areas and saraiki historical places ,Rajeet singh was the mother fucker who attack on Multan in june/2/1818.Rajeet singh was just mother fuker roober who attack on multan .Please I'm requesting to WP administration team .let me free to talk with with punjabies.There is no language in pakistan name "Punjabi" .You should need to read history and theses on punjabi.Punjabi is not a language .I'm requesting again & again to WP administration team do not behave like you are helping punjabis ,and you are also involved with help to punjabi ,do not conspiracy against Saraiki language and Saraiki Nation, Please .

Your WP threatening Saraiki Nation

Please Stop such kind of behavior .you are the owner of WP ,But it does not mean You threaten Saraiki people & Saraiki language .Do not put fake history on WP about Saraiki.If You go in this way no body will trust on WP mind it .

To WP Administration Team

In WP some user are editing against Saraiki language .We the Sariki People want justice from WP.Please

stop them .Do not blocked Saraiki user .WP is a Free editing website but i saw only punjabi are holding WP .and Punjabi doing conspiracy against Saraikies & Saraiki language .Punjabi are terrorist stop them and also stop the conspiracy please.Move Saraiki dialect To Saraiki language .Thanks

STOP ABUSING

your abusing behaviour. Your statements are very rude.You must respect WP and not make false claims that There is no language in Pakistan named Punjabi or Punjabi is not a language. WP is not a forum for abusing like M..F.... and spreading hate speech.you aren't going to get you unblocked but this page can be permanent blocked from editing— Kelly0987 (talk) 03:37, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WHO AM TO CLAM PUNJABI IS NOT A LANGUAGE ?NO I'M NOT CLAMING THAT.DEAR SIR MANY RESEARCHER CLAM THAT PUNJABI IS NOT A LANGUAGE,& ONE OF THEM IS HAMFORD ,MAHIR ABULHAQ ,MIAN MUHAMMAD TUFAIL ,Sir G .A Grierson ,K .C.I .E ,Ph.D,D.LITT,I.C.S (Retd.) .THIS IS NOT ABUSE EVEN HATE SPEECH .ALLOW ME I CAN PUBLISHED RESEARCH WORK ON WP.LOOK (talk)RANJEET SINGH WAS A M***** F***** WHO ATTACK ON MULTAN .UNDERSTAND,

talk

User kelly 0987 you are not doing good with me.why you blocked me ? who are you why and why you did to blocked .Sir G .A Grierson ,K .C.I .E ,Ph.D,D.LITT,I.C.S (Retd.)made a note and he written in his note that Punjabi is not a language ok,he was researcher, understand now.This is not good to blocked .let me define who are punjabi & Saraiki .Saraiki are native people and punjabi are famous they are settler in the land of pakistan .

As a good human we must not spread hate speech about any community. WP is not for psycho nationalist sick peoples. You may join the politics to promote your Ethnic agenda. WP administrators had been kind to you for not permanent blocking you until now but I strongly recommend the permanent blocking of hate speech spreaders like you.Kelly0987 (talk) 05:29, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Appeal for unblock

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Bhural (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I edit right thing on Saraiki pages .some user are like Kelly0987 putting wrong information in Saraiki pages, they are promoting spreading conspircay against Innocent Saraiki people and Saraiki language.This is conspiracy against Saraikies & Saraiki language.let me unblock,I'm Saraiki, let me define who are Saraikies & where is Saraiki language spoken.Thanks

Decline reason:

Not addressing the reason for blocking. Also, I would advise you that it is you who are acting against the interests of your people by behaving in this way. Take some time out to understand Wikipedia and its rules and see if you can put a better request together. Bear in mind that continuing to post arguments based on the content will sooner or later lead to your access to this page being blocked too. Peridon (talk) 11:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Hi, i dont see any reason that this user not be blocked indefinitely because apparently he is bad faith editor, abusive, hate speech-er, biased nationalist and threatening. Allowing such aggressive user will cause unnecessary disruption to WP Language project. In my opinion we must discourage such users by permanent blocking and consistent attitude of no relaxation for abusing on WP. At the sudden he has started blaming me for nothing because so many other users kept on guiding him including my self. Please refer all above. Kelly0987 (talk) 09:09, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Appeal for Unblock

{{unblock reviewed | 1=On Saraiki pages of WP there are to much conspiracy against Saraiki language & dialects of Saraiki language .Let me unblock to write right documents on WP,We should try edit on WP meaning full not conspiracy against any one.Move Saraiki dialect to Saraiki language and secure it from terrorist .Saraiki ,Multani ,Riasti ,derawali jhangochi ,shahpuri ,lahnda are dialects of Saraiki .Please read this care Fully.these text are written from books {The language wich is now called saraiki has been given various Name in the past .western Linguists used name like " Belochki (Burton 1849) " Multani (O'Bren :1881) ,Uchi (Bomford:1895) Jataki (Jukes 1900) shahpuri ,hindi (wilson 1899) Lahnda,Siraiki,Multani,Shahpuri,Hindki (Grierson 1919) Lahndi (Smirnow 1975) and Siraiki (Shackle 1972,1976,2007) for it.Native speakers Had called it by the names of the areas wjere it was spoken . Richard Burton also wrote a grammar of what he called "Siraiki" (Burton 1849: 84-5). One such officer was Edward 0 Brien, who emphasized that Multani (Saraiki) was different from Lahori (Punjabi) (1882: 72). A missionary Andrew Jukes (1847-1931) agreeing with him, used the word 'Westrn Punjabi' for it (Shackle 1983: 22). This word also used by Trevor Bomford an other missionary and is important because it was used by George Grierson in his linguistic survey (Bomford 1895: Grierson : Vol 4 , 233- 332). Grierson choose the word 'Lahnda' western Punjabi for this language (Gankovski 1964: 110). The history of the region of Saraikistan goes back to Mahabharata (Rahman 2004: 11). When Al-Beruni the famous Indologist gives the list of countries or states of old India he discusses the Saraiki region as an independent state by the name Sauvira. Al-Beruni says, “the name of the countries in the South West (Nairrita): Kamboja, Sindhu, Sauvira that is Multan and Jahrawar,” (Al-Beruni 1030 translated by Edward C. Sachau in 1992: 300-302). The countries of Sindhu and Sauvira are mentioned in Mahbaharta and can be taken from Sindh province and lower (Saraiki) Punjab (Rahman 2004: 11). Ahmad Hassan Dani the famous Pakistani Historian explains Sauvira and asserts that present day Saraiki region is in fact Sauvira which was a state as discussed by Al-Beruni’s Kitab –Ul-Hind. In his own words he says: "If we accept this suggestion, it is not difficult to understand why the Sindhi language is confined to the lower Indus while Saraiki is now spoken in much the same area where Sauvira is located by Alberuni. With this understanding of the Saraiki-speaking area, we can now say that the very name Saraiki is probably a corruption of the original term Sauviraki (Dani 1981:36).However ,after 1970, it was finally decided that wor " Saraiki " should be used for this language. The existence of Saraiki Hndki in sind is easily ecplained .In the first place there is coming and going between Bahawalpur and the siro .in the second place there is a close historical Connnexion between the siro and the Punjab district of Dera Ghazi Khan ,where the most notable family is that of the mia Sahib Sarai (i.e of the siro ) a descendant of the kalhora kings of sindh .these were once the de facto rulers of nearly the whole of sind, as well as of the district of dera Ghazi khan.At the present time ,the head-quarters of the family in that district are at Hajipur in the Jampur Tahsil.In Dera Ghazi Khan the word " sirai " Has come to be a common appellation for native of sindh .As Saraiki Hindki is really language of immigrants into sindh and cannot be called the language of the siro ,it will not be necessary to give full specimens of it Page 360 ;Linguistic Survey of India 1901 ;Linguistic Survey Of India By Sir G .A Grierson ,K .C.I .E ,Ph.D,D.LITT,I.C.S (Retd.) Saraiki Hindki In sindhi word Siro Sinifies " The Upper country ', i.e .the up-river country ,and is specially applied to upper sindh,or that part of the province wich lies north of Sehwan on the Indus.From this is Derived that word sirai ,an inhabitant of the siro ,and saraiki ,The Langiage spoken in the siro .Dr.Trumpp,in page II of his sindhi grammar ,states that the northern dialect of sindhi is called Saraiki ,and adds that this is the purest form of the language .This is also the opinion of the inhabitants of the country ,who have a proverb that the learned man of the lar (or lower sindh ) is but an OX in the siro .From every district of sindh ,except thar and parkar,specimens have been received of a language locally known as siraiki .On examication it turns out that in every case this language is not sindhi at all but is a form of lahnda closely allied to the hindhki of dera Ghazi Khan .The discrepancy is accounted for by the fact that Dr.Trumpp and the local official have used the word " Saraiki " each in a different sense .All over the siro the main language is undoubtedly sindhi ,and ,as it was spoken in the siro ,Dr.Trumpp very properly called the sindhi of the siro "Saraiki ".It is described on pp.9 and 140ff.The Saraiki form of Lahnda is nowhere the language of any locality .It is the language of Various Tribes ,the members of which are scattered over the siro .The local officials called the main language of their district " sindhi " with out any Qualifying epithet ,and the other language ,spoken sporadically over the country ,they called Saraiki.As saraiki simply means 'of or belonging to the siro ,' I shall in future call the sindhi spoken insiro ( or Dr.Trumpp's Saraiki ) 'Saraiki sindhi ,' and the Hindki Lahnda spoken in the same tract ( the Saraiki of the local officials ) ' Saraiki Hindki ,' OR ' Saraiki Lahnda "' Linguistic Survey of India 1901 ;Page No.359;Linguistic Survey Of India By Sir G .A Grierson ,K .C.I .E ,Ph.D,D.LITT,I.C.S (Retd.)}. |

Move Saraiki Dialect into Saraiki Language

dear admins Saraiki is language. see http://globalrecordings.net/en/language/20019 Request to administration team of WP please move Saraiki dialect into Saraiki language .