User talk:Just Step Sideways/Archive 21

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Review Recommend phase

When did you want to move into that? Steven Walling at work 18:35, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Not sure yet. As you can see from the talk page, I'm having a bit of difficulty getting answers to pertinent questions, we keep getting derailed by some rather odd objections. My thought was maybe in about a week, and then we keep it open for a month or so in oder to get the broadest possible sample. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:04, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry too much about answering every objection. It's good for people to voice their opinions about it, but it doesn't mean you should stall the process moving forward. It went the same with the reworking of the RFC into specific questions. If you would like some help promoting the final phase of comment, let me know. Steven Walling at work 19:44, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Good advice, it seems clear it is only a tiny minority that object to the current phase since dozens of users have participated without objection. I would like to make as big of a deal as possible about phase three since I think it will be the phase most likely to give us an indication of what to do next. I'll let you know as soon as we have the timing worked out. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

AfD fracas

Beeblebrox:

Thank you for the very constructive suggestion in the AfD debate regarding Argentine people of European descent. It's the only way forward from here, because this new article can't be there without the previous one's edit history. Let me assure you I made no such move (nor did I think it was quite ready to be moved when it happened),

Please go ahead and delete it, as you suggested, and I'll move the revised edition in its place. The revisions Pablozeta and I worked on are thoroughly referenced, with no one having the color of his skin assigned to him/her, and with nothing but the history of how these people got there, from where, in what numbers, and with what other influences, including an overview of some of the changes and contributions to the nation's culture. The compilation of Argentina's communities is complete but for one entry, and this would be it.

Let me know if there's anything you feel needs attention.

My Regards, Sherlock4000 (talk) 21:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Looks like this moved ahead without me, my watchlist is lit up with related page moves and deletions. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:07, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Alaska Airports

Hi Beeblebrox, since it seems you have expressed a small interest in Alaska Airports -- I hope you don't mind if I ask for your help. Since the merger of Frontier Flying Service, Era Aviation, and Hageland Aviation Services becoming Era Alaska, Alaska Airports are VERY outdated. Here is what needs to be done:

Updating the Era Alaska destination list to reflect all cities listed here.
Updating every airport in that list and making sure that if they have Frontier Flying Service, Era Aviation, or Hageland Aviation, or a combination, it is replaced with Era Alaska to show for the merger.
Many of the Airports in Era Alaska's destination list are not in the proper table format, that all needs to be fixed.
All of Era Alaska's routes need to be updated using current schedules found here. Many are very outdated, still displaying information from before the airlines merged.

It's a lot of work, and I cannot do it on my own. I would love any extra help I could get. If you have any questions on anything I mentioned, or are in a state of utter confusion, just ask me. All the best, Tofutwitch11 ^(TALK) 01:16, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I might be able to pitch in in a while. At the moment babysitting the pending changes RFC is taking a lot of my wiki-time. I may feel more energetic about it next week after we enter phase 3. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:55, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Closing the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Webcams_(Website) and Deleted the Webcams_(Website) article

The Webcams_Website article was deleted and its AFD discussion terminated. Usually AFDs are closed when a consensus is reached, I understand, but shouldn't there be a voting process instead of using various weak arguments to reach this sort of radical decision? For instance, the initial cause which started the Webcams_(Website) article AFD was: Non notable website, most of the various references are for the facts throughout the article and not actually related to the subject ^Talk 16:24, 7 March 2011 (UTC).

In the AFD there is no sign whatsoever about the arguments discussed – Keep - this article, only those against it. Not to mention that personal opinions were used regarding various subjects/authorities or awards: XBIZ is a component of a public relationa/promotion business; its awards are not subject-independent Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 16:00, 8 March 2011 (UTC) ; hundreds of thousands of porn websitesBeeblebrox (talk) 19:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC). I can't see impartiality being used in deciding to delete the Webcams_(Website) article, or any strong, irrefutable arguments above all else.

Personal opinions (There are literally hundreds of thousands of porn websites out there, very, very few of them can be considered notable.), such as the erroneous labeling of Webcams.com as any other porn site have nothing to do with the AFD's motivation. On what grounds is this theory based? I consider this to be a really superficial argument which only points out the nature of the decision to delete the Webcams_(Website) article. Not to mention that I feel a light discriminating tone is being used when discussing this article, solely because it is part of the adult niche.

Here's Beeblebrox discussing in another AFD (Closing the Black Golden Globe winners AFD): I read every word of every AFD I close. If it's not overly obvious from that, I go back through and re-read it, usually focusing on debated statements to see if they are effectively refuted or not Beeblebrox. I believe you have not treated Webcams_(Website) AFD as serious as you yourself claim to usually do.

In 2009 at XBIZ Webcams.com was one of the ten nominees in the Live Video Chat of the Year category, which happens to be totally relevant regarding the profile of the website and its importance in this adult videochat niche. Here comes Jac16888 with:1 of 20 nominees... Jac16888 ^Talk 00:40, 8 March 2011 (UTC). This proves the low level of attention paid when reading and evaluating the article and its sources/references. Objectivity clearly missing once again.
The RabbitReviews.com reference was completely omitted during this shallow evaluation as well. Not only that I find the deletion of the Webcams_Website unfair, but I also consider this decision was taken expeditiously and frivolously. And here's another example: And that is a truly spectacular WP:RS failure (as are most online posts bylined "Mephistopheles. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:41, 9 March 2011 (UTC).

I strongly believe you should take a second look at the debate page after examining the issues discussed here. I consider that the page should be undeleted, so that we don't have to reach deletion review. Makeet (talk) 16:47, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

My closing statement is a reflection of the fact that the consensus at this AFD, as I saw it, was that the sources used were of poor quality and did not demonstrate sufficient notability for the subject. If you think this [1] is the sort of thing we should be using to research our articles I'm afraid you have grossly misunderstood what Wikipedia does and does not consider a reliable source. Internet porn reviewing sites are not professional journalistic entities with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. Many of the other sources were used to verify information in the article but did not actually mention the subject of the article and are therefore not relevant as far as notability is concerned. Therefore I do not see any compelling reason to overturn this deletion.

Again, like it's predecessors you are in an enormous confusion.

First. fact that the consensus at this AFD, as I saw it, was that the sources used were of poor quality and did not demonstrate sufficient notability for the subject. Not was any consensus on AFD page, and nobody do not want to analyze all my sources and to look at my entire article, to read my explanation where I describe the structure of my Webcams_(Website) article.

If you think this [11] is the sort of thing we should be using to research our articles I'm afraid you have grossly misunderstood what Wikipedia does and does not consider a reliable source That article are only a part, from a section of my article, and again you don't want to look at entire project, it's only a one part of an entire.

You told me i'm in a misunderstood? But you, who come like a judge of a Inquisition and take a decision only from a point of view, more than that, you consider consensus some personal opinions, you...YOU in what king of misunderstood you are? Why don't delete the XBIZ_Award article, why don't delete the RabbitsReviews? All my sources used in my article are structured by sections, every section with his own sources.
At the final, I ask you again to take a look at Webcams_(Website) and to undelete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makeet (talk • contribs) 21:36, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

You're not making a lot of sense right now, and you are making some rather unpleasant accusations. The answer is still no as you have not presented any cogent reason to overturn the decision. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:39, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Haven't looked at the XBIZ page yet, but you are right that the Rabbit Reviews page suffers from the same problem. I have therefore nominated it for deletion. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:50, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Makeet: In order for a topic to be notable, it has to be covered by third-party reliable sources and the coverage has to be in-depth. Now, I'm not sure what qualifies as reliable for this topic space, but WP:WikiProject Pornography keeps a list of sources and explains which ones are reliable, which ones aren't and in which situations. This will help you get started. I'm an inclusionist, so if there's anyway I can help, please let me know. You can ask questions at my talk page. If you have questions regarding which sites are reliable, you can ask at the aforementioned WikiProject or at the Reliable sources noticeboard. However, if you post any links to porn sites to my talk page or at the Reliable sources noticeboard, please do everyone the courtesy of including a "NSFW" warning in your post. Good luck!

Beeblebrox: I sassed that that you were a hoopy frood? Deleting our porn articles? If you it again, I shall read you Vogon poetry. See if I don't! :) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:20, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Aw, Belguim man. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:56, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Early close

It was my intention to comment under yours but the RfA had closed. I can not see how, "placing the request", compelled you to such a strong conclusion. There are remnants of concern which fester, where none were necessary. Personally, I would check your candor, against your own POV, and reconcile differences which bring you to state such a thing. My76Strat (talk) 19:13, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I can't parse any meaning out of "check your candor, against your own POV" or "there are remnants of concern which fester, where none were necessary." From what I can gather from your remarks you believe I over reacted by characterizing the request not to be subject to a snow close as arrogant. RFA is by definition a bit of an exception to WP:NPA in that we are in fact commenting on an editor and our impression of them as opposed to article content, policy, etc. I perceived the request as arrogant, given that this was their fourth RFA they shouldn't have even run if there was any chance of it becoming a snow close. That's how I feel about it. Would you have me lie? What good would that do Dusti? Doesn't he, and every RFA candidate, deserve our honest criticism? Beeblebrox (talk) 19:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Hoax query

Hiya,

Regarding that recent hoax, which I won't name and draw any attention to - do you think any further action might be necessary...if you know what I mean? I emailed OS about it...I was slightly concerned. Sorry to be cryptic, but I think you'll know what I mean - and I use your talk for probably fastest way to mention it. You can email me, or whatever (especially if you haven't the faintest idea what I am blathering about). Cheers, Chzz ► 01:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I actually deleted as a result of another OS report on it. What I was able to glean from a translation of the original text was pretty silly actually, so I didn't feel OS was needed. I'm watching it though. I don't see your message in the OTRS queue so I'm assuming someone else has already replied to it. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:54, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

*shrug* - [Ticket#2011031610021822] Zoetermeermoord (POSSIBLY URGENT)‏ - only response was you. Chzz ► 04:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, that was you. Sorry, after a while they all look the same, and it was already out of my queue when I wrote that reply. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

No worries. As long as it has been handled, that's fine. Thanks, Chzz ► 19:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

re: Phase three

Responded on my talk. Steven Walling at work 20:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

feeling the love

....quiet there...Perhaps it doesn't need closing, it is a very complicated discussion and issues are being raised and acted on and refined as we can and let it develop naturally as it flows without specific closure, as in. - address and tweak the issues raised like, the what is a reviewers responsibility and what it a reviewer actually supposed to do - and what is a reviewers legal responsibility, and what is the ongoing scope of the tool, clarify those issues and then after third phase feedback then format a final keep or reject with the updated guidelines and scope. The final keep or reject will need closure but will be a simple consensus closure that anyone experienced and uninvolved will be able or willing to close. Off2riorob (talk) 21:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Pending changes RfC

Please see my reply at User talk:Kaldari#PC RFC questions. Kaldari (talk) 22:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Replied. Kaldari (talk) 00:14, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Please see my further response at User talk:Kaldari#PC RFC questions. Thanks. Kaldari (talk) 01:13, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Replied. Kaldari (talk) 17:51, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Replied. Kaldari (talk) 20:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI

As a courtesy, I wanted to let you know that I had mentioned you here.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI

As a courtesy, I wanted to mention that I quoted you in an AN/I here.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of French flush-cut saw

The article French flush-cut saw has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Poorly referenced stub article about a tool that does not pass WP:VERIFY.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Onthegogo (talk) 14:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Aw man, that was my first ever article! Beeblebrox (talk) 15:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Review of RFA review

I'll see if I can whip up some phase 2 eye candy. In the meantime, I'd appreciate your response on this, seeing that it's what you modeled the phase 3 process on. You might also be interested in commenting on this in the interest of moving Chzz's proposal forward. Thanks. —UncleDouggie (talk) 04:55, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

(replied at those pages Beeblebrox (talk) 05:31, 23 March 2011 (UTC))

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Task force

Pursuing the task force idea ... would you be interested in participating, and if so, would it be possible for you to round up some people who share your views and keep in touch with them as the task force makes recommendations? - Dank (push to talk) 13:26, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

request for copy of deleted article

Beeblebrox -

Yesterday, I created a stub of an article on Skyline (musical group). It was speedily deleted. I would appreciate it if you could email me a copy of the article (mailto:paulmlieberman@alum.mit.edu) (or usify it, though I've never worked with a usified article). I think this group has an important place in the history of newgrass, and establishes connections among several important musicians. I'll work on making the article worth having in Wikipedia before I reinsert it.

Bloody Viking (talk) 13:50, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it has not been deleted. It was nominated but the nomination was actually declined. I've just undone the redirect and added a source, but it will probably need more if it is to be kept in the long term. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:56, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

RfA

HiBbeeb. You might be interested in this. If you think it's crap, don't hesitate to say so on its talk page. There are also some links to some others. --Kudpung (talk) 13:06, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Heya :o) You seem like an intelligent, resourceful and insightful kind of person. At the minute we seem to have quite a few self-nominated little working parties, many of whom are focussing on different aspects of the whole RfA and Adminship process-wossname, and each of which seems to be working relatively well within their own group.

This being the case, and bearing in mind that quite a few people obviously feel that the RfA/Admin thing needs a really thorough overhaul, it seems to me to be an intelligent thing to do for someone (I'm suggesting you!) to keep an eye on what every group is doing, with a view to putting the whole lot together, at the end, and integrating all the good ideas into a really good total-overhaul package. This would enable each group to stay focussed on its own chosen aspect, which would very probably be more productive, but still be working in a 'kinda-together' way for the greater good of the whole thing. What do you think? Pesky (talk) 07:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if I could take on organizing such a thing right at the moment. We are approaching a critical moment at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Request for Comment February 2011 right now that is taking up most of the time and patience I have for trying to run a complicated policy discussion. However this seems like something that would fall under the umbrella of the semi-dormant Administrator project. Maybe it could be used as a central location for this sort of thing. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:13, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi

An administrator blocked a user, and the block has already expired. However, the administrator thinks now this block should be eliminated from the user's block log.

Does the administaror have any technical legal way to eliminiate the block from the user's block log?
Can an oversighter do that instead of the administrator?

Thank you in advance. Eliko (talk) 21:59, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Redacting a log entry is only done is certain very specific circumstances. It is explicitly not allowed to be used to remove the record of a poorly considered action. The more usual approach is to block the user again for only one minute, and note the retraction or refutation of the previous block in the log at that time. This makes it clear that the block was an error while maintaining transparency. Unless there is also a privacy issue involved as well this is what should probably happen in this case. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

By "certain very specific circumstances" - do you mean: circumstances involving "a privacy issue"? i.e. Are there other such circumstances?
How about the option of striking out the "block" in the block log?
Does WP have articles dealing with such issues?

Eliko (talk) 23:08, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

The relevant policy section is Wikipedia:Revision deletion#Log redaction. Basically there has to be something extremely improper in the log entry. I don't believe there is any technical means of striking out a log entry, which is why brief re-blocks are usually used to correct the log. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:17, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the link and for the clarification.
Re a "strike-out": from a technical point of view, striking out an enrty in a history page - is possible, isn't it? So, from a technical point of view (rather than from a legal point of view), why is there any difference - between striking out an enrty in a history page - and striking out an enrty in other revision logs?
In my opinion, a re-block - is a very clumsy/strange way for stating something about previous blocks.
I understand why eliminating an entry from a block log - is usually forbidden: WP must maintain transparency, and the community must review all block log - fully, including improper blocks. However, this only explains why admins are not allowed to eliminate (nor to strike out) a block entry - added to the block log by another admin, but I can't figure out why this "other admin themself" who has added the block entry to the block log - is not allowed to eliminate (or strike out) this entry - nor can they ask a oversighter to do that, when this admin themself (who has added the block entry to the block log) thinks - that the elimination (or the strike-out) is justified - and that leaving the block entry in the user's block log may unjustifiably harm the user's record.

Eliko (talk) 18:58, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Since this other admin you speak of is apparently unaware of some important policies and in need of some guidance, I think we should drop the hypothetical pretext of this conversation and you should tell me who they are so I can assist them directly. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Spartacus

Hi Beeblebrox, I've added a comment to your comment on Talk:Spartacus: Blood and Sand. Basically, can you cite the relevant sections of WP:SYNTH and WP:OR that support your claim? As far as I understand - and I could be wrong - merely observing differences between what 2 sources (the show, historical) relate, without passing judgement on which of those sources is 'best' - counts as neither OR nor synthesis. All the best. Catiline63 (talk) 01:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

(replied at article talk page. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:34, 27 March 2011 (UTC))

RfA task force

The budding task force is here. When there are a few more names on the list I'll move the page to project space.--Kudpung (talk) 04:17, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Reply

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New User

Hi, this template was removed without an edit summary or talk page note by a new user. Can i replace the template? Pass a Method talk 21:00, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. With the exception of the WP:BLPPROD, a WP:PROD template may be removed from an article at any time by any user and cannot be re-added once removed. Articles for deletion is still a viable option but ti might be a better idea to discuss this on the article's talk page first. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Assitance Needed

Hi, you helped me once before by challenging content and I benefited from double referencing the subject material. Could you help me with the article Micheal Fitzgerald. I have worked hard to add references and validate 3rd party sources. It is part of an initiative I am involved which is to improve the motorsport articles on Wikipedia. The article is within the scope of WP:MOTOR, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Motorsport on Wikipedia.However particular users seem to be continually adding mischief citation requests and the like when articles of a similar nature and content have few if the bare minimum of references to begin with. Every time I further add references, further citation requests are added. I never imagined this article would take up so much of my time. I need to start working on other articles and contributions. I need help to understand if there is a mischief campaign. Thanks in advance. Hunterscarlett (talk) 02:07, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Oranje

Hi, someone is fucking up the Dutch football squad page. Last good edit was http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netherlands_national_football_team&oldid=421809548. Please revert to that version, I didn't succeed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.194.229.184 (talk • contribs)

That's not really how we do things around here. If you find your edits being reverted and you feel the reversion is incorrect you should discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:28, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Broadway

There is a band named Broadway from Florida. Personally I enjoy the band (not to mention listening to them right now as I write this) and while I would like nothing more at this moment in time to have a Wikipedia article for the group, I'm unsure if it still fails Wikipedia's instance on notability. Numerous attempts have been made for the article to be created by several different users (even the band's own record label) to the point where the slot Broadway (band) has been officially salted for almost two years now. However, at this moment in time I have found the article become created once more in this location Broadway (Band) (take notice of the "Band" capitalized to get around the lockdown). Now that the explanation is down, I can get down to business on asking this of you. Would it maybe be considered notable enough to have its own article at this point? If so, then unsalting the "Broadway (band)" slot and moving the page to that title would be in order otherwise, delete the page right now on sight. -- GunMetal Angel 19:11, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Since there is an AFD already underway the community will decide if it is notable enough for an article. If the decision is to keep it a move to the proper title would certainly be appropriate. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I responded to your post on my talk page.

I apologize for the incomplete explanation. I added more details to the explanation. Kruger1191 (talk) 03:01, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Wow, This Got Ugly Fast

After you agreed with me, Kingpin literally bowled me over. I'm keeping quiet, just thought you'd be interested. CycloneGU (talk) 22:45, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, I chose to add myself to the mediation. If you feel my reasons are unsound, please go ahead and remove me from the list, I just want to participate myself as I have been more involved than you give me credit for (in October particularly). I also chuckled slightly at the comment on the list page: "Comment: Yes, the Mediation Cabal is mediating an entire site-controversial RFC, for the very first time in its history." =) CycloneGU (talk) 22:45, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Please do participate. Anyone who is actually interested in moving forward can only be a help. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:52, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm already very active in the mediation process. =) CycloneGU (talk) 22:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

May wanna chime in here. CycloneGU (talk) 23:17, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

PCRFC

Hey, I'm sorry you're feeling frustrated. I know it's been a long, tough process for everyone. I'm going to try and make sure the current phase gets closed this week, and then we can try to move forward. Until that happens, why don't you take a break and edit something fun for a change? ;-) I'll try and do my part to get the data I promised, and dive in to look at the options for a final stage again. Steven Walling at work 06:37, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

It was actually my plan to stop active participation two weeks ago when I attempted to get the questionnaire up and running. I figured it would be good if I wasn't trying to be at the helm of this thing the whole time. I tried to just steer things in a forward direction but the more bold I was the more accusations were made about my actions, and this really isn't supposed to be about me. I only hung on these last two weeks because there was no agreement on what to do next, but now everything I do is being hyper-criticized and characterized extremely negatively. So, I'm thinking my continued presence is not helping and I'm hoping someone else who is interested in advancing this process to the next step will step in and find a way to do so. When to walk away from a situation is a difficult skill to master, just ask my ex-wife. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Here

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Have a cup of tea with that. Sit and relax for a few minutes. Then come back and read what I have to say. Unless you disappeared for the nite after the message at 6:10 (UTC), stop reading and come back after taking a moment.

All right, feeling better? I just want to comment on what happened in the last hour as I type. I noticed you request the mediation withdrawn. I noticed some negative attitude, which could easily be taken not only as exasperation but as attempts of bad faith. I know you didn't mean them that way, but I could pick up on the bad faith quite easily. As another conscientious editor who merely wants the best out of the proceedings, I can understand why you went flying up the wall with steam coming from every possible crevice of your body (I'm trying to be humorous here, laugh please). However, I think the best thing for you to do is stop trying to direct proceedings. I am getting the vibe that some people are not happy because you seem to start a lot of the different discussions about PC in various places, and they think it's not productive to do that. I respect their opinion, as I do any editor who provides conscientious reasons for their opinion. What I have a hard time respecting is someone just giving up.

I'm going to suggest take a break from the PC debate for a day or two. Let Phase 3 close. Then we'll figure out what to do next. I'm going to check out the talk page and see what's going on, what people seem to think we need to do next. I've made my suggestion to Chzz again about writing everything again, this time with community input based on the last trial. I'm even volunteering to spearhead that effort as I think I can keep a clear head regarding it. Maybe we can actually do something productive here rather than just repeat viewpoints back and forth over and over. That gets nothing done.

Take a Wikibreak if you need to. We'll still be here when you return. I hope I can make you feel better with this message. =) CycloneGU (talk) 06:44, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey. I edit conflicted with you while writing my reply to Steven up above but it could serve just as well for a reply to this. I'm fine, not going anywhere, just not participating in this process any further. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:51, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, I beg to differ. Still offer your opinion, just don't run the show. It'll be less of an exasperation for you, then you can ask other people why progress is so slow. =) I'm saying that in jest, of course. CycloneGU (talk) 06:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Special Education

Hiyas there Beeble. A very quick question about the above page, and this recent edit that was made to it. I remember very vaguely (It was over two years ago) that there was a persistent sockpuppeteer who would use a load of accounts to vandalize article's related to special education. I just came across the above edit on a similar page, which you protected from sockpuppeteering, and where a relatively new editor made a similar style edit to what i remember from that previous case.

I really have no clue if this editor is related to the above blocked (banned?) editor, or even to the sockpuppetry that caused the protection. Any chance you could have a look at it? Thanks in advance! Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 21:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I definitely hear quacking. This appears to have been a "sleeper" sock account, now blocked. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

RfA reform

Hi Beeb. I've just been reading over the RfC you started a while back on moving the questions to the talk page. I see it was never summarised and closed, but it looks as if there was either no consensus or a slight lean towards opposition. It was nevertheless a worthwhile exercise, and my question is: do we need to thrash this out again by the task force, or shall we rule it out as a possibility? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I found that one of the main objections was that it was perceived as "change for the sake of change." This was a small part of my reasoning, I wanted to prove a small change was possible in the hope that bigger changes would follow. Unfortunately that small part of my rationale became the focus of many of the negative comments. Maybe just re-presenting the idea to the task force to see if there is any support there for it? Beeblebrox (talk) 18:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm personally happy to support anything sensible. It's bloody annoying when people focus on the wrong thing and then get all snitty about it! Pesky (talk) 05:24, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Beeblebrox, I've sent you an email. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:56, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Just read it, checking that out now, expect an email from me shortly. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle

Hi Beeb. Have you any idea why for admins the Twinkle CSD dropdown is set at 'delete' by default? It's still causing me problems, I've had to undelete several pages I just wanted to tag. I suppose I'll get used to it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure there's any way to set it to tag only by default. I so rarely do new page patrol anymore I've never looked into it, I usually browse already nominated articles instead. Beeblebrox (talk) 07:23, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Tenmei's RFC/U

Thanks for closing the RfC/U; you are correct that it wasn't going anywhere. I didn't want to suggest closure myself, especially since Tenmei seemed to be regularly re-editing xyr section. It's a shame that no one ever tried to respond to xyr points, but, such is life. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:32, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I had actually unwatchlisted it some time ago and was surprised when browsing ANI today to see it still on the list at the top. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:34, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Paralympiakos closure question.

Sorry to bother you about this, but I am curious to know what was lacking for an actual conclusion to be achieved in this RfC. Since I did not have prior experience in this process, I want lo learn what I could have done in order to reach a satisfactory consensus instead of a closure with no conclusion. After stating the dispute, receiving Paralympiakos response and the participation of other editors in the request for comment, what was the next step? I honestly did not know what was supposed to follow. I kind of assumed that an administrator would comment on the situation once the time had run out and he would draw conclusions based on the endorsements and comments in the talk page. What could I have done as the person that opened the request for comment to have reached a conclusion? What was missing? I really want to know because I honestly was lost since there is nothing more in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct/Guidance2. Jfgslo (talk) 05:08, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I wish I had some sort of an easy answer for you, but I'm afraid I don't. The purpose of an RFCU is to arrive at some sort of mutually agreeable solution to the perceived problem. This usually involves a lot of discussion between a lot of users. For whatever reason it seems hardly anybody showed up for this one. Only one outside view is posted and it received a mere two endorsements, one being from the user posting it. The subject's response to the RFC received an identical level of support. While it's not solely about counting heads there's just not enough there. It doesn't mean you did anything wrong, in fact the evidence collected seems quite thorough. I really don't know why participation was so light. RFCUs are listed on WP:ANI and other places for the entire time they are open, usually more uninvolved users wander in over the course of the process, sometimes pages swell to absurd lengths. However, even in a case with heavy participation failure is still a very real possibility as any agreement at an RFCU is entirely voluntary and is not binding. My best guess would be that there are an increasing number of users who are not really familiar with the finer points of the MOS and therefore they did not feel qualified to comment here, and did not feel compelled to do the necessary reading to become familiar with the issues discussed. Looking at Paralympiakos responses it is clear he was completely unreceptive to the concerns addressed in the RFCU. I'm afraid there is but one forum left if these issues persist: WP:ARBCOM. They usually take even longer to decide anything, but the idea that the subject has to want to resolve the dispute is not in play, they act more as a judges than as mediators and their decisions are binding on all parties. Be aware that opening an ArbCom case will shine the spotlight just as brightly on you as on the Paralympiakos, so don't do it unless you honestly feel you have no other option. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:56, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response. Your comment in the talk page closure pretty much summed up the situation. While I'm disappointed that the RfC garnered very little participation, at least I'm glad to know that I did not omit something. Once again, thank for your answer. Jfgslo (talk) 19:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Chair

designing a chair that itself has no article undoubtedly the Supporto should have an article as a design classic, or at least a section in Scott's article. Taking this lack to imply lack of notability of the designer is of course an easy thing to do. I have noticed that assumption being used somewhat worryingly on albums and musicians. The musician gets deleted as a copyvio (when it may even be that the WP article was the original) and the albums follow as by "A band so non-notable they don't even have an article". The categories get deleted as empty, the navbox as unused.... All perfectly "sound" steps in themselves, but the net result is a nice collection of pages vanishes like the wyrm Ouroborous. Rich Farmbrough, 10:41, 11 April 2011 (UTC).

CSD on Larry Murphy

Thanks for noticing that it actually was sourced and only the reflist template was missing. Was much too hasty (and probably irritable), should leave patrolling be for the evening. Moocha (talk) 18:37, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually at the moment you nominated it the sources weren't there [2] at all. Looking onto it this guy does seem to be quite notorious in Ireland. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:40, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

LLC

Per this; it exists, just at Limited liability company. I'll go make that a redirect now. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:09, 11 April 2011 (UTC)Update; seems it exists as a redirect too, just with lowercase instead. 19:11, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: "An admin ought to know better"

Kindly refrain from the patronising remarks. I do not need others to tell me when I need to be ashamed. Nyttend (talk) 01:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I have learned that when one is contemplating blocking an administrator it is best to issue a clear warning first because some users wrongly believe such shameful actions are somehow more excusable when committed by an experienced administrator such as yourself. Is that clear enough for you? Beeblebrox (talk) 01:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

RfA reform

Hi Just Step Sideways/Archive 21. I have now moved the RfA reform and its associated pages to project space. The main page has been updated and streamlined. We now also have a new table on voter profiles. Please take a moment to check in and keep the pages on your watchlist. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

White Argentine

Hello, Beeblebrox.

Did you know that the article Argentines of European descent exist? If you do, why did you delete the redirect of White Argentine to it? The two concepts overlap in a major way. SamEV (talk) 20:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I am well aware of that article. The genesis of its creation is that after I deleted "White Argentine" I protected it from re-creation as we had a consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Argentine was that the idea of "whiteness" is not generally used as a determining factor of race in Argentina and we should therefore not have an article on that subject. The article was restored so that it could be re-worked into the "European descent" article we have now. So, my action was intended to uphold the consensus established at that AFD that we should not be describing Argentines of European descent as "white." That is both why I deleted the redirect and why I restored the create-protection which I'm sure the restoring admin did not intentionally remove, it was merely a side effect of restoring and moving the article. If you feel strongly that it should be re-created I suppose WP:RFD would be the place to discuss the matter. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

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UAA report

Sorry, I blocked User:Stanginperformance as a clear role account before seeing your message at UAA. If you want to unblock him to discuss a name change feel free, but my guess is that he's gone for good after his promotional article was deleted. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 22:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Nah, I won't undo it, I just don't like to block if there is a discussion of the name already. It makes us look kind of schizophrenic to ask them to discuss something and then block them before they have had a real chance to reply, but undoing it now would only make that worse. FYI the UAA bot adds a note to each report if there is a template notice already on the user's page. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Tan Haur

No sweat, that was a good call. Cheers! --joe decker ^{talk to me} 01:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I just hate to see someone getting away with something sneaky like that. It's not fair to the participants at the AFD or the persons who were editing the article while unaware it was up for deletion. I've made sure the user knows not to do that again. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:52, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I do sympathize. I'll see if there's some meat hiding in that sourcing slush pile that's been added, probably later tonight, it should be interesting. Take care, --joe decker ^{talk to me} 02:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

And thanks for catching the error on the talk page info there on the renom. :) --joe decker ^{talk to me} 21:36, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Problems_dealing_with_User:Landalva_without_being_bite-y

OK--in "User(s) blocked Beeblebrox " you should really consider some punctuation. I thought pigs were flying. Phew. Drmies (talk) 01:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Ha. Many of those little talk templates insert a period at the end, I guess that one does not.

Fixed. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Well done. Now, on ANI I read that there's pictures of naked people on Human. Can you please take care of that? I have a delicate soul. I'll give you a barnstar.... Drmies (talk) 02:05, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

My user review.

Beeblebrox, I just wanted to thank-you for leaving such a detailed review on my user review page, your time is much appreciated, and I have already started addressing the issues highlighted. Thank-you once again, Wikipedian2 (talk) 11:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Your welcome, I'm glad it was helpful to you. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:14, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in a pilot study

I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Wikipedia. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Wikipedia contributors." I would like to invite you to a short survey. Please give me your valuable time, which estimates only 5 minutes. cooldenny (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Took a look at it, but I'm sorry to say it is predicated on too many false assumptions and I don't believe you will get meaningful, useful results. While there are undoubtedly some users who make a commitment to themselves to edit a particular number of articles in a particular frame of time, many if not most of us just take it as it comes. Also, you should have somebody with a better grasp of sentence structures in the English language construct the assumptions and the questions. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Need help with Cai Li Fo review

Hi Beeblebrox, I don't know if you remember me, but you once thought I was a sockpuppet. I was exonerated and I am glad for that, but now I need your help. I've sent this exact following message to another admin named Janggeom to see if that person could help too. I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but I have no idea who to turn to or what exactly to do.

As one of the primary editors of the Cai Li Fo wiki, we ran into a problem. TexasAndroid has put in a copyright block on our wiki page because a site called http://kungfucertificate.com/Bird_Form_Kung_Fu.html copied the wiki text into their website. I was wondering if you can please help us by being an external investigator and help us unblock the Cai Li Fo and Jeong Yim wiki's? I presented some evidence to help show that it was a reverse copyright and discussed it with him on his talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TexasAndroid but I don't think much as been done with the investigation yet. The contributors and I have put in a good 2 years of solid editing and verifications to try and conform to all the wiki standards. I mentioned to TexasAndroid about looking at the Bird Kung Fu site's source code and path names, as well as demonstrating that the information for all the Chinese Martial Arts on that site has been copied from Wikipedia, including wiki pages that I did not start. I don't know what else to do, but wait for the investigation to be completed, but their doesn't seem to be any indication when this is going to happen or how long it will take. Is there any proactive things I can do? Thanks! Any help or advice would be appreciated!

I found another reverse copyright on there site beside the praying mantis pages. Look at their Wing Chun page: http://kungfucertificate.com/Wing_Chun.html and look at the one here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_chun Work on the wiki page goes all the way back to 2001. I don't understand why the Cai Li Fo wiki only gets blocked when it is blatantly obvious that the http://kungfucertificate.com/Bird_Form_Kung_Fu.html site is copying from other pages as well. Huo Xin (talk) 23:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Checking... this sounds a bit complicated, it may take some time to unravel it... Beeblebrox (talk) 17:45, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

From the look of things at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations you're in the clear and the page has been acknowledged as a "reverse" copyright violation. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks Beeblebrox for looking into this! Huo Xin (talk) 18:30, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

It has been a long time, but I wanted to add my two cents of appreciation for your help with this matter.Clftruthseeking (talk) 02:28, 19 April 2011 (UTC)Clftruthseeking (talk) 02:36, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Result of AfD for race and crime

I'm not sure I understand the result here. How does one implement the remedy of "severely chop"? Is returning it to a redirect or a stub appropriate? On a related note, I'm not sure how you came up with this as consensus. Maybe some explanation of your reasoning here might be helpful, especially in light of the number of policies this article is said to violate. aprock (talk) 15:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I made a statement when closing the AFD,[3] I made another remark on the talkpage,[4] and I did the severe content chop myself.[5] I'm not sure how else to explain myself. I did not see a clear consensus to delete the article altogether or to keep it in it's current form, so I did as several participants suggested, keep the article but remove almost all of it due to the problems. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:43, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate your response. I was responding only to notice on the AfD page [6]. I did not see the other edits and changes you made. Thank you for clarifying and I apologize for not seeing the other edits. aprock (talk) 18:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

I read you advice and I think it's to the point. By the way, IAR is one of the five pillars (WP's rules aren't etched in stone). –BuickCentury Driver 09:13, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

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WT:RFA

That was brave rev del'ing on that. ARBCOM would have used that as the "final straw" excuse to desysop me, which is why I only reverted. Pedro : Chat 20:06, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Looked pretty cut-and-dried to me, I certainly didn't feel brave doing it. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Seems like the draconian warnings over revdel are overly inflated then. Not questioning your use of the tool, only noting that for some of us liberal use would be an "easy win" in the eyes of our masters. Pedro : Chat 20:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

It's even worse than that, I actually suppressed it entirely so if that was wrong WP:AUSC will let me know about it. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Pedro, where have you got the idea from that ArbCom are looking to desysop you? That's certainly not my impression at all, and I believe that they've got far bigger fish to fry right now anyway. The view from the gutter is that some administrators abuse revdel to cover their tracks, and we plebs can't see what they've done, but that's just one aspect of the larger issue of admin unaccountability. Malleus Fatuorum 20:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, my tracks weren't on this, and there was actually a formal request at OTRS for the edits to be suppressed, so I feel pretty solid about it. And really Pedro, you are certainly not on my short list of abusive above the law admins. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I've actually just been reviewing my own advice on the subject because there is a certain admin I've been dealing with who has decided they no longer will deign to discuss any edit, page move, revert, etc they make because they are always right. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:31, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I know lots of them. Malleus Fatuorum 20:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

user:Ludvikus

Please see User talk:Ludvikus#Mentorship -- and let's discuss it there. -- PBS (talk) 12:30, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Tenrehte Technologies, Inc.

Hi, Beeblebrox. I'm confused by your closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tenrehte Technologies, Inc. as "keep". The only person who argued for keeping the article was the creator. How could you possibly find that as a consensus for keeping the article? Powers ^T 15:10, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, this is a perfect example of the concept that AFD is a discussion not a vote. If you read the conversation instead of going by how many bolded votes there are for each position there is most certainly not a consensus to delete the article. One user struck out their "weak keep" but did not make it clear what was intended by that action, their comments still indicate they were leaning towards a keep. You stated you were willing to be convinced by sources, but never responded to the creator's points about the sources already supplied. The one bolded "delete" vote consists of a quote of a single line from the article and nothing else. All we can take from that is that they objected to that one sentence, which was removed. After two weeks that was all I had to go on. I suppose I could have closed it as "no consensus" but the result is the same. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I reject your implication that I was only "going by how many bolded votes there are". Please assume a little good faith. Contrary to your assertion, I did respond the creator's points about the sources already supplied; his later statement was just (paraphrased) "I disagree with your assessment" and I didn't really see the need to answer back with "I disagree with your disagreement". He also said he would make an effort to find the sources he "originally" read but never followed up. If the other commentators left weak rationales, that's hardly an endorsement of the article's continued existence. How would you suggest we proceed from here? Powers ^T 18:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Oops, you're right that was you that responded. However I still don't see any consensus to delete the article. If you feel my close was flawed you can pursue WP:DRV. If it's more a problem with the article itself you could always re-nominate it in the future. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:12, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Although I'm curious which side others would come down on, at this point I suppose there's little harm in letting the article remain. Powers ^T 00:24, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

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I've replied on User talk:Ke4roh about this. Prodego ^talk 18:32, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assis,_Armando_V.D.B._On_the_Cold_Big_Bang_Cosmology._Progress_in_Physics,_2011,_v._2,_58-63.

This page does not correspond to my work. Armando V.D.B. Assis. May you explain why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assis,_Armando_V.D.B._On_the_Cold_Big_Bang_Cosmology._Progress_in_Physics,_2011,_v._2,_58-63. still exists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.162.246.64 (talk) 21:05, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assis,_Armando_V.D.B._On_the_Cold_Big_Bang_Cosmology._Progress_in_Physics,_2011,_v._2,_58-63.

This page does not correspond to my work. Armando V.D.B. Assis. May you explain why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assis,_Armando_V.D.B._On_the_Cold_Big_Bang_Cosmology._Progress_in_Physics,_2011,_v._2,_58-63. still exists? (There is a point . at the final of the URL, instead of the previous one)- Carol had created this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.162.246.64 (talk) 21:25, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't see any evidence that such a page exists now or has existed in the past. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Ant682

You must have read mu mind. Before I turned over and went to sleep last night at around midnight my time, I had an idea to send a similar questionnaire to all NOTNOW on the sortable table. You posted your message to Ant 35 minutes later. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:35, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

81.164.209.246

The IP belongs to the sock of an indef'd user named Editor XXV. The IP's block is theoretically expired, but it's staying blocked due to autoblock. Will the autoblock last indefinitely, or will it go away after some fixed time period? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

It's my understanding that autoblocks expire after 24 hours. It is possible there is a rangeblock or something in place as well, that's a kind of obscure area and I'm afraid I don't know much about it. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:44, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive222#Series of RFC's need closing

Hi Beeblebrox. A month has passed since your message at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive222#Series of RFC's need closing. My request for closures at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive688#Wikipedia:Wiki Guides/Allow socializing and Wikipedia:Wiki Guides/Change CSD to userspace drafts was archived and no admin addressed it. Is there a better venue for requesting RfCs to be closed? Cunard (talk) 00:03, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Really any user who did not participate can make the closes, there is not actually a requirement that they be an admin. I would say re-post at AN and cross post at WP:VPP. It has been hard to get people to do this sort of work recently, a few weeks ago I closed a user RFC that hadn't even been edited in about three weeks. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:48, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but I personally feel that closures in policy discussions should be done by admins, people who have been entrusted by the community through RfA to close XfDs and other community discussions. I've posted requests at WP:AN and WP:VPP. Thank you for the suggestions. Cunard (talk) 03:35, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wendy Fonarow

I closed this as "keep" as it had been listed for 21 days with only 2 editors commenting, both "keep". However, this is a BLP and the !voters seem to be commenting on coverage of her work more so then on her personally. I don't think this could have been closed any other way but if coverage on her specifically isn't found I wouldn't blame you if you wanted to renominate this in a month or so. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:12, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I probably won't. When I first nominated this I didn't know anything about the subject, but after reading a bit about her and reviewing some of her columns I have formed an extremely negative opinion of her work, which I find to be pretentious nonsense, so my own POV could cloud my judgement in this matter. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:01, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

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Calories

There are two types of calories. 1 Calorie = 1000 calories = 1 kcal. Capitalization identifies the large-C calorie from the small-c calorie. Eventually joules (abbr. J) will supplant both. Dger (talk) 21:09, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Might be a good idea to find a way to clarify that since Calories and calories link to the same place. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:42, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Unorthodox (Cold) Big Bang Cosmology

This page was not created before. There are several pagen within Wikipedia about Unorthodox subjects. The Cold Big bang page did not reach a consensus. This page, Unorthodox (Cold) Big Bang Cosmology, is about Unorthodox Cosmological model. An user may insert examples. Why did you delete the page under CSD G4 since this criteria does not fit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.24.224.174 (talk) 01:07, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

It was deleted under the title Assis, Armando V.D.B. On the Cold Big Bang Cosmology. Progress in Physics, 2011, v. 2, 58-63. I find it hard to believe you were unaware of this, you are obviously one of several IP addresses working in concert with Carolingfield (talk · contribs) in her crusade to force or sneak this material onto Wikipedia. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:36, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Unorthodox (Cold) Big Bang Cosmology

May you send me a copy of the deleted page Unorthodox (Cold) Big Bang Cosmology. Thank You. Carolingfield (talk) 01:25, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

You obviously don't need it as it was pretty much a word-for-word copy of the previously deleted article. I have no intention of encouraging or assisting this crusade to force this material onto Wikipedia while ignoring our established editorial practices and policies. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:32, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Hence I have no choice to contest your decision? May you teach me how to contest your decision? With respect, the page is not the same, since the content appears under another context, a fringe context, unorthodox one. You said the content was unorthodox before. There are pages within Wikipedia about Unorthodox subjects and I respectfully ask you, administrator, why the Cosmological subject cannot have a page about unorthodox cosmology? I am not obssessed, I understand you are wrong. Are you a perfect human being? Are you the owner of the truth? I am assuming a good faith here. Why none administrator deleted the page since yesterday. It seems it is an unilateral decision from you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolingfield (talk • contribs) 01:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

The page was deleted under speedy deletion criterion G4, in that it was a recreation of deleted content that did not address the issues that led to the first deletion. Changing the name of the page without changing the content by more than a few words here and there is not a sufficient solution. The problems with the content have been repeatedly explained to you so I'm not going to go down that road yet again. Most speedy deletions are preformed by a single administrator. I have never claimed to be perfect but I am confident that the most recent deletion of this content which you have repeatedly added to Wikipedia was done in line with our policies on such matters. You may pursue deletion review if you wish to contest any of the deletions of this content. Please be sure to notify all involved parties if you do take such action. You may need help from an administrator as the pages have been create protected to prevent them being re-created yet again. My advice to you however is to let it go and make more of an effort to understand the various content policies that others have been repeatedly pointing out to you. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:45, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of Ride Snowboards

Any chance you can give me more information on why Ride Snowboards was deleted? Also, is it possible for me to get the last revision of the article before it was deleted? I want to edit it some more to make it suitable for another time. Thank you.Bear PIG man 2 (talk) 23:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

The consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ride Snowboards was to delete the article, you can see the specific arguments for deletion there. Unfortunately participation was low, but the debate was open for three weeks without anyone arguing to keep the article. The main problem, as is usual when an article arrives at AFD, was a scarcity of reliable sources to verify the content and establish the notability of the subject. The only sources attached were from the company's own website. There was also some concern that the tone of the article was overly promotional, which upon reviewing it I must say I agree with, however that can be fixed through editing. Phrasing like: " This great selection combats other snowboarding giants, such as Burton Snowboards" is not the neutral tone expected of an encyclopedia article. We also do not use ™ or other copyright, trademark, or registration symbols within the text of articles. Those are both easy problems to fix however, the sourcing issue is much more important if this is ever to be a proper encyclopedia article. I will put a copy of the deleted article at User:Bear PIG man 2/Ride Snowboards 2, but the protection on the title in article space will remain because this has been deleted several times before. When you believe it is ready to be re-posted you will need an administrator to assist in moving the article through the protection. You can either ask me directly or file at requests for page protection in the "unprotection" section. If the problems that led to the deletion have been fixed and it does meet any of the criteria for speedy deletion it can be moved back. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, it is very helpful.Bear PIG man 2 (talk) 16:41, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Advice please

You are an admin I have dealt with before, and I appreciate your level-headed approach to things so I would appreciate some advice. I'm not reporting this at AIV but I'm concerned to see such a vitriolic personal attack as the last reply posted at Talk:Chevrolet Vega by Barnstarbob - the one beginning "Stop making me the villen" and ending "And NEXT TIME, reserve your threats for some one else. Payback can be a bitch." . What if anything should I do? All I have been trying to do today is see if this person will engage in the forthcoming RFC brought about by the lock down of the article. Once I got that last reply I decided it wasn't worth persisting in trying to get a sensible reply so I have backed off. --Biker Biker (talk) 14:11, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I would just open that RFC and let it run. He seems to be taking this personally and making it into an issue between the users involved instead of a discussion of the content. While personal attacks and thinly veiled threats are never acceptable, sometimes the best way to deal with them is to just stop talking to that person. Its worth a try anyway. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I will do just that. I really do want him to participate in the RFC though because if he doesn't he will just try to derail all our good work afterwards (if he is allowed to). --Biker Biker (talk) 16:00, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

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"Vandalism" revert

I thought you might hassle me for reverting your disruptive comment on the MOS talk page as vandalism, but some other dude is hassling me instead. Go figure. Dicklyon (talk) 04:53, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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surprised

Surprised to see this comment from you Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Can.27t_believe_anyone_actually_cares_enough_to_debate_it_at_all_and_don.27t_even_want_to_know_what_the_result_of_this_RFC_is. I've been around (seasonally) for a few years and you always struck me as one of the calmest, most reasonable admins; that comment strikes me as discordant with your body of work. In any event, left reply there. Gerardw (talk) 11:12, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

For your essay writing at WP:ROPE

		Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar
		Your essay work at WP:ROPE has been one of my major influences for years, both on and off Wikipedia. Don't let a blocked sock let you think any differently, your essay matters. Tathar (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Well thank you very much, it's always gratifying to know your work is appreciated. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully I can use it to encourage administrators to make more effort to reform blocked users rather than just shut them out from editing. There's one blocked user in particular who probably would have responded better to civility and helpful suggestions rather than the administrative actions that were limited to the denied block appeal templates. Aside from the username and some less than ideal responses on his/her talk page to cookie-cutter reasons to deny unblocking, the user seemed to be a rather constructive editor interested in bettering Wikipedia. I understand that Wikipedia isn't the same as Kongregate by any means, but from a community management perspective, I can't see any reason for administrators to be anything but civil and helpful to even the worst problem users so they can better themselves. --Tathar (talk) 00:59, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

ACN

Hi! Would you care to clarify who you meant by your comment here? Maybe it should be obvious, but at least I can't find a user that would fit your description. Regards, Jafeluv (talk) 12:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

replied elsewhere. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Lackadaisy

The webcomic Lackadaisy has been nominated for a major award, the Eisner Award.[7][8] I was going to add the nomination to the article, but see it was deleted (barely) in February. Would you have any objection to me restoring the article, and adding the Eisner nomination? I believe it meets the standard for notability. --El on ka 16:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

As I was only the closer for the AFD it is less about my objections than the those who actually participated in the AFD. However, I don't see any significant coverage of the comic itself in those sources, which is exactly why it was deleted to begin with. If it actually wins it may get more significant attention. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Does this mean that you would object to an undelete? I agree that the AfD was borderline, so it kind of falls into the category of admin discretion. Personally, I would have closed the AfD as "no consensus, defaults to Keep", but it's a borderline enough case that I could see that different admins would have closed it differently, so it's not really worth taking it to DRV. I do see that there was more press about Lackadaisy in Draw! magazine, but sadly it is print only and not online. I do feel that the Eisner award nomination, and the new press, do mean that the article should be restored. Or, what else would you like to see, in order to justify undeleting the article? --El on ka 17:55, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

BTW, here's the cite on the 14-page article (which I'd like to add if we undelete):

Manley, Mike (Spring 2011). "Cats, Gats, and all that Jazz: an interview with Tracy Butler". Draw!. Vol. 1, no. 20. TwoMorrows Publishing. pp. 27–41.

--El on ka 19:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I can't really say if I would object to it or not without seeing the new version, I'm not opposed to it in principle and if you have more significant sources than were in use before then it shouldn't be subject to CSD under G4 either. I would say either userfy it or slap {{inuse}} on it after restoring while you add new content and sources and you should be good to go. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and would you like to undelete it, or shall I, with a note that I discussed it with you? Also, as another option, I'm wondering if the whole thing should be moved to Tracy Butler, since the interviews tend to be with her rather than specifically about the webcomic itself, and then there could be a section on Lackadaisy in her article, which we could redirect the Lackadaisy link to. Any thoughts on that? --El on ka 20:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and re-created the article at User:Elonka/Lackadaisy. With your permission, I'll move it back into mainspace? --El on ka 20:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I only see one problem: some text in the new draft is partially based on the deleted version so a WP:HISTMERGE should probably be done, or you could restore the deleted version and then indicate by edit summary that you are merging in content from this draft. Somehow the attribution for the original work needs to be attached to this new version. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking about that too, and agree that undeleting and merging is the way to go. We'd hate to lose all the edit history! --El on ka 17:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and undeleted and expanded the article, per our discussions. I wasn't quite sure how to notate this in the {{multidel}} template though! Could you take a look at how I did it at Talk:Lackadaisy? Feel free to make any changes you'd like. Thanks, --El on ka 17:56, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

As a followup, I have located a number of additional sources and added them to the article, so I think it's doing pretty well now. Thanks again for your help! --El on ka 20:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Possible new old user

Hi! I see that you were the admin who unblocked User:M4pnt (contributions) back in October. He had been using multiple accounts, but it seemed like a fair case of a lack of understanding the rules. Anyway, I've recently noticed a new user, User:Mtlv0 (contributions). This user's edits begin 2 days after M4pnt's left off, and seem to be on the exact same articles or types of articles (European/Swedish death metal musicians/bands/albums, and UFC-related articles, including specific fighters, albeit different fighters per account). Mtlv0's edits on the death metal articles I'm watching/editing are very similar to M4pnt's. I personally don't know how to determine whether two accounts are the same person (using the whois feature, for example), so I thought I'd bring this to your attention. I could be completely wrong here, which is why I figured starting a note on your talk page would be better than making wild accusations and starting a sock-puppet review. I'm also not saying that anyone should be blocked (except any puppet accounts if they do in fact exist), but maybe reminded again about the multiple accounts policy (if it is the same user, Wikipedia policy doesn't seem to stick, he needs reminders every so often). Lastly, if this entire post is out-of-bounds, then please accept my apologies and feel free to delete and ignore it. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 01:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

This was a while ago so I'm still looking at the details, but I did warn them quite clearly about using multiple accounts when they were unblocked. There may be a WP:COMPETENCE issue here, the previous socks were also rather obvious. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'm now convinced it's the same editor, under a new name (obviously so he could go back to his poor editing style and pretend like he didn't know that). This diff he says that someone already told him about a page, that this user hasn't ever edited. However, he was told (by myself and another editor) here: User talk:M4pnt#Bloodbath. Can you check this out? It's starting to become disruptive, and going back to revert all these edits is quite time-consuming. If I can do anything, please let me know. Thanks! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 04:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I;m thinking it's probably time to file at WP:SPI and let a checkuser look into it. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Alright, will do. Thanks! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 02:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/M4pnt MrMoustacheMM (talk) 03:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

It is happening again...

...please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Superbradyon (2nd nomination). Drmies (talk) 02:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

There is a problem that you may be able to resolve with an unusual intervention

Hello Beeblebrox,

User:Iaaasi often requests checkusers at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Stubes99 in a surreptitious manner, whilst he is a twofold indef-blocked and community banned user. The last time that happened was 3 days ago via a Ip [9] and then via a registered sock account [10]. I tried to obstruct the checkuser request of the sock of Iaaasi with making about 20 reverts on that page as banned users have no right to edit Wikipedia, but his exertions were eventually successful in launching the process again. Originally, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Stubes99 was opened by CyanMoon, who is one of the detected sockpuppets of Iaaasi [11], just like YellowFF0, who was the second submitter of the page.[12].

And because the most active participant of this checkuser request page was Iaaasi, yet when he was allowed to edit the English Wikipedia under his original account and he is still a recurring host there....

Would it be in order to request Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Stubes99 to be semi-protected so that the page to be possible to edit only by established users?

(I know well that it may seem strange that if a checkuser request page is semi-protected , but his IP range is too wide to a perennial Ip range-block.)

--Nmate (talk) 12:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Wow. We sure do attract some odd people here don't we? I've run into something similar to this before, another banned user who was tagging their own sockpuppet accounts. Why? No idea. I'm sure a research psychologist would have a field day analyzing the behavior of some of the banned trolls and their bizarre activities. Anyway, if it's a continuing problem there may be a case for semi protecting the page, but the level of disruption would have to be pretty bad since those accused of socking are often unconfirmed users and they need the opportunity to defend themselves from the accusations. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for your answer.--Nmate (talk) 13:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI he also emailed me and apparently several other other users with oversight permission about this, so there are more eyes on it now. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Randy Roth

On 15 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Randy Roth, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Randy Roth was convicted of faking a boating accident in order to cover up the murder of his fourth wife? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

3,200 views in six hours! I'd like to thank my mom, the academy, and Jesus. Wait, scratch that, I'd like to thank Ann Rule and the reporters at The Seattle Times circa 1992. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Feedback

Hi Beeb. If you have a moment, I would appreciate your feedback on this. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

MONGO and the edit war at the 9/11 article

Thank you for intervening to keep the editorial process going at our article on 9/11. Can I ask you to keep an eye on this editor as well? He had a spate of edit-warring on the article back in February, followed by this recent disruptive revert while an RfC is actually in progress on the talk page. He already knows about the Arbcom remedies as he has been blocked once already for his behavior there. While prompt edit-warring is an obvious threat, slow motion and tag-team edit-warring by experienced editors should also be regarded as sanctionable, in my opinion. See what you think, and thanks again for taking on this task. Wow! I just saw this which I see you reverted so you are already aware of this. I see you warned him back then and received this in reply. I believe civility was one of the recommendations of the 2008 Arbcom case, wasn't it? --John (talk) 05:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes it was. However my primary goal is to calm everyone down, blocking MONGO for that would probably not have helped with that goal. Since it was me he was attacking I couldn't really issue the block anyway. Despite what MONGO thinks I don't like blocking good faith users unless there is no other choice, and I take WP:INVOLVED more seriously than many other admins. Hopefully this latest RFC will resolve this issue for a while, although I'm sure it will come back eventually. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:00, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, and I shouldn't have posted here without properly researching your involvement. Sorry about that. Please keep up the good work there. --John (talk) 04:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

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A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Laurence Marquette

On 19 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Richard Laurence Marquette, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that serial killer Richard Laurence Marquette was the first person to be an eleventh name on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 09:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

ZING! 8.8k views! Beeblebrox (talk) 18:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Ma'ale HaShalom info removal

Hi Beeblebrox,

I would prefer not to edit-war, so I am bringing this up here. I think that for the good of the outcome of this Afd that the info you tried to remove should remain there so a fair judgment can be made. If the Afd is closed as a keep, feel free to remove it afterwards, and I will not revert it anymore. Sebwite (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

You don't seem to grasp some of our core content policies. WP:V being the primary one at play here. There are no WP:RS that discuss the subject and say it is a street name. None. Not even one. I therefore removed the content that seemed to be WP:OR and the content sourced to a novel. We can't present unverified material as if it were fact. The only source remaining is the much touted guide to every street name in Jerusalem, which says this is the name of a gate and does not mention a street by this name. This is the third time I have endeavored to explain all this to you, the third time I have indicated which policies are being violated, and the third time you have insisted that your personal feeling about this issue somehow overrides all these policy violations. You are dead wrong sir, and reverting it again without even attempting to refute my policy based reasoning would in fact be edit warring. You ask that users be allowed to make a fair judgement. I agree. They can judge the article based on the two sentences that can actually be verified, and not all the made up stuff that was removed. Since I noted my actions at the AFD anyone participating there would know to look in the page history for the old versions that contained the multiple violations of our most basic principles as an encyclopedia project. You do understand that we don't generally allow people to just make stuff up and post it as if it were fact, don't you? Beeblebrox (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

So, what does "see discussion" mean? [13] In this discussion, and at the AFD I have outlined clearly and specifically what the problems are with this content, and cited several policies that are relevant to the situation. You have said nothing beyond "I don't think we should do that while the AFD is underway" and you have stated you don't want to edit war, while you have in fact reverted my edits twice without citing any policy, guideline, or anything other than your own feelings. So, do you have a policy, guideline, or other reason to cite above and beyond your own feelings or have you decided that your feelings will now dictate what is and is not allowed in a Wikipedia article and we'll just throw the five pillars out the window in favor of your emotions? Beeblebrox (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Beeblebrox, I'd like to thank you for the hook you came up with for my DYK. It did a good job.Regards.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:41, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Wow, that's a lot of page views! Beeblebrox (talk) 14:42, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

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re: ...

this post. Actually it is sort of mentioned in the this section (last item), it's just that it's titled as: "Mexican-American War vs Mexican–American War"; which is kind of where this all got started. Took me a while to find it, but I thought I had seen someone post something about those "short horizontal lines" on that page a while back. How's it going Beebs? Hope all is well, Cheers. — Ched : ? 06:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I really do think it is the all-time champion of lame disputes. I thought I had seen it all on here, but arguing at such length and with such intensity over something so meaningless is a new low. Doing well generally, kind of dismayed at the direction Wikipedia is headed though. Seems like you can't get anything done without having a 2-6 month long debate about it anymore. The WP:PCRFC fiasco being a perfect example, the main question it was meant to resolve was pushed to the back and remains unaddressed. Been doing some more article work lately to remind myself of what actually is important around here. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:RFA2011

Task Force news: Recent updates include basic minor changes and condensing at the main page, additional comments on the main page talk page, a new project sub page and talk for Radical Alternatives, and messages at Task force talk. A current priority is to reach suggested criteria/tasks for clerks, and then to establish a local consensus vis-à-vis clerking. Please remember to keep all the project and its talk pages on your watchlist. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

request to check the oversight log

Could you please have a look at User_talk:Phantomsteve#deleted page not having a log entry? and confirm whether the log was oversighted? It is either that or some kind of bug. Yoenit (talk) 07:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Both the suppression and deletion logs come up blank, despite the fact that the page was obviously deleted. Never seen anything like that before, must be some kind of weird bug. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:26, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

It will do that if somebody uses RevDel on the deletion log entry. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Closing RfC

When the RfC at 9/11 attacks runs its course, are you planning on closing it? Or should we seek an admin at WP:ANB. Either works for me, but I was just curious. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hadn't thought about it, wasn't really planning on closing it. Even though I didn't participate I am trying to keep this debate at arm's length as much as possible so if another admin is willing to do it that would be my preferred option. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, that's fine. When it expires, I'll post a request at WP:ANB. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi!!Beeblebrox. I was away on vacation and logged in toady to see notification re Babaria page. I just wanted to say thanks and for your timely intervention.Jethwarp (talk) 07:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Babaria

Hi!!Beeblebrox. I was away on vacation and logged in toady to see notification re Babaria page. I just wanted to say thanks and for your timely intervention.Jethwarp (talk) 07:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

That user was on a bit of a tag-bombing spree, but he seems to have gotten the message to slow it down and be more accurate. I don't think there was ever any danger of the article actually being deleted since the nom was so obviously wrong, but thanks for noticing! Beeblebrox (talk) 16:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Cort Webber and Bobby "Fatboy" Roberts

I noticed that you pulled the plug on both of these pages, despite some rather intense efforts to save them and an outcry from many readers. I have to ask: did you consider the sources included in these articles, including publications like the Oregonian and Cinematical, before deleting them? Hawthornestreetblues (talk) 19:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

There have already been many deletion discussions regarding these people and their show, including this deletion review. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The above account is most likely a sockpuppet of Stumptowner (talk · contribs), btw. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks like I missed all the excitement, been out all day. In the nearly inevitable case that this should come up again, I would direct any interested parties to my closing statement at the AFD, in which I explicitly explained the logic behind the close. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Saw this diff and grinned. Thanks Beeblebrox. :) Steven Walling 01:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

File:Captainteague.jpg no longer orphaned.

After the deletion of the individual character article for Captain Teague and its subsequent redirect to List of Pirates of the Caribbean characters, I have edited this image into the latter article and it is no longer orphaned. --Ifrit (Talk) 03:33, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Noted, nomination retracted. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Discussions

Hi Beeb, I agree 100% with your statement here - so true. That's why it's almost impossible to get anything done. I just hope RFA2011 doesn't get snarled up the same way. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm still hopeful it won't end up like WP:PCRFC but not as hopeful as I was at first. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

User review

Sorry about that, I just was troubled by the fact that user was driven away by block and wanted to know whether a name like that would be allowed according to policy. Sorry for not checking. –BuickCentury Driver 19:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

These things happen. I would say the name is borderline promotional, maybe Mike could have tried discussing first. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Though I'll have to swallow my pride, I'll agree on the latter. –BuickCentury Driver 21:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Principality of Wy

Hello, I was not personally attacked, had a bit of a go at Argumentum ad hominem directed at me but all in good humour, hope I didn't offend anyone unnecessarily, so I would ask that the deleted bits be put babck. Regards Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Two problems with that: you were the one making personal attacks, and the "Principality" does not publish its address, so we shouldn't either. Suppression is not an action that is undertaken lightly and I have no intention of reversing it. I happen to agree that the whole thing is a bit silly, but the fact is that they have chosen not to publish their address on their website, it only has a P.O. box, and I haven't seen it in any of the other sources used. Looking up the residents address in the phone book and putting it together yourself isn't going to get us past that hurdle. Best to let it go, it's hardly the critical point of the discussion. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I have reverted this but perhaps it needs further action? Then this was followed by this. HeLmiT (talk) 10:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Another oversighter got there first. Now that there are three oversighters/admins advising Crusoe8181 to stop posting that information lest he blocked I should hope he will finally get the point. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hi Beeblebrox, as you know AKG looked into my latest block and the bans associated with it, and came to conclusion neither were warranted. Later after my email exchange with you, and by my request AGK modified my block log, and now he's getting reminded about this all the time with the latest reminder made in the thread that in no way is connected to me. I would not like an absolutely innocent person to suffer because of me. AGK is a fair, thoughtful and honest administrator. He declined my ban appeal, when he felt I did not deserve to get my ban lifted, just a few days ago he chided me publicly. He does not deserve to be talked about as he is supporting me in one way or another or prefers me to other users. He is not. He changed my block log, when I asked him to because I have been constantly harassed over the silly bans Gwen added to my block log, with the latest episode of such harassment being here (and it is 2 months after my bans were lifted and without me posting anything to any of these boards at all!)

Anyway to make a long story short, I would not like AGK to suffer because he did a fair adjustment to my block log. He is guilty in nothing. He is not my friend, and he is not my supporter. He is just a fair person, and this offense:-) is not punishable even on wikipedia :-) So, to stop this unfair treatment of AGK, may I please ask you to oversite the change he made to my block log? If somebody should suffer because of my unfair block log, it should be me and me alone.

Sorry for the long post, and thank you for your time and your understanding.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

That's very generous of you, but I'm afraid I can't do that. When one is preparing to delete a revision or log entry you see the following warnings:

Redaction to hide block log entries or hide mere poorly considered actions, criticisms, posts, etc, outside these criteria and without required consensus, or agreement by the arbitration committee, will usually be treated as improper use and may lead to arbitration and/or desysopping.
Log redaction (outside of the very limited scope of criterion RD2 for the move and deletion logs) is intended solely for grossly improper content, and not permitted for ordinary matters; the community needs to be able to review users' block logs and other logs, whether or not proper.

As you can see from that, the main thing that would be accomplished by taking such an action would be me losing my oversight and possibly administrative rights. You could try asking WP:ARBCOM directly, they are able to make exceptions a single admin cannot. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I see now. Sorry I asked you. Thank you for taking the time to respond and to explain the situation to me. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

possible self block request

I am right now considering a self block request. If I want it, I will let you know shortly. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) ^{T or M}/_{Sign mine} 22:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

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I also mentioned you here. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:04, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Badger Drink

Yes, as I very clearly specified I blocked him not because of the report to WQA, but for his comment there. I strongly disagree with an unblock, and will take this to WP:ANI. Prodego ^talk 23:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

What a completely absurd statement. Enjoy your moment of drama, I've left a remark there and that is all I have to say on the subject. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, that got me to thinking and now I've noticed you have provided three different explanations for the block that, while similar, have important differences [14] and thus I felt obligated to make one more remark at ANI. So, the wiki-boomerang has come back and conked you right in the logic center of your brain. I can only hope this will be the end of this silly little incident and that you will be far more careful when dispensing civility blocks in the future. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:07, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Badger Drink, civility block and unblock by Beeblebrox

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Prodego ^talk 00:03, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Of course Maunus and I would rather not have encountered the dispute and ill feeling, which is why we've both refrained from making further remarks for over a week now. You should know that articles can be the subject of intense conflict where personal interest and time is concerned so bringing it back up over a week later and judging the editors who took part has absolutely no relevance to the AFD as a keep. It is obvious to anybody that it is best NOT to engage in nasty disputes but they are often unavoidable. The fact is that Maunus should have had more tact in the first place in approaching these articles and maybe I should have not shown concern about his tagging of articles without doing any research first?. But the fact you felt you had to berate us for civility and shame came across as highly condescending and inappropriate in the context. With the recent Prodego scenario it also seems you showed him the same condescending tone in your message to him. If a nasty comment or negative comment is ever next to my signature its because there are so many warped things about this website that at times it becomes impossible. I respond to others in a fashion that they respond to myself. Had you simply closed the AFD as a "Keep", Further discussion neede don naming convention. This would have been perfect. But you had to go off on one, hence this aggressive response.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:36, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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Time wasting on RfCs

Hi Beeb. Excellent comment you made here. I can think of a few other places where such a comment would be highly pertinent. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:58, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

FYI

Hi Beeblebrox, because you were involved with the issue concerning my block log I'd like to notify you please about this thread that is going to be presented to AN in 24 hours. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Beeblebrox. Given your involvement on Talk:2005 Ahwazi unrest, I was wondering if you could look into a few possible policy violations happening there. I did set up a request for move/merger at Talk:2005_Ahwazi_unrest#Requested_move per your closing comment on the AFD and subsequent suggestions, but User:Greyshark09 refuses to go along with the due process, and is displaying signs of WP:OWN, by making sweeping blind reverts of 23 of my edits there with an inflammatory edit-summary [15], when almost all my edits were accompanied by a rational/policy citation in the edit summary [16], making personals attacks against me on the talk page [17][18], some of which are based on my perceived nationality [19] (which is a false assumption anyways), and canvassing votes from like-minded editors on the talk page of another article. [20]. He's been warned twice now to AGF and avoid personal attacks[21][22], but he continues with the uncivil accusatory tone. Kurdo777 (talk) 03:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Donna Tubbs for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Donna Tubbs is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donna Tubbs(2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. JJ98 (Talk) 03:29, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Busy?

Hi Beeb. I see you've not been editing a lot for the last few days. Are you very busy in RL? Did you get my mail? Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:45, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Update: Please see this. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

We're short handed at my job, been working all day, every day and haven't had the time or energy to do much here. Should be resolved soon, I'm training some new people this week. And on that note I'm actually running late already. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, not much you can do when RL gets in the way. Do check your mail, and chime in on this as soon as you get a moment. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:50, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

USEPA username discussion follow-up

Hello. I just received word from my employer, the US Environmental Protection Agency, that I am authorized to set up a Wikipedia account and make suggestions to improve content of yours that's related to our regulatory purview. I believe the username for my account is consistent with the majority of comments/suggestions on the username discussion page. You recently closed out that discussion as moot because I didn't contribute further. Sorry...the government moves at a much slower pace than Wikipedia and it took a while to get authorization to set up an account. I just wanted to let you know that I have finally created the account and will begin suggesting edits to some of your content. If you could modify the status of the username discussion from moot to something reflecting the actual consensus of the group, I would appreciate it. Also, if I misinterpretted the consensus and you feel my username is inappropriate, please let me know. Regards, USEPA James (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I think the name you are using now should be ok, but the previous one which implied a group account would not be. In almost every case the community has upheld the longstanding policy that each account represents a single person, even if they are acting on behalf of an organization. It seems like you've put a lot of thought into this and you are endeavoring to balance your office's policies and ours. I am relatively confident that if you continue to act as carefully and transparently as you have thus far you should be able to maintain that balance. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

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